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spree8 wrote:JBreezeNY wrote:Take a meeting with a guy that would not sign here because the guy he wanted to play with chose to play in Brooklyn & the other guy he might’ve wanted to play with was traded to Miami.
Sounds smart to me, let’s complain about it.
This makes no sense. So Kawhi won’t sign anywhere because KD is in BK? Wtf logic is this?
AllanHoustonFan wrote:JBreezeNY wrote:Take a meeting with a guy that would not sign here because the guy he wanted to play with chose to play in Brooklyn & the other guy he might’ve wanted to play with was traded to Miami.
Sounds smart to me, let’s complain about it.
Talk to em. Knicks fan complain no matter what. If we took the meeting and then was told no, people would be complaining when we sign the Jared Dudley's of the world to fill out the roster.
KnicksGod wrote:It's weird how Portis is like an abbreviated version of Porzingis with a T in the middle.
spree8 wrote:KnicksGod wrote:If Kawhi wanted to come, we could create room pretty easily. RJ, Knox, Frank, a couple of other moves. Wouldn't be hard but wouldn't be ideal versus just using the room we had.
Might be able to unload a couple of the 10M guys with a pick or two or maybe not even that (Lakers) if those players went along.
Wait, you would be ok with trading our core for Kawhi after refusing to wait 3 days to sign him for free? Am I reading that right dude???
knicksh20b wrote:DowNY wrote:We sitting here with unprotected 1sts from Dallas and dudes are complaining about protected future late 1sts & 2nd rd picks attached to expirings.
You know the best thing about a TO 1+1 deal? If a player like Bullock or Portis shows a jump in production & we throw them in a trade for a star at a deadline or something, that new team who may or may not be having some cap issues can just pick the option up with no worries.
If the player is regular, they can just decline the option. It’s up to the team. A team in control is a plus.
1) 2nd round picks. If they're such pieces of crap, I want you to tell me how you feel about Ignas Brazdeikis right now, and how you have zero expectation for him cause he's just a random 2nd. How did the Knicks drafted Mitchell Robinson? Was it that much of a fluke?
2) Taj Gibson, Bullock, Ellington, Portis. Can you seriously tell me that all 4 guys have an equal chance to have a jump in production. Cause it looks to me that when one rises, another will fall. If Portis jumps in production, I'm guessing Taj is probably on the bench and not doing much. If Portis and Taj jump, then something went wrong with Mitch or Knox. It's not even an either-or situation. We could have signed 3 of the 4 and just done a salary dump with the rest. By the way, some of the salary dump players have been way better than our guys. Would that be so bad?
3) Just cause we have 2021 1st doesn't mean that we shouldn't get more assets. I really don't get this argument that much. You would think that we have a roster full of amazing, long-term talent, just from the way you're talking.
DowNY wrote:spree8 wrote:DowNY wrote:The teams waiting, Lakers & Clippers specifically missing out on depth. They’ll get minimum guys. Those minimum guys won’t be better than dudes like Bullock, EP & Portis. If they are, they’re ringchasers that would never take min from the Knicks. We don’t get that liberty being a trash record team.
The plan was obviously KD + Kawhi. Once the KD thing blew up, just accelerate plan B.
If Kawhi is a free agent again next year, it’s a new stance we’re coming from (assuming we’ve shown to be improved). Maybe we won’t need to sell Kawhi on joining with another star. Maybe Mitch, Randle & RJ shows to be enough with our depth.
That’s the difference... we’re not the Lakers or Clippers. We’re a rebuilding team right now so waiting wouldn’t hurt us at all like it would/will hurt the Lakers n Clippers(not as much as the LAL tho).
If we landed Kawhi, we could still trade for and sign some quality depth. Nobody on earth is going to tell me that we couldn’t get some guys still on the market or even the friggin GLeague that aren’t as good or better than the trash we got.
Bro, if we would’ve waited the 3 days (going on 4) & still got curved , everyone would be crapping on the Knicks even more. “Why did they think they would have a chance?” “They missed out on a bunch of salary dumps” “Knicks suck”.....lol so yeah, waiting more days to still look foolish isn’t worth it. We’re not the Lakers or Clippers. You’re right. We’re rebuilding and Kawhi isn’t coming to that. Glad you know this.
spree8 wrote:JBreezeNY wrote:Take a meeting with a guy that would not sign here because the guy he wanted to play with chose to play in Brooklyn & the other guy he might’ve wanted to play with was traded to Miami.
Sounds smart to me, let’s complain about it.
This makes no sense. So Kawhi won’t sign anywhere because KD is in BK? Wtf logic is this?
spree8 wrote:DowNY wrote:spree8 wrote:
That’s the difference... we’re not the Lakers or Clippers. We’re a rebuilding team right now so waiting wouldn’t hurt us at all like it would/will hurt the Lakers n Clippers(not as much as the LAL tho).
If we landed Kawhi, we could still trade for and sign some quality depth. Nobody on earth is going to tell me that we couldn’t get some guys still on the market or even the friggin GLeague that aren’t as good or better than the trash we got.
Bro, if we would’ve waited the 3 days (going on 4) & still got curved , everyone would be crapping on the Knicks even more. “Why did they think they would have a chance?” “They missed out on a bunch of salary dumps” “Knicks suck”.....lol so yeah, waiting more days to still look foolish isn’t worth it. We’re not the Lakers or Clippers. You’re right. We’re rebuilding and Kawhi isn’t coming to that. Glad you know this.
