Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

[payitforward]

Right. It would be nuts to trade them straight up, but that doesn't mean it would be impossible to build a package of other assets that was very tempting along w/ Siakam.

[penbeast0]

Just for the sick to the stomach type though of it, I posted the question on the T&T board, "How many firsts would it take for Washington to consider dealing Beal for Wiggins straight up?" The contracts match reasonably well for the first three years and Wiggins is as bad a player as can be imagined to still have some upside while Beal is at the top of his value. I'm thinking at least 3 unprotected 1sts or 2 and a couple of top 10 protected at least . . . and still might not do it. But Wiggins is almost the perfect tank commander player if his contract were just shorter; as it is, it aligns with Wall's if the whole "find a team with enough cap space for 2-3 max deals and get 3 superstars who want to play together" is still a thing in 5 years.

On the other hand, 5 years of Wiggins.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1867290

Even 3 unprotected firsts wouldn't interest me. "Unprotected" sounds great, but a team with Beal and KAT isn't finishing at the bottom of the lottery anytime soon. I'm not trading Beal for what is likely to be the 17th, 21st and 23rd pick in the 2020, 2022 and 2024 drafts respectively.

I'm not so sure. With three of them and the chance of injury, at least one should turn out to be pretty good and with Minnesota being a historically incompetent franchise, there's a better than average chance they screw it up and KAT and Beal might leave at the end of their contracts leaving us with some high draft picks as Wall and Wiggins finally expire.

Value wise, 3 unprotected Minnesota 1sts sounds like at least within shouting distance of correct; the problem is that I'm not sure I can stomach watching Wiggins jack his way around on my favorite team for 5 friggin years. It's the process taken to an extreme and remember, Hinkie never got another NBA GM job despite his success.

[nate33]

Just for the sick to the stomach type though of it, I posted the question on the T&T board, "How many firsts would it take for Washington to consider dealing Beal for Wiggins straight up?" The contracts match reasonably well for the first three years and Wiggins is as bad a player as can be imagined to still have some upside while Beal is at the top of his value. I'm thinking at least 3 unprotected 1sts or 2 and a couple of top 10 protected at least . . . and still might not do it. But Wiggins is almost the perfect tank commander player if his contract were just shorter; as it is, it aligns with Wall's if the whole "find a team with enough cap space for 2-3 max deals and get 3 superstars who want to play together" is still a thing in 5 years.

On the other hand, 5 years of Wiggins.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1867290

Even 3 unprotected firsts wouldn't interest me. "Unprotected" sounds great, but a team with Beal and KAT isn't finishing at the bottom of the lottery anytime soon. I'm not trading Beal for what is likely to be the 17th, 21st and 23rd pick in the 2020, 2022 and 2024 drafts respectively.

I'm not so sure. With three of them and the chance of injury, at least one should turn out to be pretty good and with Minnesota being a historically incompetent franchise, there's a better than average chance they screw it up and KAT and Beal might leave at the end of their contracts leaving us with some high draft picks as Wall and Wiggins finally expire.

Value wise, 3 unprotected Minnesota 1sts sounds like at least within shouting distance of correct; the problem is that I'm not sure I can stomach watching Wiggins jack his way around on my favorite team for 5 friggin years. It's the process taken to an extreme and remember, Hinkie never got another NBA GM job despite his success.

Even if Minnesota has injury issues or does something stupid, they're not going to suck. They'll just miss the playoffs and end up with the 12th pick in the draft. I'm not trading Beal for the 17th, 21st and 12th picks either.

[gambitx777]

Beal should not and will not be traded until he goes to Ted and says he wants out. No package would make me move him until he does so.

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[TGW]

I imagine the thunder are going to make a push for Beal with the draft picks they just got from the clippers. The wizards should consider it if it happens.

[queridiculo]

Half a decade worth of picks that project in the late 20s? Doesn't sound that appealing to me.

SGA is an interesting prospect, but he's practically in the same tier as the Wizards 2018 lottery selection TBJ.

That would be a hard pass from me.

[Dark Faze]

Half a decade worth of picks that project in the late 20s? Doesn't sound that appealing to me.

SGA is an interesting prospect, but he's practically in the same tier as the Wizards 2018 lottery selection TBJ.

That would be a hard pass from me.

Eh I'd rank Shai higher than Brown by a decent bit, but see him as maybe one or two time selected all-star if in the right spot as his ceiling.

Agree that the Wiz should be looking for a flurry of nearer term picks than something spread out over such a significant amount of time. The issue with the clips picks too is that the team could still be very very good in 5 years time given the ages of the players involved. We're talking a 33 and 34 year old Kawhi and George respectively. A lot can happen of course--Kawhi's health is pretty suspect.

[Dark Faze]

I imagine the thunder are going to make a push for Beal with the draft picks they just got from the clippers. The wizards should consider it if it happens.

I mean maybe...but they've got to realize the jig is up at this point. Using your haul to acquire Beal, only for him to potentially get annoyed/fed up with Westbrook and then not extend himself would be disastrous.

I expect Westbrook to be moved soon. The Kings/Suns are a decent bet for it I'd think.

[nate33]

I imagine the thunder are going to make a push for Beal with the draft picks they just got from the clippers. The wizards should consider it if it happens.

I mean maybe...but they've got to realize the jig is up at this point. Using your haul to acquire Beal, only for him to potentially get annoyed/fed up with Westbrook and then not extend himself would be disastrous.

