Clippers Acquire Moe Harkless + Future Miami 1st

[TucsonClip]

Does anyone know the protections on that 2023 First Rounder from Miami?

Lotto protected '23-'25. Unprotected '26.

Another asset ready to go for when they need to make a big move.

[Vae Victus]

Hmm

Paying JaMychal Green 11mil vs Moe Harkless 11mil + future MIA FRP

Im very confident some team will pick up Green for the non tax payer MLE (9.8m). He just does too many things you want out of your SF/PF. Depending on protections will dtermine the rating on this trade.

Good odds the Heat goto the playoffs in 2021, Butler should still be good. 2023 is iffy, he's got Thibs miles on his legs, so i can understand why teams are terrified of giving him a 5 year deal. If Butler falls apart in 2023, well with protections it doesnt look like LAC will get it.

This sucks, when the deal fell apart i honestly expected the Clippers to say, "****" swoop in and go grab Butler to use him as enticement for Kawhi to also join. If this was a decision the FO passed on, without at least talking with Butler, i think that's a grave mistake.

[TucsonClip]

Hmm

Paying JaMychal Green 11mil vs Moe Harkless 11mil + future MIA FRP

Im very confident some team will pick up Green for the non tax payer MLE (9.8m). He just does too many things you want out of your SF/PF. Depending on protections will dtermine the rating on this trade.

We have the room exception, not the full MLE.

[QRich3]

Does anyone know the protections on that 2023 First Rounder from Miami?

Lotto protected '23-'25. Unprotected '26.

Another asset ready to go for when they need to make a big move.

That just makes the trade go from great to amazing.

For our team's current make-up, I'd much rather have Harkless on an expiring than Danny Green on a contract you'll regret in two years.

I guess people just remembers Green as a big name cause he's been in the finals and just had a good season, but he's been every bit as inconsistent as Harkless, while he's also 6 years older and 3 inches shorter, with a wingspan 2 inches shorter too. Which makes him play in a position where we already have Shamet, Beverley, Jerome, McGruder and Thornwell. And the only other forward in our roster is Gallo and his brittle health. Harkless not only brings a first rounder and future flexibility, he also fits a lot better.

Also, shout out to the forum members that remember discussing in 2014 how we should've been trying to go for Harkless as the missing piece to the lob city teams. He's finally here

[esqtvd]

Does anyone know the protections on that 2023 First Rounder from Miami?

Lotto protected '23-'25. Unprotected '26.

Another asset ready to go for when they need to make a big move.

That just makes the trade go from great to amazing.

For our team's current make-up, I'd much rather have Harkless on an expiring than Danny Green on a contract you'll regret in two years.

I guess people just remembers Green as a big name cause he's been in the finals and just had a good season, but he's been every bit as inconsistent as Harkless, while he's also 6 years older and 3 inches shorter, with a wingspan 2 inches shorter too. Which makes him play in a position where we already have Shamet, Beverley, Jerome, McGruder and Thornwell. And the only other forward in our roster is Gallo and his brittle health. Harkless not only brings a first rounder and future flexibility, he also fits a lot better.

Also, shout out to the forum members that remember discussing in 2014 how we should've been trying to go for Harkless as the missing piece to the lob city teams. He's finally here

we finally got our Jeff Green

both 6'9"
one makes $11M, the other makes the league minimum

2018-19:

PLAYER A 23.6mpg 7.7ppg 48.7% FG 27.5% 3ptFG 4.5 rpg 1.2 apg
PLAYER B 27.2mpg 12.3ppg 47.5% FG 34.7% 3ptFG 4.0 rpg 1.8 apg

[QRich3]

we finally got our Jeff Green

both 6'9"
one makes $11M, the other makes the league minimum

2018-19:

PLAYER A 23.6mpg 7.7ppg 48.7% FG 27.5% 3ptFG 4.5 rpg 1.2 apg
PLAYER B 27.2mpg 12.3ppg 47.5% FG 34.7% 3ptFG 4.0 rpg 1.8 apg

Only if you look beneath the surface you see who's the selfish unmotivated player that's putting empty numbers and who's the limited player doing what he can to help his team win.

PLAYER A +0.64 RPM +0.8 Multi Year PIPM +5.9 On/Off NetRtg
PLAYER B -0.86 RPM -1.3 Multi Year PIPM +1.4 On/Off NetRtg

It's pretty clear why one guy's pretty much out of the league and the other still has a role and will probably last a contract or two more

You should abandon Jeff Green's hill tbh, he's not worth dying in it. I still maintain the trade was a worthy attempt, but the player himself... he's not worth it.

[TucsonClip]

Nobody should ever want to talk about Jeff Green in the future history of this, or any other NBA forum, ever.

