Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides

[mpharris36]

I would trade Payton and run with DSJ starting and Frank as back up though

That's just cause you're scared Payton might beat out DSJ for the starting job

I don't know, I don't dislike the idea of Payton, he's a legitimately good passer if nothing else, and he has chemistry with Randle. It's worth a shot off the bench, he's only 24. Feel like we need a pure point somewhere on the roster

Payton is ok but he’s also on a one year deal. He has no future here at the end of the day. Think it would be smarter to try to develop Frank.

Payton ain’t beating Smiff tho

in theory with Payton on a 1+1 him and smith have basically similar tragetory in terms of time here.

DSJ has more potential but Payton is more impact ready now. The question is they both bring similar things to the table offensively and neither fits ideally next to the other starters IMO.

[Capn'O]

kawhi has taken so long i've lost interest.

He's that dude when you're ordering pizza and everyone else decided like 20 minutes ago what to get and he's still looking at the menu.

this is my lady. she complained the line was too short for ice cream last night and she didn't have enough time to decide. also, morgenstern's ice cream is the greatest ice cream on the planet. don't @ me.

The worst will be if he just gets what he always gets (goes back to the Raptors).

[King of Canada]

If we do trade with them I could see it being for Bomba.
They don’t seem to be in love with him and even with the power forward haul we still only have one traditional center in Mitch. They have Vucci, Birch and Moz. Maybe they buy out Moz but they’re about to spend $100M on Vucci. I doubt they want to spend more on center. And they love Birch.

Honestly just keep Frank BUT if I’m Scott I need to have a conversation with my coach and the player and find out if they’re best for each other. I honestly think Frank has silently asked out making most of this moot.

If we trade him I think he ends up in Detroit for Thon Maker. We give them Dot, they send Khyri (the media has jokes) Thomas and a protected 1st.

bomba has been a pretty big disappointment. but i still don't think you can get him for frank.

We'd have to send some sort of pick/picks to make an offer for Bamba. No idea how they feel about or value him in Orlando.

[newyorker4ever]

He gone...

I wonder if there have been more setbacks on the Fultz front.

At this point, I almost want Frank to get traded to a situation where he will get playing time and make something of his NBA career

I like the kid and don't want him to rot on our bench. And he would. Fiz is not going to play him

Change of scenery will give him a chance IMO

I love the kid and want him to play well to but i seriously cannot handle the NY media and all we'd be hearing from them. They're gonna hit us hard before Frank even plays a game for the Magic but it will be every time he locks down the guy he's defending or gets a steal or hits a 3 pointer or has a 17 point game. It will be for anything good Frank does. I hate the NY media so much man.

[god shammgod]

He's that dude when you're ordering pizza and everyone else decided like 20 minutes ago what to get and he's still looking at the menu.

this is my lady. she complained the line was too short for ice cream last night and she didn't have enough time to decide. also, morgenstern's ice cream is the greatest ice cream on the planet. don't @ me.

The worst will be if he just gets what he always gets (goes back to the Raptors).

on a 1 & 1 so he can do this all again next year.

and what's funny is, both l.a. teams and us will keep that cap room open just in case. they'll let him do this again.

[mpharris36]

kawhi has taken so long i've lost interest.

He's that dude when you're ordering pizza and everyone else decided like 20 minutes ago what to get and he's still looking at the menu.

this is my lady. she complained the line was too short for ice cream last night and she didn't have enough time to decide. also, morgenstern's ice cream is the greatest ice cream on the planet. don't @ me.

your coming to the organized group game right?

you are sitting between me and rasho

[newyorker4ever]

Why are we trading Frank right now?? You wait to see how he comes back this off season first.

They're not going to play him.

which is a mistake over the current roster...he has the most potential in terms of his outside shot out of any of the PG's to play off the ball with RJ and Randle. Plus he is clearly the best defensive guard on the roster...which this team sorely needs guys who defends because outside of Mitch this team will be a disaster on the defensive end.

We have other guys that play defense besides just Mitch with K.Allen, R.Bullock, D.Dotson, W.Ellington, T.Gibson but none of them play defense like Frank does. K.Allen ain't no slouch though and i don't think Dotson gets enough credit for his defense.

[god shammgod]

He's that dude when you're ordering pizza and everyone else decided like 20 minutes ago what to get and he's still looking at the menu.

this is my lady. she complained the line was too short for ice cream last night and she didn't have enough time to decide. also, morgenstern's ice cream is the greatest ice cream on the planet. don't @ me.

your coming to the organized group game right?

you are sitting between me and rasho

what ? i missed this

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Not for nothing, I hope people aren’t just assuming Dot’s safe. His standing here after the free agent adds is just as much in question as Frank.

Yep. If he starts out cold, he might get buried for a few months.

I’d take it a step further and say he’s traded (or worse, cut/option declined) before camp.

You don’t spend on Bullock and Ellington when you have RJ, Knox and Trier as core pieces...if Dot has a spot. He has value I think. But I don’t know how it all works with the option and if he can get traded. I just have a gut feeling he’s not gonna be here to start camp.

Let’s not act like Fiz reaaally allowed him to “keep what he killed”. Dude was juggled in and out with no rhyme or reason. Moreso than any player considering how consistently he played.

[newyorker4ever]

Im only fine with this if we land an asset

The Magic has their own 2020 1st and 2nd round picks along with the Lakers 2020 2nd round pick. What is interesting is that the Magic don't have any cap space so they can't simply absorb Frank's contract without the Knicks taking someone back. Well not unless they find a 3rd team with cap a player that can be absorb one of the Magic's contracts.

