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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#381 » by VCfor3 » Thu Jul 4, 2019 6:05 pm

jman3134 wrote:Players would rather play with Ja than Trae, mark my words. Given how we treated Mike Conley and sent him to a contender, I doubt not buying Iggy out has much of an impact. We don't owe him anything.


I mean trading Iggy now isn't a bad look. If we can't find any takers then we have to decide whether to buy him out or take him into the season in hopes of trading him later. Only at that point would there be any potential issues. I don't think it will get to that point.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#382 » by jman3134 » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:56 am

I agree there shouldn't be an issue. That said, Iggy could have been putting out reports he wanted to get bought out and play for the Lakers, which would significantly decrease Grizz trade leverage. So isn't ideal, but looks like they'll pull off something.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#383 » by Whole Truth » Fri Jul 5, 2019 12:00 pm

WindhorstESPN.

- Belief is Robert Covington could be on the trade block.

It was rumored on draft day Minnesota was trying to move the contract of Andrew Wiggins, and now, it appears the team may be trying to trade Jeff Teague and Robert Covington, as well.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-timberwolves-could-move-jeff-teague-robert-covington/

I can understand off loading Wiggins/Teague/Dieng but I'd think, they'd have to be after a specific target (Russell) to move Covington who's their 2nd best player on a very good 12m/3yr contract, especially considering what teams have signed this year. He's great production value for him to not be traded for a coveted target.

Minnesota talked of a sign & trade for Wiggins with Nets. They didn't say who'd be involved in their path to that trade.

Nets S&T Russell - 27,285,000 to GS, Minnesota need to find a team to take Wiggins - 27,594,630.

I still think Memphis 17m TPE, is part one of the trade to net Russell from free agency/Nets.

Step 2.

GS trade - (Russell) for (Covington, Crowder, Plumlee)

Minnesota trade - (Wiggins, Teague, Covington, (Culver #6 zero rated)) for (Russell, Anderson, Miles, Allen)

Memphis trade - (Anderson, Crowder, Plumlee, Miles, Allen) for (Wiggins, Teague, (Culver #6 zero rated))

Memphis waive Bradley (10m), buyout Hill, stretch or buyout Teague

Jonas / Noah? / Rabb
3J / Clarke / Bruno
Jackson / Iggy? / Brooks
Wiggins / Culver / Holiday?
Ja / Wright / Melton

Ja couldn't ask for 2 better transition athletes than Jackson & Wiggins. If the reclamation project/s don't pan out Culver would be developing in the mix.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#384 » by SD2042 » Sat Jul 6, 2019 1:34 am

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Memphis are taking Wiggins to get Culver. He would be a good reclamation project. He's a fast twitch athlete that might thrive at a different pace with Ja. It should be noted he played better under Rubio a past first PG, than he did Teague.

The salary would be inconseuential as it would be burried in a 2-3yr development period. Memphis would have Jaren, Clarke, Culver, Ja & 2 slightly protected 1st in 2022/4. It's perfect alignment to infuse cheap talent into the young core or attach to Wiggins 30m expiring trade filler for a max player from a rebuilding team ...

Don't watch trading for Wiggins at face value.



I understand the reclamation project part. The guy hasn't inspire my confidence to get behind him to get better as a player. He didn't earned that enormous contract. He has played alongside a potential top ten center in KAT and hasn't taken advantage of his opportunities. Maybe it's possible that a change of teams could be the catalyst that wakes him up and forces him to dedicate himself to the game and to himself.


I don't expect anything out of Wiggins as a reclamation project but for tying some cap when you'll have quite a bit, I'd use that as leverage to steal Culver in trade. With the outside shot & upside that Wiggins, might put it together.

Even with Wiggins on roster next year Memphis will be well below the cap. The question is, is Culver worth it?.


That's a good question to ask. With Culver, his defensive potential is solid. His offensive skills as a slasher is good. His perimeter offense will need to improve. My thoughts on Culver in the long run is that he would make a solid complimentary player if he continues to work on his offense. Although the Grizzlies would be under the cap if such a trade with the Wolves would take place, Wiggins just scares me off. Maybe 35-40% worth a gamble. Still not good odds in my eyes given the trade scenario.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#385 » by Whole Truth » Sat Jul 6, 2019 3:59 pm

I have 2 mind about this but a suggested change in direction.

