Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell

[vagelis]

I would love to say that I know what's going on...

But, it's really interesting that the only guys we are rumored to be making deals with are all from the warriors. I mean, 40% of NBA players are free agents this year and we are only interested in players from gsw? And when you add the sum of their contracts to Russell's it equals the contracts of teague and roco.

Too much conspiracy for my taste. I really hope I'm wrong though

What's being reported just doesn't add up right now. Nobody is even reporting what we are sending back in the Napier, graham deal. Bell is a restricted fa that warriors have used a lot and they don't want to match a really cheap contract? Especially when their front court is depleted? And he has interest from other teams and he comes here on a cheap deal? Mn doesn't get free agent discounts

I am with DaKid about that.I think something will happen sooner or later.
I think Russel is a bad fit for Warriors.
Warriors need wings and i think they will trade Russel to Wolves or to another team.
I have a fealing that the trade will happen

[jscott]

I would love to say that I know what's going on...

But, it's really interesting that the only guys we are rumored to be making deals with are all from the warriors. I mean, 40% of NBA players are free agents this year and we are only interested in players from gsw? And when you add the sum of their contracts to Russell's it equals the contracts of teague and roco.

Too much conspiracy for my taste. I really hope I'm wrong though

What's being reported just doesn't add up right now. Nobody is even reporting what we are sending back in the Napier, graham deal. Bell is a restricted fa that warriors have used a lot and they don't want to match a really cheap contract? Especially when their front court is depleted? And he has interest from other teams and he comes here on a cheap deal? Mn doesn't get free agent discounts

I don't believe we send back anything for those guys. We got a TPE for some small trade we made last year, that would cover Napier, and Graham makes the vet min so there's nothing to send back on that. He just eliminates a cap hold for us.

[KGdaBom]

Too much conspiracy for my taste. I really hope I'm wrong though

What's being reported just doesn't add up right now. Nobody is even reporting what we are sending back in the Napier, graham deal. Bell is a restricted fa that warriors have used a lot and they don't want to match a really cheap contract? Especially when their front court is depleted? And he has interest from other teams and he comes here on a cheap deal? Mn doesn't get free agent discounts

It adds up as far as I am concerned. Nothing seems odd to me at all. People are grasping at straws. We lost, deal with it. At least we were cut in on the deal when nearly any team could have done what we did to help facilitate.

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A lot of it doesn't make sense. I'm giving at least a dumb and dumber chance that something could be going on.
Being completely honest and I think unbiased if I were the Warriors I would rather have RoCo and Teague then Russell.

[DaKid]

What's being reported just doesn't add up right now. Nobody is even reporting what we are sending back in the Napier, graham deal. Bell is a restricted fa that warriors have used a lot and they don't want to match a really cheap contract? Especially when their front court is depleted? And he has interest from other teams and he comes here on a cheap deal? Mn doesn't get free agent discounts

It adds up as far as I am concerned. Nothing seems odd to me at all. People are grasping at straws. We lost, deal with it. At least we were cut in on the deal when nearly any team could have done what we did to help facilitate.

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A lot of it doesn't make sense. I'm giving at least a dumb and dumber chance that something could be going on.
Being completely honest and I think unbiased if I were the Warriors I would rather have RoCo and Teague then Russell.

Teague's expiring and roco for an aging iggy and 2 frps in the future is a better deal than just getting another all star pg.

I don't buy that gsw did it to trade Russell later when he could get injured or just not play well with Curry. Not worth 2 frps to take that chance imo

[SO_MONEY]

What's being reported just doesn't add up right now. Nobody is even reporting what we are sending back in the Napier, graham deal. Bell is a restricted fa that warriors have used a lot and they don't want to match a really cheap contract? Especially when their front court is depleted? And he has interest from other teams and he comes here on a cheap deal? Mn doesn't get free agent discounts

It adds up as far as I am concerned. Nothing seems odd to me at all. People are grasping at straws. We lost, deal with it. At least we were cut in on the deal when nearly any team could have done what we did to help facilitate.

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A lot of it doesn't make sense. I'm giving at least a dumb and dumber chance that something could be going on.
Being completely honest and I think unbiased if I were the Warriors I would rather have RoCo and Teague then Russell.

What doesn't make sense? It all makes sense to me. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. People just don't like we failed, I get that, but nothing odd is going on.

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[KGdaBom]

It adds up as far as I am concerned. Nothing seems odd to me at all. People are grasping at straws. We lost, deal with it. At least we were cut in on the deal when nearly any team could have done what we did to help facilitate.

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A lot of it doesn't make sense. I'm giving at least a dumb and dumber chance that something could be going on.
Being completely honest and I think unbiased if I were the Warriors I would rather have RoCo and Teague then Russell.

Teague's expiring and roco for an aging iggy and 2 frps in the future is a better deal than just getting another all star pg.