It'll be DJ and a pick with DJ getting waived

DJ Augustine? He actually played pretty well for them last year for what he is.

[mpharris36]

this is my lady. she complained the line was too short for ice cream last night and she didn't have enough time to decide. also, morgenstern's ice cream is the greatest ice cream on the planet. don't @ me.

your coming to the organized group game right?

you are sitting between me and rasho

what ? i missed this

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1866948

[3toheadmelo]

That's just cause you're scared Payton might beat out DSJ for the starting job

I don't know, I don't dislike the idea of Payton, he's a legitimately good passer if nothing else, and he has chemistry with Randle. It's worth a shot off the bench, he's only 24. Feel like we need a pure point somewhere on the roster

Payton is ok but he’s also on a one year deal. He has no future here at the end of the day. Think it would be smarter to try to develop Frank.

Payton ain’t beating Smiff tho

in theory with Payton on a 1+1 him and smith have basically similar tragetory in terms of time here.

DSJ has more potential but Payton is more impact ready now. The question is they both bring similar things to the table offensively and neither fits ideally next to the other starters IMO.

At least we have DSJ’s bird rights. I like DSJ the most with the starting lineup. We gonna be running all day. Just by him being a threat as a scorer, he’s going to be drawing the defense and creating open looks for the team. Plus he can hold his own defensively. It’s gonna be his job to lose

[King of Canada]

The Magic has their own 2020 1st and 2nd round picks along with the Lakers 2020 2nd round pick. What is interesting is that the Magic don't have any cap space so they can't simply absorb Frank's contract without the Knicks taking someone back. Well not unless they find a 3rd team with cap a player that can be absorb one of the Magic's contracts.

It'll be DJ and a pick with DJ getting waived

DJ Augustine? He actually played pretty well for them last year for what he is.

Just because of matching salary and the fact that he's expiring. We probably wouldn't keep an extra pg. Who knows, maybe we would and then move him at the deadline if somebody needs a body.

[taj2133]

Not for nothing, I hope people aren’t just assuming Dot’s safe. His standing here after the free agent adds is just as much in question as Frank.

Yep. If he starts out cold, he might get buried for a few months.

I’d take it a step further and say he’s traded (or worse, cut/option declined) before camp.

You don’t spend on Bullock and Ellington when you have RJ, Knox and Trier as core pieces...if Dot has a spot. He has value I think. But I don’t know how it all works with the option and if he can get traded. I just have a gut feeling he’s not gonna be here to start camp.

Let’s not act like Fiz reaaally allowed him to “keep what he killed”. Dude was juggled in and out with no rhyme or reason. Moreso than any player considering how consistently he played.

Dotson contract option will be picked up by the knicks for 2019-2020 season according berman.

Read on Twitter

[WargamesX]

You guys realize you are all basically doing Frank Trade fan fiction at this point.......

[makeitstop]

You guys realize you are all basically doing Frank Trade fan fiction at this point.......

Until Kawhi announces there ain't a whole lot else to do.

[WargamesX]

Yep. If he starts out cold, he might get buried for a few months.

I’d take it a step further and say he’s traded (or worse, cut/option declined) before camp.

You don’t spend on Bullock and Ellington when you have RJ, Knox and Trier as core pieces...if Dot has a spot. He has value I think. But I don’t know how it all works with the option and if he can get traded. I just have a gut feeling he’s not gonna be here to start camp.

Let’s not act like Fiz reaaally allowed him to “keep what he killed”. Dude was juggled in and out with no rhyme or reason. Moreso than any player considering how consistently he played.

Dotson contract option will be picked up by the knicks for 2019-2020 season according berman.

Read on Twitter

Its been about a decade so I understand ya'll forgetting but there is this thing called "quality" depth. I think that is the plan this year...... so I don't think anyone gets cut if they have shown any potential.

[Richard4444]

Magic dont have cap space. To make any trade for picks works they would to give Iwundu and Frasier to match 175% of Franks salary.

[taj2133]

Payton is ok but he’s also on a one year deal. He has no future here at the end of the day. Think it would be smarter to try to develop Frank.

Payton ain’t beating Smiff tho

in theory with Payton on a 1+1 him and smith have basically similar tragetory in terms of time here.

DSJ has more potential but Payton is more impact ready now. The question is they both bring similar things to the table offensively and neither fits ideally next to the other starters IMO.

At least we have DSJ’s bird rights. I like DSJ the most with the starting lineup. We gonna be running all day. Just by him being a threat as a scorer, he’s going to be drawing the defense and creating open looks for the team. Plus he can hold his own defensively. It’s gonna be his job to lose

Lets be real here if frank doesn't have a good camp he is probably not going to play this season. Also if the knicks are thinking about going to the playoffs franks development will be put on hold out of all young players frank has the most uncertainty on this roster. I think the knicks should trade frank for a vet center like jon henson or trade frank to team like the bucks, thunder, rockets, or blazers that need guard depth.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Yep. If he starts out cold, he might get buried for a few months.

I’d take it a step further and say he’s traded (or worse, cut/option declined) before camp.

You don’t spend on Bullock and Ellington when you have RJ, Knox and Trier as core pieces...if Dot has a spot. He has value I think. But I don’t know how it all works with the option and if he can get traded. I just have a gut feeling he’s not gonna be here to start camp.

Let’s not act like Fiz reaaally allowed him to “keep what he killed”. Dude was juggled in and out with no rhyme or reason. Moreso than any player considering how consistently he played.

Dotson contract option will be picked up by the knicks for 2019-2020 season according berman.

Read on Twitter

I wonder if he’s eligible to be traded immediately after his option is picked up.