WOJ: Julius Randle 3/63M (Team Option)

[blanko]

if there's any truth to the knicks passing on a meeting with kawhi because they were afraid of missing out on randle, the front office should have been fired on the spot.

He wasnt coming here anyway

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[Chanel Bomber]

if there's any truth to the knicks passing on a meeting with kawhi because they were afraid of missing out on randle, the front office should have been fired on the spot.

We were 4th on his list and according to some the Knicks were told it was a long-shot.

Scott Perry and Steve Mills were right to activate plan B immediately and secure Randle. They went out and signed some shooters too, which we desperately needed.

The debate though should be whether we should have kept the remaining capspace for a 5% chance of signing Kawhi or for building the rest of the team (Portis, Payton, Gibson etc.). I think you can make a case for both approaches.

Nothing like a fireable offense though, come on

[iLLmatic860]

I feel like Randle can have a borderline all star type season this year

[HarthorneWingo]

I'd like RJ to be in the starting lineup with Randle because of their passing prowess. Hopefully, we'll see some really good ball movement. Then add Mitch's Rolling Thunder dunks!!!

[Nazrmohamed]

if there's any truth to the knicks passing on a meeting with kawhi because they were afraid of missing out on randle, the front office should have been fired on the spot.

We were 4th on his list and according to some the Knicks were told it was a long-shot.

Scott Perry and Steve Mills were right to activate plan B immediately and secure Randle. They went out and signed some shooters too, which we desperately needed.

The debate though should be whether we should have kept the remaining capspace for a 5% chance of signing Kawhi or for building the rest of the team (Portis, Payton, Gibson etc.). I think you can make a case for both approaches.

Nothing like a fireable offense though, come on

Problem with this argument is really that we had 70mil to spend. We couldve signed Randall and still taken the meeting. The plan B we spurned Kawhi for was TajGibson, Portis and Reggie Bullock. Whilst our own FAs resigned for like a combined 10m.

.....and we added no draft picks. In theory we couldve been one of these teams waiting for Kawhi, get spurned and still have landed Randall and filled the roster for less mind you with the scraps who are still left around the league. They'd all have had thier egos crushed and will probably be signing for vet minimums and what not. Some players being waived by teams would give us more than what we should expect from Wayne Ellington next season.

[DrCoach]

Randle will have a better season than Zion

You would hope so. He's not a teenage rookie.

This shouldn't be a revelation.

Many players who are not teenage rookies will not have a better season than Zion.

That shouldn’t be a point of reference

[Magutier114]

I was initially upset about Knicks moves this off season but the more I thought about it I came to conclusion that they were the right moves for Knicks. I don’t think Kyrie and KD will bring a chip to the Nets. I don’t think that duo is better than Kawhi and PG or Lebron and AD. By continuing to work on putting together a team is the right move for now and collecting assets.

[Infinitimind]

I was initially upset about Knicks moves this off season but the more I thought about it I came to conclusion that they were the right moves for Knicks. I don’t think Kyrie and KD will bring a chip to the Nets. I don’t think that duo is better than Kawhi and PG or Lebron and AD. By continuing to work on putting together a team is the right move for now and collecting assets.

I don’t agreed with all the Knicks offseason moves. I do like the randel, Portis and Bullock pick up. But I think Payton and Taj wasn't necessary. We already have a gut at the guards spots.

[EL CABRITO]

I feel like Randle can have a borderline all star type season this year

He's gonna get us some badly needed buckets that's for sure.. in hindsight the Knicks did pretty good seeing how all of the big name guys had pretty much decided to go anywhere but here. He'll shine here especially if he can continue to score 21 points a game.

[N8isScofield]

I really hope he does well here and I appreciate the fact that he seems excited about the opportunity but to me it smacks of David Lee all over again. He'll put up some good albeit empty stats on a bad team while playing very little defense and be generally well liked because of his effort and professionalism. That's about it.

[Infinitimind]

if there's any truth to the knicks passing on a meeting with kawhi because they were afraid of missing out on randle, the front office should have been fired on the spot.

We were 4th on his list and according to some the Knicks were told it was a long-shot.

Scott Perry and Steve Mills were right to activate plan B immediately and secure Randle. They went out and signed some shooters too, which we desperately needed.

The debate though should be whether we should have kept the remaining capspace for a 5% chance of signing Kawhi or for building the rest of the team (Portis, Payton, Gibson etc.). I think you can make a case for both approaches.

Nothing like a fireable offense though, come on

Problem with this argument is really that we had 70mil to spend. We couldve signed Randall and still taken the meeting. The plan B we spurned Kawhi for was TajGibson, Portis and Reggie Bullock. Whilst our own FAs resigned for like a combined 10m.

.....and we added no draft picks. In theory we couldve been one of these teams waiting for Kawhi, get spurned and still have landed Randall and filled the roster for less mind you with the scraps who are still left around the league. They'd all have had thier egos crushed and will probably be signing for vet minimums and what not. Some players being waived by teams would give us more than what we should expect from Wayne Ellington next season.

