Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides

El Poochio · Post #301 » by **El Poochio** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:09 am

Wish we were waiting on Kawhi so could miss all these signings

Lmao maxing out Boogie prolly has more upside to any signing we made he was at the level any of our signings could only dream of reaching

DowNY · Post #302 » by **DowNY** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:09 am

KnicksGod wrote:
DowNY wrote:We sitting here with unprotected 1sts from Dallas and dudes are complaining about protected future late 1sts & 2nd rd picks attached to expirings.
You know the best thing about a TO 1+1 deal? If a player like Bullock or Portis shows a jump in production & we throw them in a trade for a star at a deadline or something, that new team who may or may not be having some cap issues can just pick the option up with no worries.
If the player is regular, they can just decline the option. It’s up to the team. A team in control is a plus.

Just for clarity, only one unprotected 1st. 2023.

True but isn’t the unprotected in 2021 & the protected is in 2023?

N Y K · Post #303 » by **N Y K** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:09 am

spree8 wrote:
N Y K wrote:
spree8 wrote::lol: canceling on Kawhi for the likes of Taj, Bullock, Ellington, Elfrid, etc lol... ohhh boy. Blew all that money on bums we should’ve just signed to minimum contracts. Idgaf if those dudes agents told me to hurry up... I’d be like ok, bye.

Never thought we’d get Kawhi, but shyt, I’d still take a shot at him at the cost of signing the shyt we ended up with. We’re rebuilding, if the bums we overpaid were gone, we could’ve got cheaper bums to replace them after meeting Kawhi.

Randle I’m cool wit... but we could’ve had him and still had max money available , so why couldn’t we just wait, even if there was only a 0.1% chance to land him?

Maybe because they don't see it the same way you do?

If I'm faced with that low a percentage of getting someone and see players that I see something in and want to take a shot at, is probably do the same, if in that same scenario.

Please don’t act like I’m the only one seeing it this way. When this shyt spreads and everyone becomes aware... there’ll be millions more like me saying the same thing. Just wait.

Am I acting like you're the only one seeing it that way?

You asked for some reasoning. I offered some. That's all.

Edit: damn autocorrect

Post #304 » by **Capn'O** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:09 am

So the Suns basically just salary dumped Josh Jackson. **** man, do they ever suck.

JBreezeNY · Post #305 » by **JBreezeNY** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:11 am

Some of y’all definitely stuck on the negative, no sense to offer rationale when you see it one way, carry on.

DowNY · Post #306 » by **DowNY** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:12 am

spree8 wrote:
N Y K wrote:
spree8 wrote::lol: canceling on Kawhi for the likes of Taj, Bullock, Ellington, Elfrid, etc lol... ohhh boy. Blew all that money on bums we should’ve just signed to minimum contracts. Idgaf if those dudes agents told me to hurry up... I’d be like ok, bye.

Never thought we’d get Kawhi, but shyt, I’d still take a shot at him at the cost of signing the shyt we ended up with. We’re rebuilding, if the bums we overpaid were gone, we could’ve got cheaper bums to replace them after meeting Kawhi.

Randle I’m cool wit... but we could’ve had him and still had max money available , so why couldn’t we just wait, even if there was only a 0.1% chance to land him?

Maybe because they don't see it the same way you do?

If I'm faced with that low a percentage of getting someone and see players that I see something in and want to take a shot at, is probably do the same, if in that same scenario.

Please don’t act like I’m the only one seeing it this way. When this shyt spreads and everyone becomes aware... there’ll be millions more like me saying the same thing. Just wait.

Hurry up to sign bums vs wait 3 days to take a chance on the beat player in the league. You take bums... ok.

Your assumption of them being bums is what NYK is getting at. You’re assuming dudes are bums & Perry & co. doesn’t see them as such. So they’re sticking to their plan. A list of players they planned for. A list of players Perry & Fiz spent weeks analyzing into the scheme and fit. I’ll trust them before I trust you until proven otherwise on the court this season.

Post #307 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:12 am

robillionaire wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
knicks9784 wrote:
Who overpaid for what?

