Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt. 8: You're Killing Me Smalls

[sully00]

All this crying about Super Teams. Wtf. The NBA is what it is, nothing new. Move on if you do not like the product.

It ruins the product. Don’t you get that? If the warriors had been healthy you think the raptors win the title? We would be lamenting another warriors championship.

But you want to see them torn down. Obviously Leonard joining LeBron and Davis is pretty scary but there will be drama. LeBron's clock is ticking what happens when he wants roster moves midseason and they tell him there is no juice for a deal?

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[MagicBagley18]

Lakers with Lebron and AD with cap space was inevitable they’d at least get a meeting and a good chance to lock up kawhi. Anyone who thought different was in denial. Straight denial. That being said f the lakers and Lebron

[pac213up]

It ruins the product. Don’t you get that? If the warriors had been healthy you think the raptors win the title? We would be lamenting another warriors championship.

Then stop watching. It is not going to change.

I am watching because i am a basketball fan and i will root for my team but the season is already written in stone. Tell me how you enjoy that? Let me listen to you.

No season is written in stone. Last year it was Boston vs Golden State for the title before the year.....how did that work out. League has always been dominated by 2 or 3 teams for several years at a time. I accept that and embrace the challenge. It is the only way to enjoy the NBA for the last 40 years.

[Celts17Pride]

Bulpett says that the Celtics are not done making changes and that they need big players.

Thanks Steve!

[SmartWentCrazy]

All this crying about Super Teams. Wtf. The NBA is what it is, nothing new. Move on if you do not like the product.

It ruins the product. Don’t you get that? If the warriors had been healthy you think the raptors win the title? We would be lamenting another warriors championship.

But you want to see them torn down. Obviously Leonard joining LeBron and Davis is pretty scary but there will be drama. LeBron's clock is ticking what happens when he wants roster moves midseason and they tell him there is no juice for a deal?

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Disagree man. Superteams arent fun and theres a reason ratings were down last year. Inevitability ruins the reason to watch

[GotDaSauce]

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A few days before the Celtics hit Las Vegas, it’s fair to say Vegas isn’t big on the Celtics.

Not right now anyway, which is the critical point we’ll be examining a few paragraphs down the page.

While Kemba Walker replacing Kyrie Irving might be seen as a gain for the Nets, it could well be a net gain for the Bostonians. But with Al Horford heading to division rival Philadelphia, the odds — understandably still in flux as free agency plays out further — paint a rather drab green picture. Having placed the Celtics last fall at a low of 8-1 to win the 2019 championship, the wise people with the sharpened pencils and crystal balls at Westgate SuperBook now put them at 25-1 to be the last team standing next June.

And even that seems optimistic to some. One athletic accountant of our acquaintance believes the C’s are only rated that highly because of what could happen between now and then and because they’ll still draw some interest at that price.

“(Vegas has the Celtics) at 10th overall, tied with Brooklyn, and Brooklyn doesn’t figure to be able to win anything until (Kevin) Durant gets back,” the source said.

So there you are. Even with the Nets in the “we don’t think they have a chance” category. And, as our guy from the increasingly legal profession notes, the Celtics always do well on the futures market with people from New England and other Shamrock fans visiting Vegas and throwing down tourist money. The Nets are rated there because some looser bettors are simply excited for the Irving-Durant acquisitions and are not properly concerned about the latter’s Achilles injury that could keep him out for 2019-20.

As for the Celtics, it’s still too early to tell how badly they’ve been injured by the loss of Horford to the 76ers, who are third at 10-1 behind the Lakers and Milwaukee. And that’s the point.

The Celtic roster you see today will not be all that you see in the middle of October. The club is not done making moves, and according to teams around the league that we spoke to Monday, the C’s are very active in trying to see what free agents may still shake loose and what kinds of sign-and-trade deals could free up a better chunk of money to attract a large person.


Because of this latter point, the timing of the moves we already know about will have to be sequenced properly to get the maximum benefit — sort of like the crew of Apollo 13 had to work things to have enough power for re-entry.

And if the Celts don’t get this right, you could be looking at a 2019-20 spent in the NBA’s purgatory, which can be hell. Not good enough to compete for a championship; not bad enough to draft high in the lottery and power out of their mediocre orbit.