He didn’t want to come here and the team believe we have enough young talents wants to try to put them in a winning environment. I just feel added Payton is to many guards. But let’s see what happens

[Sark]

Randle will have a better season than Zion

You would hope so. He's not a teenage rookie.

This shouldn't be a revelation.

Many players who are not teenage rookies will not have a better season than Zion.

That shouldn’t be a point of reference

Ron Arrest had a better year in 04 than Lebron James. What difference does that make?

It's nonsensical to even put them in the same conversation, just as it's nonsensical to compare Randle to Zion.

[DrCoach]

You would hope so. He's not a teenage rookie.

This shouldn't be a revelation.

Many players who are not teenage rookies will not have a better season than Zion.

That shouldn’t be a point of reference

Ron Arrest had a better year in 04 than Lebron James. What difference does that make?

It's nonsensical to even put them in the same conversation, just as it's nonsensical to compare Randle to Zion.

It’s not, Zion hasn’t played a Real NBA game. Randle is a 20/10 NBA player.

Artist did not have a better 04 yr than LeBron

[Sark]

Many players who are not teenage rookies will not have a better season than Zion.

That shouldn’t be a point of reference

Ron Arrest had a better year in 04 than Lebron James. What difference does that make?

It's nonsensical to even put them in the same conversation, just as it's nonsensical to compare Randle to Zion.

It’s not, Zion hasn’t played a Real NBA game. Randle is a 20/10 NBA player.

Artist did not have a better 04 yr than LeBron

Ron Artest made All NBA 3rd team.

There's more to basketball than offense.

[DrCoach]

Ron Arrest had a better year in 04 than Lebron James. What difference does that make?

It's nonsensical to even put them in the same conversation, just as it's nonsensical to compare Randle to Zion.

It’s not, Zion hasn’t played a Real NBA game. Randle is a 20/10 NBA player.

Artist did not have a better 04 yr than LeBron

Ron Artest made All NBA 3rd team.

There's more to basketball than offense.

LeBron avg 27/7/7

[Sark]

It’s not, Zion hasn’t played a Real NBA game. Randle is a 20/10 NBA player.

Artist did not have a better 04 yr than LeBron

Ron Artest made All NBA 3rd team.

There's more to basketball than offense.

LeBron avg 27/7/7

Not his rookie year he didn't.

[KnicksGadfly]

I was initially upset about Knicks moves this off season but the more I thought about it I came to conclusion that they were the right moves for Knicks. I don’t think Kyrie and KD will bring a chip to the Nets. I don’t think that duo is better than Kawhi and PG or Lebron and AD. By continuing to work on putting together a team is the right move for now and collecting assets.

I agree with all of this except the part where the Knicks were collecting assets. We're definitely not. For some reason, FO thought collecting assets and competing were mutually exclusive.

[DrCoach]

I was initially upset about Knicks moves this off season but the more I thought about it I came to conclusion that they were the right moves for Knicks. I don’t think Kyrie and KD will bring a chip to the Nets. I don’t think that duo is better than Kawhi and PG or Lebron and AD. By continuing to work on putting together a team is the right move for now and collecting assets.

I agree with all of this except the part where the Knicks were collecting assets. We're definitely not. For some reason, FO thought collecting assets and competing were mutually exclusive.

We def are collecting assets, not picks thou.

3 Vet shooters
3 Young players entering prime

All on tradable contracts

[BKlutch]

I was initially upset about Knicks moves this off season but the more I thought about it I came to conclusion that they were the right moves for Knicks. I don’t think Kyrie and KD will bring a chip to the Nets. I don’t think that duo is better than Kawhi and PG or Lebron and AD. By continuing to work on putting together a team is the right move for now and collecting assets.

Very perceptive (especially for a ballboy )
This year, the Nets may not be better than last year, with Flat Earth replacing DAR.
Next year, with KD back, the Nets will be into the playoffs mid level, or possibly reach the East Finals now that Kawhi is out West. But they won't beat LAC or LAL or even the Warriors.

And how are they positioned for the future? Returning KD will be 32, and while maybe better than aged Melo, he won't be 100% after surgery. So they will need another star. And we don't know for sure that Kyrie and KD will work out much better than CP3 and the Beard.

[BKlutch]

Randle is still improving. If his defense also improves, he may be a PF on a successful team if surrounded by stars. If anything, SL should show all of us that the newbie kids can't play that well in the first year or two. I mean, except for a few dunks, how great exactly did Zion look? He got blocked 3 times by Mitch, once on a 3 pt shot. He was actually slow, as Mitch closed a large gap to block that.

I"m sure Zion will look better in the future. He's just a pre-rookie. Our team has a bunch of kids. Even Mitch, who only had 1 year in the NBA after zero years in college, will improve. RJ had a poor shooting game, and he will improve.

So what's the point? If we want to win, we need a few experienced players. The good news is we got them on very favorable, short term contracts while they're young. If they improve a lot, we will keep them. If they don't, our cap space comes back to us next year. But Randle looks like he might stay a while.