Knicks overpaid for Taj, Portis, Bullock, Ellington, Payton. Thats $50+mil. I get and agree we need to sign some vets. This was excessive and unnecessary though. Give me Vonleh for $2mil. Give me picks and expirings. Give me a meeting with Kawhi even if it doesn't go anywhere.

Just seems so pointless to me. I dont know. Hopefully we make a run and itsall worth it.

We had 80 million in cap space and needed to fill the roster up and they're all expiring contracts anyway so who cares? we didn't need to sign bargains and vonleh sucks anyway

I understand but giving it all to role players on 1 year deal should have been the last resort, not plan B. Get some picks when you can, get a meeting with Kawhi, then spend the rest.

In tne end, maybe it's not a big deal, but i just have no faith in management because they were not very creative

spree8 · Post #308 » by **spree8** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:13 am

DowNY wrote:
spree8 wrote::lol: canceling on Kawhi for the likes of Taj, Bullock, Ellington, Elfrid, etc lol... ohhh boy. Blew all that money on bums we should’ve just signed to minimum contracts. Idgaf if those dudes agents told me to hurry up... I’d be like ok, bye.

Never thought we’d get Kawhi, but shyt, I’d still take a shot at him at the cost of signing the shyt we ended up with. We’re rebuilding, if the bums we overpaid were gone, we could’ve got cheaper bums to replace them after meeting Kawhi.

Randle I’m cool wit... but we could’ve had him and still had max money available , so why couldn’t we just wait, even if there was only a 0.1% chance to land him?

The teams waiting, Lakers & Clippers specifically missing out on depth. They’ll get minimum guys. Those minimum guys won’t be better than dudes like Bullock, EP & Portis. If they are, they’re ringchasers that would never take min from the Knicks. We don’t get that liberty being a trash record team.
The plan was obviously KD + Kawhi. Once the KD thing blew up, just accelerate plan B.
If Kawhi is a free agent again next year, it’s a new stance we’re coming from (assuming we’ve shown to be improved). Maybe we won’t need to sell Kawhi on joining with another star. Maybe Mitch, Randle & RJ shows to be enough with our depth.

That’s the difference... we’re not the Lakers or Clippers. We’re a rebuilding team right now so waiting wouldn’t hurt us at all like it would/will hurt the Lakers n Clippers(not as much as the LAL tho).

If we landed Kawhi, we could still trade for and sign some quality depth. Nobody on earth is going to tell me that we couldn’t get some guys still on the market or even the friggin GLeague that aren’t as good or better than the trash we got.

DowNY · Post #309 » by **DowNY** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:14 am

JBreezeNY wrote:Some of y’all definitely stuck on the negative, no sense to offer rationale when you see it one way, carry on.

Lol yeah man, dudes don’t care.
It’s funny, half of the people complaining didn’t even want KD & Kyrie.....nor Randle & DLO. Idk what they wanted. Any signing would’ve been bad outside of Kawhi.

JBreezeNY · Post #310 » by **JBreezeNY** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:15 am

Take a meeting with a guy that would not sign here because the guy he wanted to play with chose to play in Brooklyn & the other guy he might’ve wanted to play with was traded to Miami.

Sounds smart to me, let’s complain about it.

taj2133 · Post #311 » by **taj2133** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:15 am

Watch on YouTube

spree8 · Post #312 » by **spree8** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:15 am

DowNY wrote:
spree8 wrote:
N Y K wrote:Maybe because they don't see it the same way you do?

If I'm faced with that low a percentage of getting someone and see players that I see something in and want to take a shot at, is probably do the same, if in that same scenario.

Please don’t act like I’m the only one seeing it this way. When this shyt spreads and everyone becomes aware... there’ll be millions more like me saying the same thing. Just wait.

Hurry up to sign bums vs wait 3 days to take a chance on the beat player in the league. You take bums... ok.

