Sign & Trade Won't Die \ Cap Thread

[djFan71]

But that open space doesn't help to take much more money back in Walker trade. It needs to be used now somehow and then Rozier + Baynes + Yabs out for salary matching in Walker trade.

Yep. Thanks for pointing out the 24th pick hold.
It appears we can't bring in any more salary from the Hornets. MKG is out.
Find some other way to use the $9M of cap space.

How so? My numbers (above) he still fits if you can combine the $9M.

ETA: cuz I suck at math....

[djFan71]

But that open space doesn't help to take much more money back in Walker trade. It needs to be used now somehow and then Rozier + Baynes + Yabs out for salary matching in Walker trade.

Yep. Thanks for pointing out the 24th pick hold.
It appears we can't bring in any more salary from the Hornets. MKG is out.
Find some other way to use the $9M of cap space.

How so? My numbers (above) he still fits if you can combine the $9M.

ETA: cuz I suck at math....

He's back if CHA take Semi as well.

[zoyathedestroya]

Yep. Thanks for pointing out the 24th pick hold.
It appears we can't bring in any more salary from the Hornets. MKG is out.
Find some other way to use the $9M of cap space.

How so? My numbers (above) he still fits if you can combine the $9M.

ETA: cuz I suck at math....

He's back if CHA take Semi as well.

Call me crazy, but I'd rather have Semi. That trade ballast is enticing. So that space has to be used somehow. Wouldn't mind my Jamychal Green who's still available.

[CelticsLV]

But that open space doesn't help to take much more money back in Walker trade. It needs to be used now somehow and then Rozier + Baynes + Yabs out for salary matching in Walker trade.

Yep. Thanks for pointing out the 24th pick hold.
It appears we can't bring in any more salary from the Hornets. MKG is out.
Find some other way to use the $9M of cap space.

How so? My numbers (above) he still fits if you can combine the $9M.

ETA: cuz I suck at math....

Open cap space can only be used to absorb salary. Don't know about any case where it's been used for salary matching. Would make no sense if you could.

[djFan71]

How so? My numbers (above) he still fits if you can combine the $9M.

ETA: cuz I suck at math....

He's back if CHA take Semi as well.

Call me crazy, but I'd rather have Semi. That trade ballast is enticing. So that space has to be used somehow. Wouldn't mind my Jamychal Green who's still available.

You're crazy.
No time (again) for Semi this year. Langford and Williams both eat into it.
Plus, if we're not taking back MKG, that means we probably have to send CHA an asset to take Yabu. If who you sign is good enough, great. I'm not sure Green is. Or if there's anyone else left that is. So, probably trade into it, or back to MKG for me.

[Andrew McCeltic]

But that open space doesn't help to take much more money back in Walker trade. It needs to be used now somehow and then Rozier + Baynes + Yabs out for salary matching in Walker trade.

Yep. Thanks for pointing out the 24th pick hold.
It appears we can't bring in any more salary from the Hornets. MKG is out.
Find some other way to use the $9M of cap space.

Since this is contingent on Phoenix adjusting the trade, you could make the pick trade one transaction - and then move Baynes’ money in the larger deal as a second transaction..

Also, why do we have the hold for 24 and not 20? The first deal with Philadelphia has been officially transacted, the second hasn’t? Or it will have been before the Phoenix trade?

And are you all counting empty roster charges in this?

[djFan71]

Yep. Thanks for pointing out the 24th pick hold.
It appears we can't bring in any more salary from the Hornets. MKG is out.
Find some other way to use the $9M of cap space.

How so? My numbers (above) he still fits if you can combine the $9M.

ETA: cuz I suck at math....

Open cap space can only be used to absorb salary. Don't know about any case where it's been used for salary matching. Would make no sense if you could.

Sully said above he's seen instances, but didn't list them. It's so grey, that's the other reason why I want this trade to happen - so we know it can!

But, I do find it shady, and signing someone or trading into it is cleaner for sure. But then we gotta bribe CHA to take Yabu for the numbers to match.

[zoyathedestroya]

He's back if CHA take Semi as well.

Call me crazy, but I'd rather have Semi. That trade ballast is enticing. So that space has to be used somehow. Wouldn't mind my Jamychal Green who's still available.

You're crazy.
No time (again) for Semi this year. Langford and Williams both eat into it.
Plus, if we're not taking back MKG, that means we probably have to send CHA an asset to take Yabu. If who you sign is good enough, great. I'm not sure Green is. Or if there's anyone else left that is. So, probably trade into it, or back to MKG for me.