Getting Kemba Walker was a nice step. He had free agent choices, and selecting the Celtics was validation of the franchise as a destination.

The same can be said of Enes Kanter, who, while not at a level that would attract max-type money, had drawn interest from, among others, the Lakers and Golden State, according to league sources.

Had the Celts been able to find a way to get Walker and keep Horford — which simply wasn’t going to happen — they’d likely have gone into next season with a better outlook than that with which they finished their underachieving 2018-19. Fit and harmony alone would have put them in a stronger position. The expected development of Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown and a healthier Gordon Hayward could have pushed things even further.

Now there is a major question about how the Celtics will be able to defend inside, and it’s an issue the club is no doubt working on as you read. The addition of Kanter for two years at $10 million total is better than it looks. People not entirely familiar with his game will be happy with what he contributes. But there is still a serious need for size.

If you’re a local fan looking for a positive, there is the fact the NBA has not scheduled any regular-season games for the next several weeks. (We checked.)

By the time things count, the odds are strong the Celtics will be different. Whether the changes are good enough to alter the Vegas view is still to be determined.

Trader Danny about to land us the Big KAT!!!

[SmartWentCrazy]

Bulpett says that the Celtics are not done making changes and that they need big players.

Thanks Steve!

Basically Ainge giving us all the “I’m trying Jennifer”

Heard this song and dance many times before. Wont expect anything. If it happens, great, but I’m guessing we “were close on a few real good players” but roll with our current crew.

[WeLikeOurGuys]

Free up a chunk of many to attract a large person. DeMarcus Cousins?

[zoyathedestroya]

The Celtic roster you see today will not be all that you see in the middle of October. The club is not done making moves, and according to teams around the league that we spoke to Monday, the C’s are very active in trying to see what free agents may still shake loose and what kinds of sign-and-trade deals could free up a better chunk of money to attract a large person.

Because of this latter point, the timing of the moves we already know about will have to be sequenced properly to get the maximum benefit — sort of like the crew of Apollo 13 had to work things to have enough power for re-entry.

Exhibit A of what can happen:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1864905

$10.8M is not nothing. That's still bigger than what anyone else can offer if all they have is the MLE. It can be split between two rotation players or used in a trade to acquire a pick like what the Clippers did with Harkless.

Morris could be in play.

[SparringPartner]

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[zoyathedestroya]

Dangercart mocked our hypothetical scenario and clowned us but at least we got our answer lol. Our **** is allowed in the CBA!

[GotDaSauce]

The Celtic roster you see today will not be all that you see in the middle of October. The club is not done making moves, and according to teams around the league that we spoke to Monday, the C’s are very active in trying to see what free agents may still shake loose and what kinds of sign-and-trade deals could free up a better chunk of money to attract a large person.

Because of this latter point, the timing of the moves we already know about will have to be sequenced properly to get the maximum benefit — sort of like the crew of Apollo 13 had to work things to have enough power for re-entry.

Exhibit A of what can happen:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1864905

$11.3M is not nothing. That's still bigger than anyone else can offer if all they have is the MLE. It can be split between two rotation players or used in a trade to acquire a pick like what the Clippers did with Harkless.

Morris could be in play.

Have you tweeted Zarren yet is the question??

[Jakeopp]

I'm done with this league. Kawhi Leonard is a cupcake for signing on to be LeBron's sidekick. Other sports don't have this problem.

[NYCelticsfan136]

All this crying about Super Teams. Wtf. The NBA is what it is, nothing new. Move on if you do not like the product.

It ruins the product. Don’t you get that? If the warriors had been healthy you think the raptors win the title? We would be lamenting another warriors championship.

But you want to see them torn down. Obviously Leonard joining LeBron and Davis is pretty scary but there will be drama. LeBron's clock is ticking what happens when he wants roster moves midseason and they tell him there is no juice for a deal?

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They won’t need roster moves in the mid season because they likely will win 55 to 60 games next season. You will see.

[ZeroTolerance]

A few quotes from a so-called Lakers' "insider."