I expect Westbrook to be moved soon. The Kings/Suns are a decent bet for it I'd think.

Agreed. OKC needs to rebuild. They now have the means to do it quickly and successfully. If they can trade Westbrook for a shorter contract, they should do it.

[nate33]

What we need if for Beal to make another incremental leap and get to the Paul George tier. Then we need a star like Kawhi to say: I'll join your team if you can find a way to trade for Bradley Beal!

Looking down the road, the only upcoming free agent I see with the clout to make such a demand would be Giannis.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I imagine the thunder are going to make a push for Beal with the draft picks they just got from the clippers. The wizards should consider it if it happens.

I mean maybe...but they've got to realize the jig is up at this point. Using your haul to acquire Beal, only for him to potentially get annoyed/fed up with Westbrook and then not extend himself would be disastrous.

I expect Westbrook to be moved soon. The Kings/Suns are a decent bet for it I'd think.

Agreed. OKC needs to rebuild. They now have the means to do it quickly and successfully. If they can trade Westbrook for a shorter contract, they should do it.

Wizards could sign Beal to extension & then trade.

But even without , Beal would give the Thunder a solid 2 year window with possibly the best backcourt in the NBA. And don't forget they add another high level player in Gallinari.

If they trade SGA & 3 1st rounders for Beal, they come away with a pretty massive haul for George... Beal, Gallinari, 2 1st round picks.

Next year's team won't miss a beat post PG...

Westbrook, Beal, Grant, Gallinari, Adams... bench including Schroder, Bazley (their 2019 1st round pick), Muscala, etc.

Plus they still are very well stocked on future draft picks moving forward....

There is no reason for them to panic and blow it up, unlike us. That team can challenge anyone next year.


Wizards come away with SGA, and 3 1st round picks. to add to a rebuild already including Hachimura, Bryant, Troy Brown Jr, Admiral Scofield, Wagner, etc.

And this year's team with so much youth is bound for a top 3 pick in next year's draft.

I think this is ideal move all the way around.

[prime1time]

What we need if for Beal to make another incremental leap and get to the Paul George tier. Then we need a star like Kawhi to say: I'll join your team if you can find a way to trade for Bradley Beal!

Looking down the road, the only upcoming free agent I see with the clout to make such a demand would be Giannis.

We need Beal to make another leap. We need to trade away John Wall. Then we need Bradley to recruit another star. Ideally Giannis.

[FAH1223]

If Beal wanted to be traded, it would have happened already.

[nate33]

A really intriguing trade I'd like to see now would be Golden State sending D'Angelo Russell somewhere for a couple of good forwards.

Something like Russell to OKC for Gallinari and Jerami Grant would make sense for both teams, particularly if OKC trades Westbrook for cap relief.

I really want to see Golden State bring back the pre-Durant team: Curry, Klay and Draymond surrounded by good 3&D players. Gallinari would play the Harrison Barnes role as a nominal SF who slides over to PF when Draymond plays center. Grant replaces Iguadola (albeit without the ball handling). Looney is the starting center.

[nate33]

This is interesting:

Read on Twitter

From the article:

It is unlikely that Washington would have gotten the same haul that the Thunder did for George if the Wizards moved forward in the conversation. This also would have been a move that the Clippers were attempting to execute before the start of free agency on July 1. Leonard apparently made it clear that the only way he was moving to the Clippers was with George.

So I guess the package would have been nothing like the Paul George package because the talks weren't at the behest of Kawhi. Damn. If we could have gotten that Paul George package, I would have been all over it! And then flipped Gallo for even more!

[dckingsfan]

So I guess the package would have been nothing like the Paul George package because the talks weren't at the behest of Kawhi. Damn. If we could have gotten that Paul George package, I would have been all over it! And then flipped Gallo for even more!

This! Four unprotected first-round picks, one protected first-round pick and two pick swaps -- Shai Gilgeious-Alexander and Danilo Gallinari. Yep - flip Gallinari. You have your PG of the future. And you are in massive rebuild with two firsts every other year.

But George is quite a bit better right now. And it allows Kawhi to pay SG and George to play SF. They have Patrick Beverley at PG. Lou Williams and Landry Shamet solidify the backcourt. But they are weak in the FC. Only have Montrezl Harrell really.

Although there are still a lot of FA FC players still available.

[mhd]

I think Russ gets traded to Minny. Wiggins+Teague+future 1st for Russ+Roberson

[Illmatic12]

If Beal wanted to be traded, it would have happened already.

Yep , that much should be clear by now.

What’s happening nowadays is that agents and players are secretly tampering with stars on other teams to see if they’d be willing to demand a trade.

That’s how CP3 to Rockets went down, AD to Lakers, Butler to Heat, and now PG13 to Clips.

If Beal had a team in mind that he wanted to be traded to , he would already be talking to guys on that team and planning his exit strategy. Either he’s going to sign the extension or he asks to be traded right there and gives his wish list of destinations, and we’ll find out he was plotting it all along.

[gambitx777]

It's possible that Beal like DC and honestly likes the idea of staying.

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[FAH1223]

It's possible that Beal like DC and honestly likes the idea of staying.

Of course. He's been here for 7 years. He's raising a young family. He's said on more than one occasion he wants to be here. But he also wants to contend.