Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread

[deneem4]

I’m sure we signed ish cause he plays something like wall offensively and didn’t want to have to adjust the team gameplan when wall comes back

[bsilver]

Lakers are going to clean up on vet minimum guys. Noah Vonleh got the minimum, so did Cauley-Stein. The money is drying up. I think Parker is waiting on the Lakers to see what they do because they're really the only team left that has to fill roster spots and has money.

The Clippers if they don't get Leonard are a possibility.

I'm sure Parker is hoping to get more than the 9M we could pay, but he could end up in the situation where all the big money available has been spent. Then he is better off taking a 1 year contract and proving himself worth bigger money.

Parker and Satoransky were my favorite Wiz players last year. I really don't see any reason yet to follow this team.

[gtn130]

Jake Layman would be my #1 choice among the minimum guys

Why will he be available at the minimum? He played very well last year; he is restricted; Portland's got smart management. I think they'll wind up keeping him.

I don't know what his market is, but I assume since he hasn't signed yet that he isn't getting the money he wants. I imagine if someone offered him 3/$25m he'd be off the market by now. I really don't know, though. I just think he was pretty good last year.

[nate33]

Jake Layman would be my #1 choice among the minimum guys

Why will he be available at the minimum? He played very well last year; he is restricted; Portland's got smart management. I think they'll wind up keeping him.

I don't know what his market is, but I assume since he hasn't signed yet that he isn't getting the money he wants. I imagine if someone offered him 3/$25m he'd be off the market by now. I really don't know, though. I just think he was pretty good last year.

I agree. If he is available for something less than $8M per year, I'd try and sign him - hopefully to a 2+1 deal. If he continues to play like he did for 25 games here, he will become an asset at that price.

[Dat2U]

My top remaining free agent options:

1. Delon Wright. Easily the best young piece remaining. I'd even consider the S&T route giving up some of those 2nds we just acquired if it would help.

2. PF Jake Layman. He's the best young F available IMO. Not the ideal 3 pt shooter you want and he may get overpowered at the 4 but his finishing skill, ability to move with out the ball and general effort are good.

3. SF Kelly Oubre. He ain't coming back but it's crazy we couldn't even get a couple of 2nds for Kelly because of Ernie's incompetence.

4. PG Tyus Jones. Rock solid backup PG who can run an offense and defend.

5. C Khem Birch. Best backup C option available considering age & price. A good energy guy to have on the team.

6. PF Rondae Hollis-Jefferson. Can't hit the broad side of a barn but worth a look.

7. PG T.J. McConnell. It would have been far smarter to give McConnell $12 mil as opposed to Ish Smith.

8. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. Can soak up minutes at the 2/3 with generally spotty but not terrible play.

9. Iman Shumpert. See KCP but just a slight notch worse.

10. Jabari Parker. If you want the kids to learn about spotty effort, indifferent attitude and playing non-chalant D, then Jabari is your guy!

[Rainwater]

I am just being honest here but they are fully rebuilding. They are currently building this team with scraps and and young guys. This might be a 3 to 4 year process until the Wiz compete again. I just don't see the Wiz wasting cash on another guy when they aren't winning and by the time they are ready to compete Beal will be 29, 30. And I don't think Beal wants waste his prime not completing. That is just me.

Call it what you want. But I think we need to get out of this mindset that you are either competing or you are tanking for years and years to land high picks until you build a base of talent and then you try and compete again. With the exception of Philly, nearly all of the currently good teams did not spend years and years in the lottery in a long term rebuilding strategy. They maybe dipped into the mid-to-late lottery once and then, through smart and steady improvement, got better and better.

• Boston traded the vets for picks and never had to bottom out.
• Toronto had no high picks on their roster.
• Milwaukee had one trip to the top of the lottery and got Jabari Parker. The built their team with smart late picks.
• Indiana got Paul George in the late lottery and later Miles Turner. They never picked below 10th.
• Portland got Dame with the 6th pick and McCollum with the 10th and never looked back
• Denver struck out with Mudiay at 7th and picked Murray at 7th, all their other good players were picked late.
• In Utah's one trip to the high lottery, they got Exum. They're good because they found Mitchell, Ingles and Gobert late.
• Houston hasn't had a top 7 pick since Yao Ming in 2002.
• San Antonio hasn't had a lotto pick since Tim Duncan.
• Brooklyn built this team with no high picks because they traded them all to Boston.