Kawhi is reportedly pleased that he will have a direct line to Jeanie Buss for any and all situations, as well as the freedom to have personal staff members onboard, similar to LeBron James. Lakers officials, I'm told, have expressed to Kawhi and his camp that they will treat him as a franchise cornerstone and will do everything in their power to ensure he has a long, healthy career as a Los Angeles Laker. They emphasized that given the star power on the roster, Kawhi will have no issues taking nights off as needed, under the supervision of Judy Seto.

LeBron independently expressed that as his career winds down, he is comfortable conceding the spotlight to both Kawhi Leonard and Anthony Davis. He mentioned that after his championship in Cleveland, he's satisfied with his time as the undisputed primary option, and now would like to focus on extending his career to hopefully cross paths with his oldest son.

Best Regards,
Mr. Rambis

Lakers high confidence stems from the fact that they felt the primary holdup was centered around Kawhi's distrust of the front office and the rumored lack of professionalism in organizational operations and structure. At this point, their belief is those concerns, for the most part, have been quelled.

-Mr. Rambis

Their belief is that regardless of any further communication and meetings between the Lakers and Kawhi, Kawhi will allow the Raptors to get the last word in before he makes his decision.

-Mr. Rambis

http://lakersball.com/threads/kawhi-laonard-discussion-%E2%80%9Ci%E2%80%99m-a-fun-guy-%E2%80%9D.3078/page-321

McHale should have hit you harder and in a sweeter spot Mr. Rambis....never liked your glasses either...chicken s-it!

[zoyathedestroya]

The Celtic roster you see today will not be all that you see in the middle of October. The club is not done making moves, and according to teams around the league that we spoke to Monday, the C’s are very active in trying to see what free agents may still shake loose and what kinds of sign-and-trade deals could free up a better chunk of money to attract a large person.

Because of this latter point, the timing of the moves we already know about will have to be sequenced properly to get the maximum benefit — sort of like the crew of Apollo 13 had to work things to have enough power for re-entry.

Exhibit A of what can happen:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1864905

$10.8M is not nothing. That's still bigger than anyone else can offer if all they have is the MLE. It can be split between two rotation players or used in a trade to acquire a pick like what the Clippers did with Harkless.

Morris could be in play.

Have you tweeted Zarren yet is the question??

CSB said it has been tweeted yes. I think Mike Z came up with that salary number for Rozier for a reason. Seems too high if we're being honest. Like what we did with Bogans back in the Pierce trade. It won't be as simple as Celtics absorbing Kemba's salary into our cap space. He intended that number to be that high.

But it's not so high that Mook's cap hold would have to be wiped out.

[NYCelticsfan136]

Then stop watching. It is not going to change.

I am watching because i am a basketball fan and i will root for my team but the season is already written in stone. Tell me how you enjoy that? Let me listen to you.

No season is written in stone. Last year it was Boston vs Golden State for the title before the year.....how did that work out. League has always been dominated by 2 or 3 teams for several years at a time. I accept that and embrace the challenge. It is the only way to enjoy the NBA for the last 40 years.

Are you trying to compare this past season’s celtics team to a team that will have 3 legit superstars? And I mean superstars? We had a team of young guys who we expected would raise their games but didn’t. That’s hogwash! James could average 18 points per game and they will still win 50 plus game.

[reload141]

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I really wish they would stop bouncing the balls so I can actually hear what he's saying.

Where's the subtitled version?!??!

[GregB]

We need to sign a couple legit locker room vets. Our bench is so young and inexperienced.

[djFan71]

Exhibit A of what can happen:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1864905

$11.3M is not nothing. That's still bigger than anyone else can offer if all they have is the MLE. It can be split between two rotation players or used in a trade to acquire a pick like what the Clippers did with Harkless.

Morris could be in play.

Have you tweeted Zarren yet is the question??

CSB said it has been tweeted yes. I think Mike Z came up with that salary number for Rozier for a reason. Seems to high. Like what we did with Bogans back in the Pierce trade. It won't be as simple as Celtics absorbing Kemba's salary into our cap space. He intended that number to be that high.

All hail zarrenthedestoyan!

If you're gonna try to kill our S&T dreams, you better bring a ****load of stakes!