Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

HaroldinGMinor · Post #641 » by **HaroldinGMinor** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 8:54 pm

Did Brogdon have a rift with Bledsoe?

Post #642 » by **Jollay** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 8:56 pm

I love Malcolm but am very satisfied with how we're playing this offseason.

A lot of time to fill out the roster but actually I think we have what we need until the trade deadline.

LuessiT · Post #643 » by **LuessiT** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 8:58 pm

slos wrote:Have to say that I really like IND 2020 FRP. This could be a lottery pick. There is too much injury concern in Brogdon/Dipo backcourt. Also Brog is not a PG and they went from Bogdanovic/Young to Warren...

Milwaukee, Philly, Toronto, Boston, Brooklyn will be in front of Indy. Orlando, Miami and one of Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta can push Indy out of the playoffs pretty easily IMHO.

I could see Indiana get a top 3 seed easily, too. Young, Bogdanovic, Cojo and Collison out for Brogdon, Lamb and Warren. No idea how that shakes out. Also that Turner Sabonis frontcourt might be devastating or unplayable.

raferfenix · Post #644 » by **raferfenix** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 8:59 pm

slos wrote:Have to say that I really like IND 2020 FRP. This could be a lottery pick. There is too much injury concern in Brogdon/Dipo backcourt. Also Brog is not a PG and they went from Bogdanovic/Young to Warren...

Milwaukee, Philly, Toronto, Boston, Brooklyn will be in front of Indy. Orlando, Miami and one of Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta can push Indy out of the playoffs pretty easily IMHO.

Is it confirmed that the pick isn't lottery protected?

Not like the Pacers are some juggernaut. Changes the valuation of it if there is even a small chance of getting into the ping pong ball machine.

Isocleas2 · Post #645 » by **Isocleas2** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:01 pm

slos wrote:Have to say that I really like IND 2020 FRP. This could be a lottery pick. There is too much injury concern in Brogdon/Dipo backcourt. Also Brog is not a PG and they went from Bogdanovic/Young to Warren...

Milwaukee, Philly, Toronto, Boston, Brooklyn will be in front of Indy. Orlando, Miami and one of Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta can push Indy out of the playoffs pretty easily IMHO.

I think indy should be pretty good once Dipo comes back, I think they finish with a #3-5 seed. Philly, Milwaukee and Toronto (if Leonard resigned) are the only teams in the conference who are clearly better.

Iheartfootball · Post #646 » by **Iheartfootball** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 10:22 pm

Maybe the segregation in MKE was a legit reason he wanted out but I can't imagine it weighed too much on his decision. I'll miss the Prez. He was good for the team and city. If it really was the segregation thing I think he could have done more good by sticking with the city. Avoiding a problem solves nothing.

Good luck Malcolm. I hope the Bucks don't regret this.

blazza18 · Post #647 » by **blazza18** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 10:39 pm

Bucksfan28 wrote:Malcolm "no moment is too big/shows up when it really matters" Brogdon with his career playoff averages of 10/4/3 on 43/38/71 shooting. Maybe the Bucks beat Boston last year if he wasn't so abysmal and actually lived up to that reputation.

(Maybe this was the issue all along) The man was just returning from a serious injury. Give him some slack.

Bucksfan28 · Post #648 » by **Bucksfan28** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 10:51 pm

blazza18 wrote:
Bucksfan28 wrote:Malcolm "no moment is too big/shows up when it really matters" Brogdon with his career playoff averages of 10/4/3 on 43/38/71 shooting. Maybe the Bucks beat Boston last year if he wasn't so abysmal and actually lived up to that reputation.

(Maybe this was the issue all along) The man was just returning from a serious injury. Give him some slack.

I mean fine, if you want to give him a pass for that, the point still stands. Can't show up when it matters if you're not even playing, and he's missed significant time right before/during the playoffs for two straight years now. And I like Brog, I wanted him back, but the prop up campaign b/c people are pissed about Mids is overboard.

Bernman · Post #649 » by **Bernman** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 10:54 pm

blazza18 wrote:
Bucksfan28 wrote:Malcolm "no moment is too big/shows up when it really matters" Brogdon with his career playoff averages of 10/4/3 on 43/38/71 shooting. Maybe the Bucks beat Boston last year if he wasn't so abysmal and actually lived up to that reputation.

(Maybe this was the issue all along) The man was just returning from a serious injury. Give him some slack.