Most of the teams that have tried to tank and rebuild over multiple years have failed: Phoenix, New York, Orlando, Lakers. Among the good teams, only Philly, OKC and arguably Golden State had any type of "rebuild" where they intentionally sucked for multiple years in an effort to accumulate talent. And Philly is showing the folly of that strategy. Brand has already traded away most of the fruits of their trips to the lottery. It's just Simmons, Embiid and some highly overpaid free agents now. They're going to be a luxtax team with no depth, and probably still won't win.

The way to get good is consistency. Draft wisely, don't overpay free agents, trade money for more picks when you have the chance, avoid losing assets for nothing, develop your talent. You don't need to tank. And with the current rule change for the lottery, tanking is even less useful.

I feel like the Wizards are doing things the right way now. Sheppard is maximizing all of his assets. He's using TPE's to get picks and young guys (Lakers trade, Simmons trade). He isn't overpaying for free agents (well, maybe Ish Smith, but that's only a 2-year deal). They're not squandering assets (turning Sato into future 2nd rounders instead of letting him go for nothing). They're developing home grown talent (Bryant).

I think they will take the opportunity of Wall's injury to tank one year while developing their young players, but I really think they will be on a steady upward trend after that. The one thing they need to get right is drafting well. We won't know how that's going until next season plays out. If Brown and Hachimura develop into legit starting caliber players, they'll have their starting 5 in place as soon as 2020: Wall, Beal, Brown, Hachimura, Bryant, plus a high lotto pick from the 2020 draft.

I really disagree agree with your portrayal of some of these rebuilds. A lot of them were longer then you think especially in the case of Tor, Mil, Utah, Houston, Denver, and Brooklyn. I was going to provide some context for each team but it was taking a while, lol. A rebuild typically takes 3 to 4 years. Yes, there are exceptions like Ind, boston and SA but I believe that Washington's rebuild, especially with the lack of talent, will be more of the norm. I just can't believe Beal would stay for this.

[nate33]

I am just being honest here but they are fully rebuilding. They are currently building this team with scraps and and young guys. This might be a 3 to 4 year process until the Wiz compete again. I just don't see the Wiz wasting cash on another guy when they aren't winning and by the time they are ready to compete Beal will be 29, 30. And I don't think Beal wants waste his prime not completing. That is just me.

Call it what you want. But I think we need to get out of this mindset that you are either competing or you are tanking for years and years to land high picks until you build a base of talent and then you try and compete again. With the exception of Philly, nearly all of the currently good teams did not spend years and years in the lottery in a long term rebuilding strategy. They maybe dipped into the mid-to-late lottery once and then, through smart and steady improvement, got better and better.

• Boston traded the vets for picks and never had to bottom out.
• Toronto had no high picks on their roster.
• Milwaukee had one trip to the top of the lottery and got Jabari Parker. The built their team with smart late picks.
• Indiana got Paul George in the late lottery and later Miles Turner. They never picked below 10th.
• Portland got Dame with the 6th pick and McCollum with the 10th and never looked back
• Denver struck out with Mudiay at 7th and picked Murray at 7th, all their other good players were picked late.
• In Utah's one trip to the high lottery, they got Exum. They're good because they found Mitchell, Ingles and Gobert late.
• Houston hasn't had a top 7 pick since Yao Ming in 2002.
• San Antonio hasn't had a lotto pick since Tim Duncan.
• Brooklyn built this team with no high picks because they traded them all to Boston.

Most of the teams that have tried to tank and rebuild over multiple years have failed: Phoenix, New York, Orlando, Lakers. Among the good teams, only Philly, OKC and arguably Golden State had any type of "rebuild" where they intentionally sucked for multiple years in an effort to accumulate talent. And Philly is showing the folly of that strategy. Brand has already traded away most of the fruits of their trips to the lottery. It's just Simmons, Embiid and some highly overpaid free agents now. They're going to be a luxtax team with no depth, and probably still won't win.

The way to get good is consistency. Draft wisely, don't overpay free agents, trade money for more picks when you have the chance, avoid losing assets for nothing, develop your talent. You don't need to tank. And with the current rule change for the lottery, tanking is even less useful.

I feel like the Wizards are doing things the right way now. Sheppard is maximizing all of his assets. He's using TPE's to get picks and young guys (Lakers trade, Simmons trade). He isn't overpaying for free agents (well, maybe Ish Smith, but that's only a 2-year deal). They're not squandering assets (turning Sato into future 2nd rounders instead of letting him go for nothing). They're developing home grown talent (Bryant).

I think they will take the opportunity of Wall's injury to tank one year while developing their young players, but I really think they will be on a steady upward trend after that. The one thing they need to get right is drafting well. We won't know how that's going until next season plays out. If Brown and Hachimura develop into legit starting caliber players, they'll have their starting 5 in place as soon as 2020: Wall, Beal, Brown, Hachimura, Bryant, plus a high lotto pick from the 2020 draft.