[Ranma]

Does anyone know the protections on that 2023 First Rounder from Miami?

Lotto protected '23-'25. Unprotected '26.

Another asset ready to go for when they need to make a big move.

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[esqtvd]

we finally got our Jeff Green

both 6'9"
one makes $11M, the other makes the league minimum

2018-19:

PLAYER A 23.6mpg 7.7ppg 48.7% FG 27.5% 3ptFG 4.5 rpg 1.2 apg
PLAYER B 27.2mpg 12.3ppg 47.5% FG 34.7% 3ptFG 4.0 rpg 1.8 apg

Only if you look beneath the surface you see who's the selfish unmotivated player that's putting empty numbers and who's the limited player doing what he can to help his team win.

PLAYER A +0.64 RPM +0.8 Multi Year PIPM +5.9 On/Off NetRtg
PLAYER B -0.86 RPM -1.3 Multi Year PIPM +1.4 On/Off NetRtg

It's pretty clear why one guy's pretty much out of the league and the other still has a role and will probably last a contract or two more

You should abandon Jeff Green's hill tbh, he's not worth dying in it. I still maintain the trade was a worthy attempt, but the player himself... he's not worth it.

You misunderstand, Q. If you think Jeff Green sucks donkey balls, the evidence isn't there that Harkless is substantially better. Especially at that price.

PLAYER A 23.6mpg 7.7ppg 48.7% FG 27.5% 3ptFG 4.5 rpg 1.2 apg
PLAYER B 27.2mpg 12.3ppg 47.5% FG 34.7% 3ptFG 4.0 rpg 1.8 apg

And RPM gets a bit problematic--

Robert Covington +2.71
Devin Booker +0.58

That's even a worse hill to die on.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/position/5

[Vae Victus]

After having some more time to think on it.

I think it was a hideous mistake for the Clippers to not focus on Jimmy Butler.

Once KD went down Butler was the natural backup plan as a 2nd star player to pair up with Kawhi. Woo Kawhi, but secure Butler first, using him as a lure. Then if Kawhi comes, S&T Gallo to PHI for Butler, who will do it just to get some assets back. If Kawhi doesnt come, the team still has Butler, Gallo, and a bunch of cap space.

I really think it was gross miscalculation to not go for Butler. I mean MIA of all places, who didnt have cap space, i mean, wtf. He was RIGHT there :/

[Max Headrom]

He went to Miami simply because he loved the way Wade was showered with love and admiration his final season by Miami. He didn't go there to win. If he wanted to win, he would've stayed in Philly.

No need for our front office to make panic moves. If the Clippers go after Jimmy, get him but Kawhi doesn't commit, that's a terrible contract, no thanks...

[esqtvd]

He went to Miami simply because he loved the way Wade was showered with love and admiration his final season by Miami. He didn't go there to win. If he wanted to win, he would've stayed in Philly.

No need for our front office to make panic moves. If the Clippers go after Jimmy, get him but Kawhi doesn't commit, that's a terrible contract, no thanks...

Yah, I'm a Philly boy and they remain my 2nd team. [Clips are my #1 now, but there's seldom any conflict.]

I defended JimmyB before he became a Sixer on a bum rap--it was the Chicago bulls**t and KAT being a dog with the Timberwolves who were at fault. Jimmy wants to win. They didn't.

I also think the Sixers were soft and it was Jimmy Buckets who led them to within a Game 7 buzzer-beater vs the Raptors. And some in the Philly media are saying that the 76ers DID offer him the 5-year max.


All that said, I think the Sixers did well to replace him with Horford and Josh Richardson. And I think the Clippers did well not to sign him at all. And regardless, it looks like Butler had his sights set on Miami anyway, and that was that. I saw the game they're talking about, Dwyane Wade's farewell game. I think Jimmy said, yeah, I think I could dig that.

That and the weather. In January. I lived in Miami for 10 years. Not bad atall atall.

[MartinToVaught]

After having some more time to think on it.

I think it was a hideous mistake for the Clippers to not focus on Jimmy Butler.

Once KD went down Butler was the natural backup plan as a 2nd star player to pair up with Kawhi. Woo Kawhi, but secure Butler first, using him as a lure. Then if Kawhi comes, S&T Gallo to PHI for Butler, who will do it just to get some assets back. If Kawhi doesnt come, the team still has Butler, Gallo, and a bunch of cap space.

I really think it was gross miscalculation to not go for Butler. I mean MIA of all places, who didnt have cap space, i mean, wtf. He was RIGHT there :/

Jimmy wanted Miami and pretty much willed it into existence. Seems like he just wants to pad his stats as The Guy on a middling team with no pressure - despite all his posturing on how he's all about winning and every teammate he's ever had is "soft."

