Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides

[newyorker4ever]

Remember when we were the secret team, and Kawhi was going to pick us?

[TheGreenArrow]

Posters dont think rj Barrett is part of our core??

I swear some knick fans are the worst.

The absolute worst.

[VCBC]

So Perry decided to pass on a meeting w Kawhi for 4 bums? And yes, he could've signed Randle and Portis and still had a max slot.

Please tell me this is fake news. Regardless, fire Perry & Mills stat

I'm sure the Knicks were the 4th team on his list of Toronto, Lakers, Clips and Knicks so we didn't have the best chance at getting him to actually choose us so the Knicks chose to start the process of becoming a winning team and creating a winning culture which is what other big name free agents will want to choose to play for you. So the main thing you said was they passed on a meeting not on signing Kawhi. It was juts a meeting that we weren't gonna get until the 3rd and by that time we wouldn't of been able to get much good young talent to come play for us especially on the type of contracts we got for the type B level free agents.

The guys we brought in are not bums so i think that's just a dumb thing to even say. I get it that it's not the big names we were all hoping for but all of the guys that we signed are good at certain things but none are good at everything but the guys that are good at everything are the super stars. Whoever the Lakers get to put around Lebron and AD won't be good at everything, the guys Kawhi had around him last year weren't good at everything and this goes for every team that does have a super star or two. The Nets had no players at all that were good at everything but they played as a team and became a more attractive situation to the big names then the Knicks because of that so now this is what the Knicks need to do.

Who cares if it's "just" a meeting?! You take it regardless especially if Kawhi signs a 1+1 and goes back into FA.

You're about to sell your business and 2 PE shops offer the same terms, 1 shop you've met with, the other canceled a meeting with you and has a reputation of being a chip shop.

It's just bad, bad business especially when a meeting with Kawhi was a choice to focus on him or Taj, Ellington, Payton, Bullock.

The day the Knicks drop this is the "Mecca" and "We are the Knicks" mentality is when the league will start taking them seriously. The arrogance and idiocy is off the charts in Dolan and Mills, jury still out on Perry

[newyorker4ever]

Watch on YouTube

quality dude..

Good find man and i already loved this signing more than many but now just hearing him talk about that makes me a fan of R.Bullock as a man as well.

[Rooster8]

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lol

I told a co worker a couple weeks back that I could see Zion getting fat really easy. He's going to have to work harder than most to be in top shape

[TheGreenArrow]

So Perry decided to pass on a meeting w Kawhi for 4 bums? And yes, he could've signed Randle and Portis and still had a max slot.

Please tell me this is fake news. Regardless, fire Perry & Mills stat

I'm sure the Knicks were the 4th team on his list of Toronto, Lakers, Clips and Knicks so we didn't have the best chance at getting him to actually choose us so the Knicks chose to start the process of becoming a winning team and creating a winning culture which is what other big name free agents will want to choose to play for you. So the main thing you said was they passed on a meeting not on signing Kawhi. It was juts a meeting that we weren't gonna get until the 3rd and by that time we wouldn't of been able to get much good young talent to come play for us especially on the type of contracts we got for the type B level free agents.

The guys we brought in are not bums so i think that's just a dumb thing to even say. I get it that it's not the big names we were all hoping for but all of the guys that we signed are good at certain things but none are good at everything but the guys that are good at everything are the super stars. Whoever the Lakers get to put around Lebron and AD won't be good at everything, the guys Kawhi had around him last year weren't good at everything and this goes for every team that does have a super star or two. The Nets had no players at all that were good at everything but they played as a team and became a more attractive situation to the big names then the Knicks because of that so now this is what the Knicks need to do.

Who cares if it's "just" a meeting?! You take it regardless especially if Kawhi signs a 1+1 and goes back into FA.

You're about to sell your business and 2 PE shops offer the same terms, 1 shop you've met with, the other canceled a meeting with you and has a reputation of being a chip shop.

It's just bad, bad business especially when a meeting with Kawhi was a choice to focus on him or Taj, Ellington, Payton, Bullock.

The day the Knicks drop this is the "Mecca" and "We are the Knicks" mentality is when the league will start taking them seriously. The arrogance and idiocy is off the charts in Dolan and Mills, jury still out on Perry

From Chris carter:

"The Knicks were concerned about Kawhi, when they would get to him and if they would have a real chance. They got information that they might not have the best chance to sign him, so they got out of it on Sunday.