I really disagree agree with your portrayal of some of these rebuilds. A lot of them were longer then you think especially in the case of Tor, Mil, Utah, Houston, Denver, and Brooklyn. I was going to provide some context for each team but it was taking a while, lol. A rebuild typically takes 3 to 4 years. Yes, there are exceptions like Ind, boston and SA but I believe that Washington's rebuild, especially with the lack of talent, will be more of the norm. I just can't believe Beal would stay for this.

A 3 year rebuild is fine. Last year was the first year (we tanked hard at the end and finished with the 6th seed). This year is Year 2 and we will surely tank. Next year, we will try and win but probably will have limited success. Remember, unlike other teams that make brief trips to the lottery, we will be getting Wall back to assist us in leaving lottery land.

If we start off the 2020-21 season slow but then play above .500 ball over the last 3 months and finish with, say, 39-wins and just miss the playoffs, I think that will be enough to encourage Beal. We would be a young team on the upswing - about how Sacramento feels right now.

[Rainwater]

Call it what you want. But I think we need to get out of this mindset that you are either competing or you are tanking for years and years to land high picks until you build a base of talent and then you try and compete again. With the exception of Philly, nearly all of the currently good teams did not spend years and years in the lottery in a long term rebuilding strategy. They maybe dipped into the mid-to-late lottery once and then, through smart and steady improvement, got better and better.

• Boston traded the vets for picks and never had to bottom out.
• Toronto had no high picks on their roster.
• Milwaukee had one trip to the top of the lottery and got Jabari Parker. The built their team with smart late picks.
• Indiana got Paul George in the late lottery and later Miles Turner. They never picked below 10th.
• Portland got Dame with the 6th pick and McCollum with the 10th and never looked back
• Denver struck out with Mudiay at 7th and picked Murray at 7th, all their other good players were picked late.
• In Utah's one trip to the high lottery, they got Exum. They're good because they found Mitchell, Ingles and Gobert late.
• Houston hasn't had a top 7 pick since Yao Ming in 2002.
• San Antonio hasn't had a lotto pick since Tim Duncan.
• Brooklyn built this team with no high picks because they traded them all to Boston.

Most of the teams that have tried to tank and rebuild over multiple years have failed: Phoenix, New York, Orlando, Lakers. Among the good teams, only Philly, OKC and arguably Golden State had any type of "rebuild" where they intentionally sucked for multiple years in an effort to accumulate talent. And Philly is showing the folly of that strategy. Brand has already traded away most of the fruits of their trips to the lottery. It's just Simmons, Embiid and some highly overpaid free agents now. They're going to be a luxtax team with no depth, and probably still won't win.

The way to get good is consistency. Draft wisely, don't overpay free agents, trade money for more picks when you have the chance, avoid losing assets for nothing, develop your talent. You don't need to tank. And with the current rule change for the lottery, tanking is even less useful.

I feel like the Wizards are doing things the right way now. Sheppard is maximizing all of his assets. He's using TPE's to get picks and young guys (Lakers trade, Simmons trade). He isn't overpaying for free agents (well, maybe Ish Smith, but that's only a 2-year deal). They're not squandering assets (turning Sato into future 2nd rounders instead of letting him go for nothing). They're developing home grown talent (Bryant).

I think they will take the opportunity of Wall's injury to tank one year while developing their young players, but I really think they will be on a steady upward trend after that. The one thing they need to get right is drafting well. We won't know how that's going until next season plays out. If Brown and Hachimura develop into legit starting caliber players, they'll have their starting 5 in place as soon as 2020: Wall, Beal, Brown, Hachimura, Bryant, plus a high lotto pick from the 2020 draft.

I really disagree agree with your portrayal of some of these rebuilds. A lot of them were longer then you think especially in the case of Tor, Mil, Utah, Houston, Denver, and Brooklyn. I was going to provide some context for each team but it was taking a while, lol. A rebuild typically takes 3 to 4 years. Yes, there are exceptions like Ind, boston and SA but I believe that Washington's rebuild, especially with the lack of talent, will be more of the norm. I just can't believe Beal would stay for this.

A 3 year rebuild is fine. Last year was the first year (we tanked hard at the end and finished with the 6th seed). This year is Year 2 and we will surely tank. Next year, we will try and win but probably will have limited success. Remember, unlike other teams that make brief trips to the lottery, we will be getting Wall back to assist us in leaving lottery land.