Anyway, it's pretty obvious that all the talk of him teaming up with Kawhi was just media-driven nonsense.

[QRich3]

You misunderstand, Q. If you think Jeff Green sucks donkey balls, the evidence isn't there that Harkless is substantially better. Especially at that price.

PLAYER A 23.6mpg 7.7ppg 48.7% FG 27.5% 3ptFG 4.5 rpg 1.2 apg
PLAYER B 27.2mpg 12.3ppg 47.5% FG 34.7% 3ptFG 4.0 rpg 1.8 apg

And RPM gets a bit problematic--

Robert Covington +2.71
Devin Booker +0.58

That's even a worse hill to die on.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/position/5

Jeff Green does suck donkey balls. The whole league agrees, except you and Wade, I guess.

RPM doesn't work like that, but in any case Robert Covington playing his defined role helps you win a lot more than Devin Booker does in the role he currently plays for the Suns. That's not even a controversial opinion. Scoring a lot doesn't mean you're doing a good job.

Anyway, it's pretty obvious that all the talk of him teaming up with Kawhi was just media-driven nonsense.

I think it was his agent leaking it to tell Philly, look if you don't agree to S&T my client to Miami there's this team with capspace that wants him. I don't think we've ever had any interest in signing him.

[esqtvd]

You misunderstand, Q. If you think Jeff Green sucks donkey balls, the evidence isn't there that Harkless is substantially better. Especially at that price.

PLAYER A 23.6mpg 7.7ppg 48.7% FG 27.5% 3ptFG 4.5 rpg 1.2 apg
PLAYER B 27.2mpg 12.3ppg 47.5% FG 34.7% 3ptFG 4.0 rpg 1.8 apg

And RPM gets a bit problematic--

Robert Covington +2.71
Devin Booker +0.58

That's even a worse hill to die on.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/position/5

Jeff Green does suck donkey balls. The whole league agrees, except you and Wade, I guess.

Unresponsive to the point, Q.

You misunderstand, Q. If you think Jeff Green sucks donkey balls, the evidence isn't there that Harkless is substantially better. Especially at that price.

RPM doesn't work like that, but in any case Robert Covington playing his defined role helps you win a lot more than Devin Booker does in the role he currently plays for the Suns.

I'm much more secure mentioning Moe Harkless in the same breath as Jeff Green since their stats are so close, especially since I was somewhat joking with our Doc Rivers haters. And there are legit numbers to back it up.


Q, do you want to seriously argue that Robert Covington deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Devin Booker?

I'm not feeling you on this one, bro. Floor's yours.

[QRich3]

Yeah, I would vehemently argue that Robert Covington is a player that helps you win a lot more than current Devin Booker. Now if Booker gets to a place with a good support system, with a coach that uses him properly, he's more talented and can be more impactful. Right now, he isn't.

I won't argue it though, cause I'd rather let the Jeff Green stuff die tbh.

[madmaxmedia]

Does anyone know the protections on that 2023 First Rounder from Miami?

Lotto protected '23-'25. Unprotected '26.

Another asset ready to go for when they need to make a big move.

That just makes the trade go from great to amazing.

For our team's current make-up, I'd much rather have Harkless on an expiring than Danny Green on a contract you'll regret in two years.

I guess people just remembers Green as a big name cause he's been in the finals and just had a good season, but he's been every bit as inconsistent as Harkless, while he's also 6 years older and 3 inches shorter, with a wingspan 2 inches shorter too. Which makes him play in a position where we already have Shamet, Beverley, Jerome, McGruder and Thornwell. And the only other forward in our roster is Gallo and his brittle health. Harkless not only brings a first rounder and future flexibility, he also fits a lot better.

Also, shout out to the forum members that remember discussing in 2014 how we should've been trying to go for Harkless as the missing piece to the lob city teams. He's finally here

And we also landed Wilson Chandler last year! Maybe we can sign Mike Miller next.

[Young Sterling]

Did any other Clipper fan get a lil worried when Clips were going against Blazers and you would see Mo Harkless in the starting lineup? I feel like he was that lineup change that that defended the **** out of our forwards and perimeter and made a difference. His advanced stats don't show much tbh, but eye test wise I was always wary about him when going against the Blazers (Maybe he's unstatable lol). At least he's on our side now.

[esqtvd]

Did any other Clipper fan get a lil worried when Clips were going against Blazers and you would see Mo Harkless in the starting lineup? I feel like he was that lineup change that that defended the **** out of our forwards and perimeter and made a difference. His advanced stats don't show much tbh, but eye test wise I was always wary about him when going against the Blazers (Maybe he's unstatable lol). At least he's on our side now.

He had some good games against us 2 years ago but was pretty ordinary last year.

[illastrate]

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