Yabu can go to a 4th team who has TPE. Send cash. Wyc should have some pocket change to take care of his salary lol.
I'm cool with whatever direction they take. As long as the cap space is maximized.

[Andrew McCeltic]

He's back if CHA take Semi as well.

Call me crazy, but I'd rather have Semi. That trade ballast is enticing. So that space has to be used somehow. Wouldn't mind my Jamychal Green who's still available.

You're crazy.
No time (again) for Semi this year. Langford and Williams both eat into it.
Plus, if we're not taking back MKG, that means we probably have to send CHA an asset to take Yabu. If who you sign is good enough, great. I'm not sure Green is. Or if there's anyone else left that is. So, probably trade into it, or back to MKG for me.

Yabu could replace whatever Charlotte is sending us for facilitating their Rozier acquisition.. or you could flip them the MIL 1st.. or a future second-rounder..

[djFan71]

Call me crazy, but I'd rather have Semi. That trade ballast is enticing. So that space has to be used somehow. Wouldn't mind my Jamychal Green who's still available.

You're crazy.
No time (again) for Semi this year. Langford and Williams both eat into it.
Plus, if we're not taking back MKG, that means we probably have to send CHA an asset to take Yabu. If who you sign is good enough, great. I'm not sure Green is. Or if there's anyone else left that is. So, probably trade into it, or back to MKG for me.

Yabu can go to a 4th team who has TPE. Send cash. Wyc should have some pocket change to take care of his salary lol.
I'm cool with whatever direction they take. As long as the cap space is maximized.

Ditto.

[CelticsLV]

This is very interesting and you guys might be on to something. Otherwise I don't see a reason why this Baynes deal is being held up.

[zoyathedestroya]

But that open space doesn't help to take much more money back in Walker trade. It needs to be used now somehow and then Rozier + Baynes + Yabs out for salary matching in Walker trade.

Yep. Thanks for pointing out the 24th pick hold.
It appears we can't bring in any more salary from the Hornets. MKG is out.
Find some other way to use the $9M of cap space.

Since this is contingent on Phoenix adjusting the trade, you could make the pick trade one transaction - and then move Baynes’ money in the larger deal as a second transaction..

Also, why do we have the hold for 24 and not 20? The first deal with Philadelphia has been officially transacted, the second hasn’t? Or it will have been before the Phoenix trade?

And are you all counting empty roster charges in this?

So trade 1 is something like #24 pick for the #32 pick? NBA might not allow it lol esp knowing Baynes is to follow. But if they do, that's a sneaky way to free up the cap space again.

Philly transaction for #20 is done. Or should be done by the time we use the cap space.

12 roster holds/spots accounted for.

[CelticsLV]

But that open space doesn't help to take much more money back in Walker trade. It needs to be used now somehow and then Rozier + Baynes + Yabs out for salary matching in Walker trade.

Yep. Thanks for pointing out the 24th pick hold.
It appears we can't bring in any more salary from the Hornets. MKG is out.
Find some other way to use the $9M of cap space.

Since this is contingent on Phoenix adjusting the trade, you could make the pick trade one transaction - and then move Baynes’ money in the larger deal as a second transaction..

Also, why do we have the hold for 24 and not 20? The first deal with Philadelphia has been officially transacted, the second hasn’t? Or it will have been before the Phoenix trade?

And are you all counting empty roster charges in this?

Correct. Sixers deal has been listed on NBA off-season transaction list but there's no Baynes deal reported yet.

[zoyathedestroya]

This is very interesting and you guys might be on to something. Otherwise I don't see a reason why this Baynes deal is being held up.

And no one will ever convince me that Rozier should be getting that much money. LOL.
I think it's the first scenario where we use the cap space to sign someone/absorb someone in a separate trade then use salary matching (Yabu+Baynes+Rozier) for Kemba trade.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yep. Most likely Yabu goes in trade if we pull anything else off.

My interest list:

Jabari Parker, Jake Layman, Jamychal Green, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Marcus Morris, Trey Lyles, Dragan Bender (maybe a vet minimum guy) and - by trade into the 10ish million: Ntilikina, Crowder, Kris Dunn, Jonothan Simmons, Jerami Grant;

By trade into the Walker deal: MKG, Olynyk - adding major or minor pick considerations: Winslow, Larry Nance Jr.