If we start off the 2020-21 season slow but then play above .500 ball over the last 3 months and finish with, say, 39-wins and just miss the playoffs, I think that will be enough to encourage Beal. We would be a young team on the upswing - about how Sacramento feels right now.

You have more faith than I do about how easy this is going to be. Mind you Sacramento has been rebuilding for a decade now just to get where they currently are and, while promising, still haven't made the playoffs.

[payitforward]

Why will he be available at the minimum? He played very well last year; he is restricted; Portland's got smart management. I think they'll wind up keeping him.

I don't know what his market is, but I assume since he hasn't signed yet that he isn't getting the money he wants. I imagine if someone offered him 3/$25m he'd be off the market by now. I really don't know, though. I just think he was pretty good last year.

I agree. If he is available for something less than $8M per year, I'd try and sign him - hopefully to a 2+1 deal. If he continues to play like he did for 25 games here, he will become an asset at that price.

Jabari Parker's 682 minute run for us was the best stretch of play by him in his 5-year career. Unfortunately, that's not saying much: I can't see that level of production as a bargain at $8m.

But, if it's an indication that he will improve this year, then -- depending how much he improves -- your $8m/2+1 year deal could turn out to be an excellent move, or at least an ok one.

Somehow with Parker it always comes down to the same thing -- a roll of the dice & the question whether one wants to take that chance. At $5m or less, I wouldn't think twice; I'd do it.

Truth is, I still think (& hope) the Lakers sign him. Especially for him, in that somehow I imagine a dominant & disciplined authority figure like LeBron making a positive difference for Jabari.

[payitforward]

I really disagree agree with your portrayal of some of these rebuilds. A lot of them were longer then you think especially in the case of Tor, Mil, Utah, Houston, Denver, and Brooklyn. I was going to provide some context for each team but it was taking a while, lol. A rebuild typically takes 3 to 4 years. Yes, there are exceptions like Ind, boston and SA but I believe that Washington's rebuild, especially with the lack of talent, will be more of the norm. I just can't believe Beal would stay for this.

A 3 year rebuild is fine. Last year was the first year (we tanked hard at the end and finished with the 6th seed). This year is Year 2 and we will surely tank. Next year, we will try and win but probably will have limited success. Remember, unlike other teams that make brief trips to the lottery, we will be getting Wall back to assist us in leaving lottery land.

If we start off the 2020-21 season slow but then play above .500 ball over the last 3 months and finish with, say, 39-wins and just miss the playoffs, I think that will be enough to encourage Beal. We would be a young team on the upswing - about how Sacramento feels right now.

You have more faith than I do about how easy this is going to be. Mind you Sacramento has been rebuilding for a decade now just to get where they currently are and, while promising, still haven't made the playoffs.

What's the alternative to optimism right now? It's a process, & no one can actually know how it's going to turn out. But, at least we've put the Ernie era behind us, at least we've made some decisive moves, at least we know what we need to do & aren't fooling ourselves.

Will we need some luck? Sure!! In that sense, realism tempers optimism. But... there is no point in being pessimistic, is there?

[Rainwater]

A 3 year rebuild is fine. Last year was the first year (we tanked hard at the end and finished with the 6th seed). This year is Year 2 and we will surely tank. Next year, we will try and win but probably will have limited success. Remember, unlike other teams that make brief trips to the lottery, we will be getting Wall back to assist us in leaving lottery land.

If we start off the 2020-21 season slow but then play above .500 ball over the last 3 months and finish with, say, 39-wins and just miss the playoffs, I think that will be enough to encourage Beal. We would be a young team on the upswing - about how Sacramento feels right now.

You have more faith than I do about how easy this is going to be. Mind you Sacramento has been rebuilding for a decade now just to get where they currently are and, while promising, still haven't made the playoffs.

What's the alternative to optimism right now? It's a process, & no one can actually know how it's going to turn out. But, at least we've put the Ernie era behind us, at least we've made some decisive moves, at least we know what we need to do & aren't fooling ourselves.

Will we need some luck? Sure!! In that sense, realism tempers optimism. But... there is no point in being pessimistic, is there?

No one said be pessimistic, I just don't agree with how quickly this team is going to be competitive going forward. Rebuilding is part of NBA life.

[Rainwater]

Jake Layman would be my #1 choice among the minimum guys

Why will he be available at the minimum? He played very well last year; he is restricted; Portland's got smart management. I think they'll wind up keeping him.

I don't know what his market is, but I assume since he hasn't signed yet that he isn't getting the money he wants. I imagine if someone offered him 3/$25m he'd be off the market by now. I really don't know, though. I just think he was pretty good last year.