With 2 super teams forming in the West along with GS, Wizards would be best served to cash in on Beal as Wizards will be going nowhere with the risk of him losing value over time. Either by injury or drop in production as he's coming off a career high.

In 3yrs when the super teams will be tailing off, Beal would be 27-28 & in his prime. Problem is for Washington, they will have little talent around him & Wall's bloated contract tying up cap space, probably in need of a rebuild.

Grizzliess trade - Expiring fillers, Anderson, Allen, Grizz 2022/3 depending on when they convey, GS 2024 for Beal.

Jonas / Noah / Rabb
3J / Clarke / Bruno
Jackson / Clarke / Bruno
Beal / Brooks
Ja / Wright / Melton

Small ball - 3J / Clarke or Bruno or Jackson at the forward positions / Beal / Ja

Bruno if better spacing is needed.

+ Utah's 2022 pick. To infuse cheap talent into a faulting area of need. If Ja & Jaren are the real deal. This pick can be used on a defensive big or better SF option than Jackson if he doesn't pan out.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#386 » by Whole Truth » Sat Jul 6, 2019 4:19 pm

According to multiple recent reports, the Nuggets won't be alone in looking to deal for Iguodala. The Rockets and Mavericks - again, two Western Conference teams - are among the teams most interested in the 35-year-old veteran who is set to make $17.2 million in 2019-20.

Good news for Memphis, there's a market for Iggy & some trade leverage.

No mention of what these teams are potentially offering?.
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Post#387 » by SD2042 » Sun Jul 7, 2019 1:59 am

Whole Truth wrote:According to multiple recent reports, the Nuggets won't be alone in looking to deal for Iguodala. The Rockets and Mavericks - again, two Western Conference teams - are among the teams most interested in the 35-year-old veteran who is set to make $17.2 million in 2019-20.

Good news for Memphis, there's a market for Iggy & some trade leverage.

No mention of what these teams are potentially offering?.


Based on what the Mavs have and what the Grizzlies are doing, I'm not too sure they have the right piece to obtain Iguodala. At best, the Grizzlies would have to acquire Tim Hardaway while the Grizzlies would have to add another piece complete the trade deal or absorb the Hardaway remaining two year deal into the TPE if they choose this road.

As for the Rockets, I don't see what they have to offer that best makes sense for them to acquire Iguodala. The Grizzlies may need to look elsewhere to trade Iggy.
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Post#388 » by VCfor3 » Sun Jul 7, 2019 4:33 am

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Whole Truth wrote:According to multiple recent reports, the Nuggets won't be alone in looking to deal for Iguodala. The Rockets and Mavericks - again, two Western Conference teams - are among the teams most interested in the 35-year-old veteran who is set to make $17.2 million in 2019-20.

Good news for Memphis, there's a market for Iggy & some trade leverage.

No mention of what these teams are potentially offering?.


Based on what the Mavs have and what the Grizzlies are doing, I'm not too sure they have the right piece to obtain Iguodala. At best, the Grizzlies would have to acquire Tim Hardaway while the Grizzlies would have to add another piece complete the trade deal or absorb the Hardaway remaining two year deal into the TPE if they choose this road.

As for the Rockets, I don't see what they have to offer that best makes sense for them to acquire Iguodala. The Grizzlies may need to look elsewhere to trade Iggy.


So the Denver report implied that they'd be interested in Iggy if he is bought out. It didn't say they wanted to trade for him though it also didn't preclude it. As for Dallas and Houston, those seem like somewhat likely scenarios.

Dallas: Lee+2nd or two
Houston: Shumpert(S&T with last two years not guaranteed)+2nds or maybe a heavily protected 1st
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#389 » by Whole Truth » Sun Jul 7, 2019 3:12 pm

According to multiple recent reports, the Nuggets won't be alone in looking to deal for Iguodala.

I saw someone mention Mavs have 22m in cap space. If they don't, they have Barnes 21m TPE.

Missing out on DG, I'd trade Iggy into their cap space or TPE if they want him, no compensation.
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Post#390 » by Whole Truth » Sun Jul 7, 2019 4:00 pm

Westbrook apparently wants to be traded with Adams.