Nobody would get on us for waiting to convince the best player in the league and missing out on role players the way they would/should get on us for passing on the best player in the league for role players lol.
KnicksGod wrote:spree8 wrote:KnicksGod wrote:If Kawhi wanted to come, we could create room pretty easily. RJ, Knox, Frank, a couple of other moves. Wouldn't be hard but wouldn't be ideal versus just using the room we had.
Might be able to unload a couple of the 10M guys with a pick or two or maybe not even that (Lakers) if those players went along.
Wait, you would be ok with trading our core for Kawhi after refusing to wait 3 days to sign him for free? Am I reading that right dude???
Yes. It's called hedging bets and is done all the time by bettors and investors. If we have a 10% chance to get Kawhi and you feel there's substantial value in Randle and the others, you can sign them and leave yourself another pathway (though more expensive) to go back to Plan A. Stitching it together with Plan B essentially.
You could end up with most of the youth (mine was just an extreme example of a very likely way to RE-create room) and still Randle and role players. That's definitely worth it.
Something like:
Payton
RJ / Bullock
Kawhi
Randle
Mitch
JBreezeNY wrote:spree8 wrote:JBreezeNY wrote:Take a meeting with a guy that would not sign here because the guy he wanted to play with chose to play in Brooklyn & the other guy he might’ve wanted to play with was traded to Miami.
Sounds smart to me, let’s complain about it.
This makes no sense. So Kawhi won’t sign anywhere because KD is in BK? Wtf logic is this?
Jesus use critics thinking fam.
Kawhi wasn’t coming by himself, if he’s going to NY it’s because of other factors.
Those other factors went elsewhere.
Use logic my guy.
Capn'O wrote:KnicksGod wrote:spree8 wrote:
Wait, you would be ok with trading our core for Kawhi after refusing to wait 3 days to sign him for free? Am I reading that right dude???
Yes. It's called hedging bets and is done all the time by bettors and investors. If we have a 10% chance to get Kawhi and you feel there's substantial value in Randle and the others, you can sign them and leave yourself another pathway (though more expensive) to go back to Plan A. Stitching it together with Plan B essentially.
You could end up with most of the youth (mine was just an extreme example of a very likely way to RE-create room) and still Randle and role players. That's definitely worth it.
Something like:
Payton
RJ / Bullock
Kawhi
Randle
Mitch
I feel like the percentages were less than 10%
spree8 wrote:DowNY wrote:spree8 wrote:
That’s the difference... we’re not the Lakers or Clippers. We’re a rebuilding team right now so waiting wouldn’t hurt us at all like it would/will hurt the Lakers n Clippers(not as much as the LAL tho).
If we landed Kawhi, we could still trade for and sign some quality depth. Nobody on earth is going to tell me that we couldn’t get some guys still on the market or even the friggin GLeague that aren’t as good or better than the trash we got.
Bro, if we would’ve waited the 3 days (going on 4) & still got curved , everyone would be crapping on the Knicks even more. “Why did they think they would have a chance?” “They missed out on a bunch of salary dumps” “Knicks suck”.....lol so yeah, waiting more days to still look foolish isn’t worth it. We’re not the Lakers or Clippers. You’re right. We’re rebuilding and Kawhi isn’t coming to that. Glad you know this.
Jesus. I knew you’d say that he wouldn’t come to a rebuilding team so I covered that by saying we have the means to improve the roster via trades... yet you either didn’t pick up on that or blatantly ignored it. Conveniently.
Nobody would get on us for waiting to convince the best player in the league and missing out on role players the way they would/should get on us for passing on the best player in the league for role players lol.
Pretty simple... best case scenario for blowing off the best player in the league for role players: you fill out your team with your first choice role players on 1 year deals (who’ll be gone in a year).
Best case scenario for waiting for a chance to sign the best player in the league: you sign the best player in the league and then you pick up whatever role players remain and make trades to get him help.
Worst case scenarios... not waiting: you definitely don’t get him and you definitely have a lotto team. Waiting: you don’t get him and you still have a lotto team with different bum role players (not necessarily any worse than what we got).
KnickyKnicks wrote:the dude cant even decide between teams who can make a run to the finals. What the hell was the Knicks going to sell him on. You can tell yourself there was a chance that he could sign with us that fine.
There is a difference between possible and probable.
bunch of crybabies over everything.
spree8 wrote:JBreezeNY wrote:spree8 wrote:
This makes no sense. So Kawhi won’t sign anywhere because KD is in BK? Wtf logic is this?
Jesus use critics thinking fam.
Kawhi wasn’t coming by himself, if he’s going to NY it’s because of other factors.
Those other factors went elsewhere.
Use logic my guy.
This isn’t logic. Why would he go to the LAC without another star there then? Why must he only come to NYC with another star? Shyt, we have more talent than they do lol. They’re better coached and have good role players in Beverley and Lou, but we have a better young core with value that could get him some star player help via trade. More than LAC does.
RJ, Mitch, Knox, DSJr, Dallas picks, and even our picks could get some serious help for him. Just like CLE got their 3rd star for Wiggins after Lebron signed there.