I feel like Jabari won't sign anywhere until Leonard does. I feel like he will be a plan b for some other teams.

[FAH1223]

My top remaining free agent options:

1. Delon Wright. Easily the best young piece remaining. I'd even consider the S&T route giving up some of those 2nds we just acquired if it would help.

2. PF Jake Layman. He's the best young F available IMO. Not the ideal 3 pt shooter you want and he may get overpowered at the 4 but his finishing skill, ability to move with out the ball and general effort are good.

3. SF Kelly Oubre. He ain't coming back but it's crazy we couldn't even get a couple of 2nds for Kelly because of Ernie's incompetence.

4. PG Tyus Jones. Rock solid backup PG who can run an offense and defend.

5. C Khem Birch. Best backup C option available considering age & price. A good energy guy to have on the team.

6. PF Rondae Hollis-Jefferson. Can't hit the broad side of a barn but worth a look.

7. PG T.J. McConnell. It would have been far smarter to give McConnell $12 mil as opposed to Ish Smith.

8. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. Can soak up minutes at the 2/3 with generally spotty but not terrible play.

9. Iman Shumpert. See KCP but just a slight notch worse.

10. Jabari Parker. If you want the kids to learn about spotty effort, indifferent attitude and playing non-chalant D, then Jabari is your guy!

JayMychal Green? Though he might be more expensive. Clippers have his bird rights...

[Dat2U]

My top remaining free agent options:

1. Delon Wright. Easily the best young piece remaining. I'd even consider the S&T route giving up some of those 2nds we just acquired if it would help.

2. PF Jake Layman. He's the best young F available IMO. Not the ideal 3 pt shooter you want and he may get overpowered at the 4 but his finishing skill, ability to move with out the ball and general effort are good.

3. SF Kelly Oubre. He ain't coming back but it's crazy we couldn't even get a couple of 2nds for Kelly because of Ernie's incompetence.

4. PG Tyus Jones. Rock solid backup PG who can run an offense and defend.

5. C Khem Birch. Best backup C option available considering age & price. A good energy guy to have on the team.

6. PF Rondae Hollis-Jefferson. Can't hit the broad side of a barn but worth a look.

7. PG T.J. McConnell. It would have been far smarter to give McConnell $12 mil as opposed to Ish Smith.

8. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. Can soak up minutes at the 2/3 with generally spotty but not terrible play.

9. Iman Shumpert. See KCP but just a slight notch worse.

10. Jabari Parker. If you want the kids to learn about spotty effort, indifferent attitude and playing non-chalant D, then Jabari is your guy!

JayMychal Green? Though he might be more expensive. Clippers have his bird rights...

I don't like his advanced numbers. I know he looked good at small ball C in the playoffs but he's been consistently a negative at the 4 spot.

[dckingsfan]

So is this where we officially sit?

Smith/Thomas/
Beal/Brown
??
Hachimura
Bryant/Howard/Mahimni

Wall - hopefully won't play this season
Some of:

Moe Wagner
Isaac Bonga
Jemerrio Jones
Admiral Schofield

[Gig18]

So is this where we officially sit?

Smith/Thomas/
Beal/Brown
??
Hachimura
Bryant/Howard/Mahimni

Wall - hopefully won't play this season
Some of:

Moe Wagner
Isaac Bonga
Jemerrio Jones
Admiral Schofield

I think Bonga's playing in the G league, the video I saw suggested he's not ready yet ...

[payitforward]

You have more faith than I do about how easy this is going to be. Mind you Sacramento has been rebuilding for a decade now just to get where they currently are and, while promising, still haven't made the playoffs.

What's the alternative to optimism right now? It's a process, & no one can actually know how it's going to turn out. But, at least we've put the Ernie era behind us, at least we've made some decisive moves, at least we know what we need to do & aren't fooling ourselves.

Will we need some luck? Sure!! In that sense, realism tempers optimism. But... there is no point in being pessimistic, is there?

No one said be pessimistic, I just don't agree with how quickly this team is going to be competitive going forward. Rebuilding is part of NBA life.

Well... in that case, we agree!

[youngWizzy]

I would try to get Layman first. If we can't get him I would also look into going after Justin Holiday.

[Dat2U]

I would try to get Layman first. If we can't get him I would also look into going after Justin Holiday.

Read on Twitter

Rojas is doing work in Minny.

I would have jumped all over that deal.



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[SUPERBALLMAN]

I would try to get Layman first. If we can't get him I would also look into going after Justin Holiday.

Read on Twitter

Rojas is doing work in Minny.

I would have jumped all over that deal.



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Oh well.

Another one bites the dust.