Just accept it dude the knicks did the right thing here.

They know they didnt have a chance so they moved on and you should too.

[mpharris36]

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[newyorker4ever]

After doing some studying on the players we have I came up with the best rotation for the Knicks next season.

PG: Payton
SG: Barrett
SF: Knox
PF: Randle
C: Robinson

6th man: Smith Jr
7: Portis
8: Bullock
9: Gibson
10: Ntilikina
11: Dotson
12: Trier
13: Ellington

Inactive: Iggy and TBD

Payton over DSJ starting because he is a better pure facilitator and defender who also has chemistry with Randle from NO. Randle as the high pick option and primary scorer at PF. Barrett is an obvious at SG as a secondary playmaker and iso scorer. Knox as a spacer, cutter and spot up option at SF. Mitch for his defense and pick and roll with Payton lobs and dumps.

DSJ can be a sparkplug off the bench replacing either guard position. Portis gives Randle a break and takes his duties. Bullock replaces either Knox or Barrett providing another shooter and defender. Gibson then relieves Mitch giving them another inside defender to go with Portis' scoring. Certain nights Frank can come in instead of Bullock for defensive reasons and keeping a secondary playmaker on the court. Other nights Dotson can get the call. Trier will have to work his way into the rotation. Ellington is on the bench as a vet presence and situational shooter.

What do you guys think? Seems pretty balanced to me.

Also, it was interesting seeing in the 2 years Portis and Gibson were teammates they never shared the court together. It would seem like the 2 would compliment each other.

I also think that's probably our best lineup but the shooting is a problem with that lineup. I really really wish we would of found a shooting point guard. Wish we would of found a way to get D.Garland in the draft or found a free agent PG that can shoot like DLo. Knox will put up plenty but needs to get his percentages better at 3 and hopefully RJ really worked on his shooting and Randle is avg for a big man behind the arc but Bullock and Ellington are our guys and B.Portis so we'll have shooting to bring in from the bench but if we just had one big time 3 point shooter in that starting lineup would be nice.

[Im Coming Home]

Still a bit surprised we let Vonleh go. Dude looked great last year despite slowing down at the end of the year. He showed A LOT of skills and I really wanted him back.

[newyorker4ever]

Maybe this should go in the summer league thread but I feel like we are still sleeping on Trier.

He’s a good and skilled passer too. What if he transforms his game more and can start playing point.

Something special about both him and Mitch ofc.

What i need to see from Trier this year to make me more of a fan is for him not to worry about his own stats and become more of a team player. He definitely was a stats padder last year and since we were such a horrible team anyway then okay i guess but now we have some young players that should be good additions for us and i want ISO ZO. I don't want ISO anyone. I didn't think he shot enough 3 pointers last year either and was more about taking it to the basket which he's good at and is good at getting to the foul line but he was a good shooter at Arizona.

[newyorker4ever]

Maybe this should go in the summer league thread but I feel like we are still sleeping on Trier.

He’s a good and skilled passer too. What if he transforms his game more and can start playing point.

Something special about both him and Mitch ofc.

he's slightly smallish as a 2 so i've said before if ever wants to be a starter he needs to be a point. i would hope he knows this too and starts working towards that. he's already a pretty efficient scorer and would be one of the taller points but he has to change his mindset to look for others more.

Well Fiz had him playing a good amount of PG last year so they could be thinking the same thing and it would be nice having a PG that can shoot as well as everything else he does.

[stuporman]

You people love secret sauce rumors so much let me put some on your plate to digest.

Remember Iggy's 'knick of time' tweet? Well, the Warriors has multiple 3rd teams waiting to be involved for him and a pick but waited to talk to him on preferred destination.... he nixed one of them, the Knicks. Especially after his comment about them getting nobody.

So it's time to stop obsessing over that, it wasn't happening.

Also, at the request of the division rival he was negotiating with and Pat the rat was more than happy to oblige the Knicks were never considered as the destination for the player and pick with that deal, either.

The Knicks were shut out of the deals by other teams more than anything.

[K_ick_God]

Something tells me Mitch isn't going to create problems and make it about him. Or have a family member who intervenes and makes it about him.