Yeah, both years he was just coming back from injury. Not a valid critique. This playoffs he was actually still pretty good - 14/5/3 (45%, 35%) on a minutes limit. Would have killed for that out of everybody in the rotation or even starting unit. Nobody clearly played better. The best in that series were up and down. Brogdon deserves credit for this, not blame, with the caveat.

old skool · Post #650 » by **old skool** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 11:23 pm

The Bucks will likely make multiple roster moves during the season. Two years ago, they moved Greg Monroe for Bledsoe. Last year they moved Dellevedova, Henson and Maker for Hill and Mirotic. I would expect that Horst is thinking ahead with all of these off season moves.

Chuck Diesel · Post #651 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 12:59 am

Where is any of this “Brogdon didn’t like Milwaukee” stuff coming from? It’s all appeared completely out of thin air.

TroyD92 · Post #652 » by **TroyD92** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 1:02 am

HaroldinGMinor wrote:Did Brogdon have a rift with Bledsoe?

Why do you say this ?

emunney · Post #653 » by **emunney** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 1:06 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:Where is any of this “Brogdon didn’t like Milwaukee” stuff coming from? It’s all appeared completely out of thin air.

If you're leaving Milwaukee because of the politics you're not moving to Indianapolis.

SickMother · Post #654 » by **SickMother** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 1:07 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:Where is any of this “Brogdon didn’t like Milwaukee” stuff coming from? It’s all appeared completely out of thin air.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/01/malcolm-brogdon-interview-milwaukee-bucks-nba

SickMother · Post #655 » by **SickMother** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 1:10 am

emunney wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:Where is any of this “Brogdon didn’t like Milwaukee” stuff coming from? It’s all appeared completely out of thin air.

If you're leaving Milwaukee because of the politics you're not moving to Indianapolis.

If Brogdon really wanted out, ideally, he would have gotten a 4/85 offer from a more desirable market from his perspective.

If Indy had the only 4/85 offer & Milwaukee didn't want to match, which they clearly didn't for whatever reason(s), then Malcolm doesn't really have a choice.

LittleRooster · Post #656 » by **LittleRooster** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 1:12 am

SickMother wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:Where is any of this “Brogdon didn’t like Milwaukee” stuff coming from? It’s all appeared completely out of thin air.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/01/malcolm-brogdon-interview-milwaukee-bucks-nba

Quote where he says he doesn’t like Milwaukee. He never says that in this article

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Chuck Diesel · Post #657 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 1:14 am

SickMother wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:Where is any of this “Brogdon didn’t like Milwaukee” stuff coming from? It’s all appeared completely out of thin air.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/01/malcolm-brogdon-interview-milwaukee-bucks-nba

So because he presented the truth of Milwaukee’s segregation and offered hope that could improve with strong leadership, he immediately felt the need to move to Indianapolis? The premise that Brogdon “wanted out” is unsubstantiated gobbledygook to this point.

SickMother · Post #658 » by **SickMother** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 1:17 am

LittleRooster wrote:
SickMother wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:Where is any of this “Brogdon didn’t like Milwaukee” stuff coming from? It’s all appeared completely out of thin air.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/01/malcolm-brogdon-interview-milwaukee-bucks-nba

Quote where he says he doesn’t like Milwaukee. He never says that in this article

Obviously it's all conjecture, but the money quote people are extrapolating from is...

“Not at all. Before I came to Milwaukee I’d heard the city was the most segregated in the country. I’d heard it was racist. When I got here it was extremely segregated. I’ve never lived in a city this segregated. Milwaukee’s very behind in terms of being progressive. There are things that need to change rapidly.”

Sure, he doesn't literally say "I don't like Milwaukee.", but it's also easy to see how someone might not enjoy living in a place they described as such.

SickMother · Post #659 » by **SickMother** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 1:18 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:
SickMother wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:Where is any of this “Brogdon didn’t like Milwaukee” stuff coming from? It’s all appeared completely out of thin air.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/01/malcolm-brogdon-interview-milwaukee-bucks-nba

So because he presented the truth of Milwaukee’s segregation and offered hope that could improve with strong leadership, he immediately felt the need to move to Indianapolis? The premise that Brogdon “wanted out” is unsubstantiated gobbledygook to this point.

What team in a location more desirable than Indy offered 4/85?

AntetokounmBros · Post #660 » by **AntetokounmBros** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 1:18 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:Where is any of this “Brogdon didn’t like Milwaukee” stuff coming from? It’s all appeared completely out of thin air.

Not sure on that, but I've always had the feeling that he wasn't loyal to Milwaukee...can't pinpoint exactly what it is, but I've thought that for at least a couple years. Maybe it's just his personality, but I can't remember him ever saying anything positive about the city or fans outside of the occasional "the fans were great" in postgame interviews.

It's weird, because I usually don't take "gut feelings" that seriously, but my gut told me he was being professional while he was here, but would be more than happy to go somewhere else. Tough to say for sure.