Your assumption of them being bums is what NYK is getting at. You’re assuming dudes are bums & Perry & co. doesn’t see them as such. So they’re sticking to their plan. A list of players they planned for. A list of players Perry & Fiz spent weeks analyzing into the scheme and fit. I’ll trust them before I trust you until proven otherwise on the court this season.

Management not seeing them as bums doesn’t make it gospel lol. Ellington, Elfrid, Bullock, Taj= bums. This is a fact. Don’t make me debate this bs cuz I’ll roll out the long laundry list of fails on both Mills n Perry’s resumes.

N Y K · Post #313 » by **N Y K** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:15 am

spree8 wrote:
N Y K wrote:
spree8 wrote::lol: canceling on Kawhi for the likes of Taj, Bullock, Ellington, Elfrid, etc lol... ohhh boy. Blew all that money on bums we should’ve just signed to minimum contracts. Idgaf if those dudes agents told me to hurry up... I’d be like ok, bye.

Never thought we’d get Kawhi, but shyt, I’d still take a shot at him at the cost of signing the shyt we ended up with. We’re rebuilding, if the bums we overpaid were gone, we could’ve got cheaper bums to replace them after meeting Kawhi.

Randle I’m cool wit... but we could’ve had him and still had max money available , so why couldn’t we just wait, even if there was only a 0.1% chance to land him?

Maybe because they don't see it the same way you do?

If I'm faced with that low a percentage of getting someone and see players that I see something in and want to take a shot at, is probably do the same, if in that same scenario.

Please don’t act like I’m the only one seeing it this way. When this shyt spreads and everyone becomes aware... there’ll be millions more like me saying the same thing. Just wait.

Hurry up to sign bums vs wait 3 days to take a chance on the beat player in the league. You take bums... ok.

I'd also like to address your edit by re-highlighting the above.

Again, you asked why they wouldn't wait. I haven't commented on anything other than that.

KnicksGadfly · Post #314 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:17 am

DowNY wrote:We sitting here with unprotected 1sts from Dallas and dudes are complaining about protected future late 1sts & 2nd rd picks attached to expirings.
You know the best thing about a TO 1+1 deal? If a player like Bullock or Portis shows a jump in production & we throw them in a trade for a star at a deadline or something, that new team who may or may not be having some cap issues can just pick the option up with no worries.
If the player is regular, they can just decline the option. It’s up to the team. A team in control is a plus.

1) 2nd round picks. If they're such pieces of crap, I want you to tell me how you feel about Ignas Brazdeikis right now, and how you have zero expectation for him cause he's just a random 2nd. How did the Knicks drafted Mitchell Robinson? Was it that much of a fluke?

2) Taj Gibson, Bullock, Ellington, Portis. Can you seriously tell me that all 4 guys have an equal chance to have a jump in production. Cause it looks to me that when one rises, another will fall. If Portis jumps in production, I'm guessing Taj is probably on the bench and not doing much. If Portis and Taj jump, then something went wrong with Mitch or Knox. It's not even an either-or situation. We could have signed 3 of the 4 and just done a salary dump with the rest. By the way, some of the salary dump players have been way better than our guys. Would that be so bad?

3) Just cause we have 2021 1st doesn't mean that we shouldn't get more assets. I really don't get this argument that much. You would think that we have a roster full of amazing, long-term talent, just from the way you're talking.

DowNY · Post #315 » by **DowNY** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:17 am

spree8 wrote:
DowNY wrote:
spree8 wrote::lol: canceling on Kawhi for the likes of Taj, Bullock, Ellington, Elfrid, etc lol... ohhh boy. Blew all that money on bums we should’ve just signed to minimum contracts. Idgaf if those dudes agents told me to hurry up... I’d be like ok, bye.

Never thought we’d get Kawhi, but shyt, I’d still take a shot at him at the cost of signing the shyt we ended up with. We’re rebuilding, if the bums we overpaid were gone, we could’ve got cheaper bums to replace them after meeting Kawhi.

Randle I’m cool wit... but we could’ve had him and still had max money available , so why couldn’t we just wait, even if there was only a 0.1% chance to land him?