[Oscirus]

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lol

I told a co worker a couple weeks back that I could see Zion getting fat really easy. He's going to have to work harder than most to be in top shape

Zion's gonna be a beast, he's a hard worker. Get a good mid range game and the skys the limit for him

[Deeeez Knicks]

Trier should be our 6th man and hopefully gets a lot of minutes despite the signings. 44% on spot up 3s and ranked in the 77% in spot ups overall so he can play off the ball too and help space the floor.

Has all the makings to be a great 6th man. Can play next to RJ with RJ handling the main point too

[K_ick_God]

lol

I told a co worker a couple weeks back that I could see Zion getting fat really easy. He's going to have to work harder than most to be in top shape

Zion's gonna be a beast, he's a hard worker. Get a good mid range game and the skys the limit for him

I don't see the LJ build really. Or Barkley. He's stockier and shorter I think. But I'm sure he will be very good.

[Oscirus]

You people love secret sauce rumors so much let me put some on your plate to digest.

Remember Iggy's 'knick of time' tweet? Well, the Warriors has multiple 3rd teams waiting to be involved for him and a pick but waited to talk to him on preferred destination.... he nixed one of them, the Knicks. Especially after his comment about them getting nobody.

So it's time to stop obsessing over that, it wasn't happening.

Also, at the request of the division rival he was negotiating with and Pat the rat was more than happy to oblige the Knicks were never considered as the destination for the player and pick with that deal, either.

The Knicks were shut out of the deals by other teams more than anything.

I tend to believe that short of there being no other options available, that the Warriors weren't helping us out regardless and that his tweet was a **** you to all the vitriol he got for saying nobody was coming here.

[newyorker4ever]

Maybe this should go in the summer league thread but I feel like we are still sleeping on Trier.

He’s a good and skilled passer too. What if he transforms his game more and can start playing point.

Something special about both him and Mitch ofc.

The whole narrative that Trier is a “selfish” player is extremely unfair. I really don’t remember moments this season where I thought that.

We should absolutely value his scoring off the bench. He could be one of those guys (when we become a good team) that provide a major spark when we’re playing at Sacramento or something and it’s 34-21 at the end of the first quarter.

There were definitely times that Trier was selfish and if you watched every game then i'm not sure how you didn't see at least some of those times where he had an open pass to an open player but didn't pass it to him to only take his own shot. I don't think he was like that every game. I'm sure that Fiz would have a talk with him after a game that he did do some selfish things and if he's a coachable player then he would listen to that and come out and have some games where he would actually make some good passes and he would have some good lobs to Mitch. I'm not gonna say he's a selfish player but there were definitely times he was selfish and played the ISO Zo game.

[newyorker4ever]

Now our core is better than what the Clippers have.

Our core and picks couldn't even get us Anthony Davis

This ish is too funny. I'm just glad we handled our business. Now I can go down to Myrtle Beach for the week, enjoy Summer League and my vacation without having to refresh my phone every 5 minutes

Why are people even talking about our core when we're in year two of a rebuild? That's what's funny. We just started and right now we don't know what Knox will be to say he's part of the core, we don't know what Barrett will be to say he's part of the core, we don't know what DSJ will be to say he's part of the core, we don't know if J.Randle is the player he was last year and actually puts the effort in to get better on defense to end up keeping him to make him part of the core.

It's too early to be talking core in year two of the rebuild especially when none of the players added in year two have even played a game for us yet.

Those guys are our core for now. Whether they are long term pieces is what the team is figuring out, and that will likely take several years of commitment.

Yeah i guess i should have said i was talking long term because this is a rebuild so i'm thinking long term and right now i don't know which ones will be part of our core in 2-3-4 years from now. Hoping all our draft picks in Barrett, Mitch, Knox, Frank, Dotson, Iggy and Trier are just because i love the guys that started their careers with us. If J.Randle can show even some defense or at least show he's putting the effort in on defense then i think he still could turn into a star. He's already a star at scoring and rebounding and is a pretty good passer for a big man.

[Deeeez Knicks]

There were def times when Trier played selfish, but he was no worse then others on the team. Overall Trier was 11th on the team in fga per 36 minutes and 7th in usage. He was very efficient at 56% ts too. If anything he may have needed more shots and touches last year