I don't buy that gsw did it to trade Russell later when he could get injured or just not play well with Curry. Not worth 2 frps to take that chance imo

I once again am very confident it won't happen. However, it would sure make a lot of sense.

[KGdaBom]

It adds up as far as I am concerned. Nothing seems odd to me at all. People are grasping at straws. We lost, deal with it. At least we were cut in on the deal when nearly any team could have done what we did to help facilitate.

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A lot of it doesn't make sense. I'm giving at least a dumb and dumber chance that something could be going on.
Being completely honest and I think unbiased if I were the Warriors I would rather have RoCo and Teague then Russell.

What doesn't make sense? It all makes sense to me. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. People just don't like we failed, I get that, but nothing odd is going on.

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There are 29 teams we could be raiding or trading with. So far the Wolves have acquired 3 players and they are all from the Warriors. You don't find that odd at all. I'm like you. I don't believe anything will happen. But to completely deny that anything strange is afoot is also burying your head in the sand.

[Slim Tubby]

I'm going to take the pessimistic approach and say it's not happening with Russell. With that said, I do find it quite strange that we haven't heard a peep from GS or Russell regarding the trade, at least not that I've seen.

[shrink]

Even if you like Russell, why do people think Russell, at $29 mil a year for four years, he is a positive value contract?

[DaKid]

A lot of it doesn't make sense. I'm giving at least a dumb and dumber chance that something could be going on.
Being completely honest and I think unbiased if I were the Warriors I would rather have RoCo and Teague then Russell.

What doesn't make sense? It all makes sense to me. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. People just don't like we failed, I get that, but nothing odd is going on.

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There are 29 teams we could be raiding or trading with. So far the Wolves have acquired 3 players and they are all from the Warriors. You don't find that odd at all. I'm like you. I don't believe anything will happen. But to completely deny that anything strange is afoot is also burying your head in the sand.

Exactly... And the fact that there are questions left unanswered about how we obtained said players is odd as well.

Why are we a 3rd team taking on cash and non-guaranteed contracts from the nets without giving anything back?

Why is bell coming here on an extremely cheap contract when he has other options including the warriors who still need him?

Why are the warriors giving up 2 frps and Iggy to take on Russell's max contract when they have 2 other backcourt Hof players on max contracts?

[Slim Tubby]

Even if you like Russell, why do people think Russell, at $29 mil a year for four years, he is a positive value contract?

I won't speak for others but I agree with all of your posts regarding Russell not being worth a Max. I'm open to the trade because his addition would please KAT and keep him complacent. That's probably a crappy reason, though.


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[DaKid]

Even if you like Russell, why do people think Russell, at $29 mil a year for four years, he is a positive value contract?

Because he is a young, very good pg that is only 23 and will fit great with towns

[shangrila]

A lot of it doesn't make sense. I'm giving at least a dumb and dumber chance that something could be going on.
Being completely honest and I think unbiased if I were the Warriors I would rather have RoCo and Teague then Russell.

What doesn't make sense? It all makes sense to me. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. People just don't like we failed, I get that, but nothing odd is going on.

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There are 29 teams we could be raiding or trading with. So far the Wolves have acquired 3 players and they are all from the Warriors. You don't find that odd at all. I'm like you. I don't believe anything will happen. But to completely deny that anything strange is afoot is also burying your head in the sand.

People are looking at it the wrong way. It makes far more sense to believe we acquired Napier/Graham in order to get Bell's QO rescinded than as some sort of grand conspiracy to re-route Russell here (which I'm pretty sure is illegal, btw).

We didn't get Russell, it happens. Time to move on.

[DaKid]

Also is very odd that towns posted the loading image after the meeting. He was in the meeting! If DLo left not acting as if he's sure about coming here, Kat wouldn't have posted that. Kat had to have left that meeting thinking that DLo was coming here.

I realize the post was deleted but until it's finalized, wolves wouldn't want him posting it either way

[DaKid]

What doesn't make sense? It all makes sense to me. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. People just don't like we failed, I get that, but nothing odd is going on.

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There are 29 teams we could be raiding or trading with. So far the Wolves have acquired 3 players and they are all from the Warriors. You don't find that odd at all. I'm like you. I don't believe anything will happen. But to completely deny that anything strange is afoot is also burying your head in the sand.

People are looking at it the wrong way. It makes far more sense to believe we acquired Napier/Graham in order to get Bell's QO rescinded than as some sort of grand conspiracy to re-route Russell here (which I'm pretty sure is illegal, btw).

We didn't get Russell, it happens. Time to move on.