I'd take most of the bigs. I don't think the guards/wings get enough PT to rehab their value on our squad anyway, so not super interested in them. Other than as salary. Jabari I think I've given up on. He's already had 2 teams take fliers, no need for us to.

Ntilikina doesn’t need a ton of playing time, he just needs the right environment - he’s a better gamble than Yabu..

And Parker right now is trending like Michael Beasley, but Chicago was an awful environment and it’s possible the trade to Washington, and the release from his contract, plus his limited value, could be a wake up call for him - and/or Danny thinks he can talk Mormon to him.. Green and Morris are the only two players on that list who are impactful - I’d rather gamble on Parker, Lyles, Bender or Ntilikina than bring back Jae Crowder..

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yep. Thanks for pointing out the 24th pick hold.
It appears we can't bring in any more salary from the Hornets. MKG is out.
Find some other way to use the $9M of cap space.

Since this is contingent on Phoenix adjusting the trade, you could make the pick trade one transaction - and then move Baynes’ money in the larger deal as a second transaction..

Also, why do we have the hold for 24 and not 20? The first deal with Philadelphia has been officially transacted, the second hasn’t? Or it will have been before the Phoenix trade?

And are you all counting empty roster charges in this?

So trade 1 is something like #24 pick for the #32 pick? NBA might not allow it lol esp knowing Baynes is to follow. But if they do, that's a sneaky way to free up the cap space again.

Philly transaction for #20 is done. Or should be done by the time we use the cap space.

12 roster holds/spots accounted for.

I’m not sure holds negate empty roster charges..

[zoyathedestroya]

Since this is contingent on Phoenix adjusting the trade, you could make the pick trade one transaction - and then move Baynes’ money in the larger deal as a second transaction..

Also, why do we have the hold for 24 and not 20? The first deal with Philadelphia has been officially transacted, the second hasn’t? Or it will have been before the Phoenix trade?

And are you all counting empty roster charges in this?

So trade 1 is something like #24 pick for the #32 pick? NBA might not allow it lol esp knowing Baynes is to follow. But if they do, that's a sneaky way to free up the cap space again.

Philly transaction for #20 is done. Or should be done by the time we use the cap space.

12 roster holds/spots accounted for.

I’m not sure holds negate empty roster charges..

They do.

1. Hayward
2. Tatum
3. Smart
4. Brown
5. Ojeleye
6. Yabusele
7. Baynes
8. R.Williams
9. Langford hold
10. G.Williams hold
11. Rozier hold
12. Theis hold

[zoyathedestroya]

I just realized Celtics can no longer hold on to Morris' hold in the scenario above. Might be a good thing lol.

[CelticsLV]

Obviously, it doesn't mean something will materialize from this but seems like they are at least exploring some options.

[djFan71]

My interest list:

Jabari Parker, Jake Layman, Jamychal Green, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Marcus Morris, Trey Lyles, Dragan Bender (maybe a vet minimum guy) and - by trade into the 10ish million: Ntilikina, Crowder, Kris Dunn, Jonothan Simmons, Jerami Grant;

By trade into the Walker deal: MKG, Olynyk - adding major or minor pick considerations: Winslow, Larry Nance Jr.

I'd take most of the bigs. I don't think the guards/wings get enough PT to rehab their value on our squad anyway, so not super interested in them. Other than as salary. Jabari I think I've given up on. He's already had 2 teams take fliers, no need for us to.

Ntilikina doesn’t need a ton of playing time, he just needs the right environment - he’s a better gamble than Yabu..

And Parker right now is trending like Michael Beasley, but Chicago was an awful environment and it’s possible the trade to Washington, and the release from his contract, plus his limited value, could be a wake up call for him - and/or Danny thinks he can talk Mormon to him.. Green and Morris are the only two players on that list who are impactful - I’d rather gamble on Parker, Lyles, Bender or Ntilikina than bring back Jae Crowder..

Definitely on the bolded. Frank's a wing I would take on. Lyles/Bender if we had the spot, but you would probably need to trade Yabu and someone else at this point. They definitely wouldn't be worth the $9M (as you mentioned). I almost like MKG as a project as much as any of those guys, though.

Nance Jr/Grant could be interesting, depending on cost. But I assume their teams like them as well.
Green & Morris are playing for one of the 2 LA teams, imo, so probably not realistic.

I could be happy with using Semi/Yabu to get MKG, then taking on Bender or Lyles.

Or some other trade we haven't thought of yet.