The teams waiting, Lakers & Clippers specifically missing out on depth. They’ll get minimum guys. Those minimum guys won’t be better than dudes like Bullock, EP & Portis. If they are, they’re ringchasers that would never take min from the Knicks. We don’t get that liberty being a trash record team.
The plan was obviously KD + Kawhi. Once the KD thing blew up, just accelerate plan B.
If Kawhi is a free agent again next year, it’s a new stance we’re coming from (assuming we’ve shown to be improved). Maybe we won’t need to sell Kawhi on joining with another star. Maybe Mitch, Randle & RJ shows to be enough with our depth.

That’s the difference... we’re not the Lakers or Clippers. We’re a rebuilding team right now so waiting wouldn’t hurt us at all like it would/will hurt the Lakers n Clippers(not as much as the LAL tho).

If we landed Kawhi, we could still trade for and sign some quality depth. Nobody on earth is going to tell me that we couldn’t get some guys still on the market or even the friggin GLeague that aren’t as good or better than the trash we got.

Bro, if we would’ve waited the 3 days (going on 4) & still got curved , everyone would be crapping on the Knicks even more. “Why did they think they would have a chance?” “They missed out on a bunch of salary dumps” “Knicks suck”.....lol so yeah, waiting more days to still look foolish isn’t worth it. We’re not the Lakers or Clippers. You’re right. We’re rebuilding and Kawhi isn’t coming to that. Glad you know this.

AllanHoustonFan · Post #316 » by **AllanHoustonFan** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:18 am

JBreezeNY wrote:Take a meeting with a guy that would not sign here because the guy he wanted to play with chose to play in Brooklyn & the other guy he might’ve wanted to play with was traded to Miami.

Sounds smart to me, let’s complain about it.

Talk to em. Knicks fan complain no matter what. If we took the meeting and then was told no, people would be complaining when we sign the Jared Dudley's of the world to fill out the roster.

spree8 · Post #317 » by **spree8** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:18 am

JBreezeNY wrote:Take a meeting with a guy that would not sign here because the guy he wanted to play with chose to play in Brooklyn & the other guy he might’ve wanted to play with was traded to Miami.

Sounds smart to me, let’s complain about it.

This makes no sense. So Kawhi won’t sign anywhere because KD is in BK? Wtf logic is this?

Post #318 » by **K_ick_God** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:18 am

DowNY wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
DowNY wrote:We sitting here with unprotected 1sts from Dallas and dudes are complaining about protected future late 1sts & 2nd rd picks attached to expirings.
You know the best thing about a TO 1+1 deal? If a player like Bullock or Portis shows a jump in production & we throw them in a trade for a star at a deadline or something, that new team who may or may not be having some cap issues can just pick the option up with no worries.
If the player is regular, they can just decline the option. It’s up to the team. A team in control is a plus.

Just for clarity, only one unprotected 1st. 2023.

True but isn’t the unprotected in 2021 & the protected is in 2023?

Yeah I was wrong and edited the original post. Unprotected in 2021. 2023 protected. My bad.

KnicksGadfly · Post #319 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:18 am

DowNY wrote:
JBreezeNY wrote:Some of y’all definitely stuck on the negative, no sense to offer rationale when you see it one way, carry on.

Lol yeah man, dudes don’t care.
It’s funny, half of the people complaining didn’t even want KD & Kyrie.....nor Randle & DLO. Idk what they wanted. Any signing would’ve been bad outside of Kawhi.

Lol and some of you guys would support the FO no matter what they did. The last guy who did that? NYKMentality. Glad he's gone.

bigfnjoe96 · Post #320 » by **bigfnjoe96** » Thu Jul 4, 2019 2:19 am

Fat bastard comes out with another hit piece, and half the board eats it up....

Kawhi wasn't coming here to play with our youngens without another star.

Once KD say cya, PILLS went into the next phase of their FA Plan because they were pretty sure Kawhi wasn't coming.

Kudos to them for not waiting and doing what they needed to do to make this team better this off season.

And anyone who says we ain't no better than last year hasn't been watching too many games

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