Why would they give us cash with two non-guaranteed contracts to do us a favor of allowing us to sign Bell? That is a lose-lose for them. We didn't do them a favor by taking cash and 2 non-guaranteed contracts

[Klomp]

I'm going to take the pessimistic approach and say it's not happening with Russell. With that said, I do find it quite strange that we haven't heard a peep from GS or Russell regarding the trade, at least not that I've seen.

Still in the moratorium

[shangrila]

There are 29 teams we could be raiding or trading with. So far the Wolves have acquired 3 players and they are all from the Warriors. You don't find that odd at all. I'm like you. I don't believe anything will happen. But to completely deny that anything strange is afoot is also burying your head in the sand.

People are looking at it the wrong way. It makes far more sense to believe we acquired Napier/Graham in order to get Bell's QO rescinded than as some sort of grand conspiracy to re-route Russell here (which I'm pretty sure is illegal, btw).

We didn't get Russell, it happens. Time to move on.

Why would they give us cash with two non-guaranteed contracts to do us a favor of allowing us to sign Bell? That is a lose-lose for them. We didn't do them a favor by taking cash and 2 non-guaranteed contracts

I thought I read there was small guarantees on them. Could be wrong, but if that were true it makes sense as they'd be paying lux for dead salary if they waived them. And if that's not true it could have had something to do with the hard cap triggering or something. I don't know, I'm no CBA expert.

But it's a lot more plausible that these two deals, done at almost the same time, are related then that we're somehow going to pull off a trade for Russell which, as I mentioned, I'm pretty sure would be illegal. You can't sign a FA and immediately flip him, why would that be different for a S&T?

Just move on dude. We lost out on Russell, it sucks but you've got to deal with it.

[DaKid]

People are looking at it the wrong way. It makes far more sense to believe we acquired Napier/Graham in order to get Bell's QO rescinded than as some sort of grand conspiracy to re-route Russell here (which I'm pretty sure is illegal, btw).

We didn't get Russell, it happens. Time to move on.

Why would they give us cash with two non-guaranteed contracts to do us a favor of allowing us to sign Bell? That is a lose-lose for them. We didn't do them a favor by taking cash and 2 non-guaranteed contracts

I thought I read there was small guarantees on them. Could be wrong, but if that were true it makes sense as they'd be paying lux for dead salary if they waived them. And if that's not true it could have had something to do with the hard cap triggering or something. I don't know, I'm no CBA expert.

But it's a lot more plausible that these two deals, done at almost the same time, are related then that we're somehow going to pull off a trade for Russell which, as I mentioned, I'm pretty sure would be illegal. You can't sign a FA and immediately flip him, why would that be different for a S&T?

Just move on dude. We lost out on Russell, it sucks but you've got to deal with it.

It's not illegal as the Russell deal isn't official. Nothing can be done with or without us until the 6th. The warriors would just be our 3rd team in one deal

Warriors in
Teague (expiring)
Roco

Wolves in
Russell
Napier
Graham

Nets in
Warriors frp

[Klomp]

Unless there's just been a 100% leak of misinformation about the transaction, Russell isn't coming here no matter what fishy things people may think have transpired.

The sign-and-trade rule allows teams to re-sign their own free agents for trading purposes. Under this rule the player is re-signed and immediately traded to another team. This is done by adding a clause to the contract stipulating that the contract is null and void if the trade to the specific team is not completed within 48 hours. A sign-and-trade is treated like a single, atomic transaction, and not two separate transactions between which one party can change its mind -- if the trade is not completed, then the signing is invalidated. (Note: the 48 hours cannot start during the moratorium)

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q92

[Killboard]

People are looking at it the wrong way. It makes far more sense to believe we acquired Napier/Graham in order to get Bell's QO rescinded than as some sort of grand conspiracy to re-route Russell here (which I'm pretty sure is illegal, btw).

We didn't get Russell, it happens. Time to move on.

Why would they give us cash with two non-guaranteed contracts to do us a favor of allowing us to sign Bell? That is a lose-lose for them. We didn't do them a favor by taking cash and 2 non-guaranteed contracts

I thought I read there was small guarantees on them. Could be wrong, but if that were true it makes sense as they'd be paying lux for dead salary if they waived them. And if that's not true it could have had something to do with the hard cap triggering or something. I don't know, I'm no CBA expert.

But it's a lot more plausible that these two deals, done at almost the same time, are related then that we're somehow going to pull off a trade for Russell which, as I mentioned, I'm pretty sure would be illegal. You can't sign a FA and immediately flip him, why would that be different for a S&T?
Just move on dude. We lost out on Russell, it sucks but you've got to deal with it.

It doesnt make sense to have high hopes. Things were simpler and didnt happened. Still, its very strange and not usual what happened after Dlo signed with them. Maybe it happens maybe it doesnt. People tries to live with certainty when most of them are illusions and this work both ways.

What Im sure about is that we still having money to spend on the MLE to give and there is a lot of useful players out there.