OKC trade - (Westbrook, Adams) for (Paul, Plumlee, 13m cap space, Cavs FRP, Houston FRP, Kings 2nd)

Houston trade - (Paul, Capela, Gordon, FRP) for (Westbrook, Adams, Iggy)

Cavs trade - (JR.Smith, pick) for (Gordon)

Kings trade - (17m Cap space, 2nd) for (Capela)

Memphis trade - (Iggy, Plumlee) for (Smith, 17m TPE)

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OKC net a rebuilding package of 13m cap space & 2 FRP's.

Houston retool their starters around Harden with Adams, Iggy & Westbrook.

Cavs net a veteran shooting guard for Smiths non guaranteed contract where they were after Hayward to add experience.

Kings land Capela for pure cap space to replace WCS.

Memphis waive Smith 15m/4m guarantee, trade filler the value of Iggy/Capela into space to shed 28m, for facilitating Houston another 2 way championship role player (Adams, Tucker, Iggy, Harden, Westbrook) & Kings Capela. (Re-sign Noah, Holiday, Wright).
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#391 » by Whole Truth » Sun Jul 7, 2019 4:21 pm

The above trade, is not one trade.

Houston trade Gordon to Cavs for Smith & a FRP to net an additional pick for OKC.

In the 3way trade with Houston/OKC, Memphis trade Iggy & Plumlee for Capela & Smith.

Memphis then flip Capela to Kings who don't want to give up a FRP but are willing to take him into space.

Memphis make 2 deals, shed 28m cap space once they waive Smith. Clear 2 roster spots.
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Post#392 » by Whole Truth » Sun Jul 7, 2019 9:31 pm

Memphis S & Traded Delon for 3/29.

Out Conley, Delon, Carter in Ja & Melton.

Even in a sink or swim situation, rookie Ja coming off of surgury & Melton seems pretty thin without Delon.

I wonder if there's a short term vet PG coming back in trade to help stabblize the position?.
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Post#393 » by SD2042 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 5:37 am

Whole Truth wrote:Memphis S & Traded Delon for 3/29.

Out Conley, Delon, Carter in Ja & Melton.

Even in a sink or swim situation, rookie Ja coming off of surgury & Melton seems pretty thin without Delon.

I wonder if there's a short term vet PG coming back in trade to help stabblize the position?.


The Grizzlies need to get a PG. I am somewhat disappointed that they didn't retain Wright. He is durable for what he has done during his short time with the Grizzlies. Best of luck with the Mavericks.
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Post#394 » by Whole Truth » Mon Jul 8, 2019 1:29 pm

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Whole Truth wrote:Memphis S & Traded Delon for 3/29.

Out Conley, Delon, Carter in Ja & Melton.

Even in a sink or swim situation, rookie Ja coming off of surgury & Melton seems pretty thin without Delon.

I wonder if there's a short term vet PG coming back in trade to help stabblize the position?.


The Grizzlies need to get a PG. I am somewhat disappointed that they didn't retain Wright. He is durable for what he has done during his short time with the Grizzlies. Best of luck with the Mavericks.


I also think Wright is a better player than Jones at the same price point. Memphis may not share that opinion but I'm trying to make sense of this because I also don't see Minnesota not matching Jones offer sheet. It should be noted, Wright being the RFA in trade, was the primary target of the Gasol trade, where Jonas was the UFA & unexpected surprise that they could have lost to FA. While I acknowledge things/opinions change, I doubt without Ja playing a minute that Memphis would sour so quick on Wright to look for a similar priced alternative.

Assuming Minnesota don't match, they'll have an expiring Teague & no real path to improving their PG situation other than lucking out in the draft. Falling well short of their goal to appease Kat this offseason in targeting Russell. Potentially coming up empty, with an expiring Teague.

My instincts have me thinking this could be a play to force a Wiggins + better asset dump. Minnesota need to get that contract off their books to field a better team around Kat, sooner than later. Memphis with their offer sheet to Jones have put a finger on a pressure point where Minnesota have no viable PG or skirt the luxury tax.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#395 » by BarbaGrizz » Mon Jul 8, 2019 7:12 pm

I like the Jones-Wright swap. Jones fits our timeline better and will groom together with Ja, JJJ, Clarke and Bruno. Also I feel he's the best ball handler and passer (with Wright been better in all other aspects of the game).
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Post#396 » by SD2042 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 11:28 pm

Whole Truth wrote:
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Whole Truth wrote:Memphis S & Traded Delon for 3/29.

Out Conley, Delon, Carter in Ja & Melton.

Even in a sink or swim situation, rookie Ja coming off of surgury & Melton seems pretty thin without Delon.

I wonder if there's a short term vet PG coming back in trade to help stabblize the position?.


The Grizzlies need to get a PG. I am somewhat disappointed that they didn't retain Wright. He is durable for what he has done during his short time with the Grizzlies. Best of luck with the Mavericks.


I also think Wright is a better player than Jones at the same price point. Memphis may not share that opinion but I'm trying to make sense of this because I also don't see Minnesota not matching Jones offer sheet. It should be noted, Wright being the RFA in trade, was the primary target of the Gasol trade, where Jonas was the UFA & unexpected surprise that they could have lost to FA. While I acknowledge things/opinions change, I doubt without Ja playing a minute that Memphis would sour so quick on Wright to look for a similar priced alternative.

Assuming Minnesota don't match, they'll have an expiring Teague & no real path to improving their PG situation other than lucking out in the draft. Falling well short of their goal to appease Kat this offseason in targeting Russell. Potentially coming up empty, with an expiring Teague.

My instincts have me thinking this could be a play to force a Wiggins + better asset dump. Minnesota need to get that contract off their books to field a better team around Kat, sooner than later. Memphis with their offer sheet to Jones have put a finger on a pressure point where Minnesota have no viable PG or skirt the luxury tax.


I forgot that the Wolves have Shabazz Napier as part of the three way trade with the Nets and Warriors from last Monday's trade involving DLo and Durant. They will need to invest in a third guard in the event an injury takes place for insurance purposes.
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Post#397 » by Whole Truth » Tue Jul 9, 2019 3:34 pm

With Clippers reported interest in Iggy, their need at centre & the fact Howard hasn't been waived.

Memphis trade - (Iggy, Howard) 22.7m

Clippers trade - (Harkless, Robinson, MaM) 18.8m

4m cap shed

Robinson & MaM TE's, Memphis create an 11m TPE in the same way Crowders contract created a TE with Utah.
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Post#398 » by Whole Truth » Tue Jul 9, 2019 3:47 pm

With that 11m TPE Memphis can take Robinson 10.7m from OKC into it.

Wiggins + Teague = 46.5m

Westbrook + Robinson = 48.5m

Memphis could help facilitate a deal with Minnesota & OKC.


Memphis - (11m TPE) for (Robinson 10.7m)


Memphis trade - (Robinson, Anderson, Crowder) for (Wiggins, (Culver - zero rated or FRP?))

OKC trade - (Westbrook, (Robinson into TPE)) for (Teague, Anderson, (FRP or Culver?)) shed roughly 11m w pick, 5m w Culver

Minnesota trade - (Wiggins, Teague, Culver, FRP) for (Russell, Robinson, Crowder)

Reason I sent the pick to Minnesota instead of Culver is that it sheds more salary to help OKC avoid the luxury tax in their attempt to rebuild.
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Post#399 » by Whole Truth » Tue Jul 9, 2019 4:02 pm

SD2042 wrote:I forgot that the Wolves have Shabazz Napier as part of the three way trade with the Nets and Warriors from last Monday's trade involving DLo and Durant. They will need to invest in a third guard in the event an injury takes place for insurance purposes.


Minnesota picked up a 3rd guard off of waivers.
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Post#400 » by Whole Truth » Tue Jul 9, 2019 7:52 pm

Cavs being mentioned as a 3rd team with Heat & OKC.

Have to assume they're after Smiths non guaranteed contract, which is roughly 10-11m cap space.

Is this potentially why Memphis want Iggy to leave 10m on the table?.

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I still believe they drafted him to dump Wiggins on a rebuilding team that needs a SG. If he plays in the summer league & struggles he could lose some of his unknown value.

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