Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides

[mpharris36]

The only difference between Perry and Phil is Perry isn't signing guys for 4 years

Tell me I'm wrong

That's a major difference.

Is it really though?

We're still gonna be playing vets over youth to get to 30 wins instead of developing and letting the team win however many games the kids are good enough to win

Then trying to sell stars on the idea of coming to a 30 win team (which isn't really a 30 win team cause the guys that won 30 games are paid too much to be role players when we sign real guys) instead of relying on internal development

Like, seriously look at Brooklyn. Bad contracts for picks, good scouting, developing home grown talent, and they're the ones that ended up with KD and Kyrie, not us. Meanwhile we're going out and signing vets to overpriced contracts, and not old vets that have no problem sitting on the bench the entire year, middle age vets that want playing time so they can get their next big contract, or not taking fliers on really young guys who just want to prove themselves

I can't say I'm overall thrilled with how this year is going to play out...

[god shammgod]

pretty sure broussard said this too and some other actual names. most people seemed to think the clippers were out.

[mpharris36]

a lot of bad teams can play near .500 ball for a month or two and the east is terrible. the knicks got a bunch of shooting now and have a fast break team. there are so many wings that to play you're gonna have to hit shots or you're getting pulled. they'll start off the season decent. we did the 2 years before last year too.

they do though. it was obvious they wanted shooting with free agency. knox, portis, trier, bullock, ellington. randle will probably improve more. he went from 22.2 to 34.4 in 1 year. he'll shoot slightly better than league average next year.

and not one of the guys u mentioned above can defend a parked car....

[god shammgod]

they do though. it was obvious they wanted shooting with free agency. knox, portis, trier, bullock, ellington. randle will probably improve more. he went from 22.2 to 34.4 in 1 year. he'll shoot slightly better than league average next year.

and not one of the guys u mentioned above can defend a parked car....

i didn't say we could defend, i said we could shoot.

mitch is gonna have to hold it down for the team. they're gonna push everything towards the rim.

[KnicksGadfly]

I seriously question if Mills and Perry were prepared. Some of these salary dumps...teams got picks for expiring contracts that are better than the guys we signed for 2 year deals.

[mpharris36]

they do though. it was obvious they wanted shooting with free agency. knox, portis, trier, bullock, ellington. randle will probably improve more. he went from 22.2 to 34.4 in 1 year. he'll shoot slightly better than league average next year.

and not one of the guys u mentioned above can defend a parked car....

i didn't say we could defend, i said we could shoot.

mitch is gonna have to hold it down for the team. they're gonna push everything towards the rim.

I think you are overestimating our shooting but we shall see. I don't see the light at the end of the tunnell with this roster...we hired a bunch of mercenaries... i doubt we see much "team" ball where all these guys came here to play for a future contract. That usually never works out.

[3toheadmelo]

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[god shammgod]

and not one of the guys u mentioned above can defend a parked car....

i didn't say we could defend, i said we could shoot.

mitch is gonna have to hold it down for the team. they're gonna push everything towards the rim.

I think you are overestimating our shooting but we shall see. I don't see the light at the end of the tunnell with this roster...we hired a bunch of mercenaries... i doubt we see much "team" ball where all these guys came here to play for a future contract. That usually never works out.

unless those guys lost the ability to shoot this year, the percentages say we're good. bobby portis shot 40 percent from 3 last year. bullock shoots 39 percent for his career. ellington 38 percent for his career. they're here because they can shoot and we needed that. look, i'm not precdicting the team will be good. it's hard to believe they'll be 5 games under .500 in the middle of december ? they did that every year before last year.

[DOT]

That's a major difference.

Is it really though?

We're still gonna be playing vets over youth to get to 30 wins instead of developing and letting the team win however many games the kids are good enough to win

Then trying to sell stars on the idea of coming to a 30 win team (which isn't really a 30 win team cause the guys that won 30 games are paid too much to be role players when we sign real guys) instead of relying on internal development

Like, seriously look at Brooklyn. Bad contracts for picks, good scouting, developing home grown talent, and they're the ones that ended up with KD and Kyrie, not us. Meanwhile we're going out and signing vets to overpriced contracts, and not old vets that have no problem sitting on the bench the entire year, middle age vets that want playing time so they can get their next big contract, or not taking fliers on really young guys who just want to prove themselves

We’re still doing this. We have like 6 young dudes.

Who are all gonna lose minutes to the guys we signed this year.

Randle's gonna get a ton of minutes being our big signing, Portis is gonna feel he deserves minutes based on his age and how much we're paying him, Ellington and Bullock are both young enough they'll want new contracts and are slight improvements over guys like Trier and Dot

Fiz is gonna rely on these guys to prop him up. Knox is now a full time SF (when he should be a PF), I'd be surprised if Dot and Trier get minutes over Ellington and Bullock, Mitch is gonna have his minutes eaten into by Randle, Portis, and Gibson, Frank's just not gonna play for us ever, and Payton's gunning for the starting job over DSJ

You're kidding yourself if you think we're not hot for that 30 win mark over everything else

[cgmw]

Hi, i’m here for the Westbrook trades

[snadler]

Cap space is meaningless, cost to acquire should be low, knicks goal is be competitive and respectable, why shouldn’t they be in on Westbrook

[Capn'O]

Kawhi is a straight G. Goddamn, that dude gives no ****.

[Triple C]

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[Thugger HBC]

Is it really though?

Yes, it really is. The majority of these signings go away after ONE season. Hard to understand how that is comparable to anything Phil did.

We're still gonna be playing vets over youth to get to 30 wins instead of developing and letting the team win however many games the kids are good enough to win

What vets are we referring to?

Then trying to sell stars on the idea of coming to a 30 win team (which isn't really a 30 win team cause the guys that won 30 games are paid too much to be role players when we sign real guys) instead of relying on internal development

They will be relying on internal development. I don't see RJ, Knox, Mitch and Trier minutes being hindered at all. Those three are the primary ones that Knicks are hinging on, the guys they brought in. Not saying the others wont get burn, they will.

The time to prove is now. If Smith can't win the job over Payton, then that's his reality. Dot basically is being replaced by RJ, but should get decent bench minutes.

Frank has little to zero role if he can't flash anything on offense. I'm not worried about Bullock and Ellington minutes.

Like, seriously look at Brooklyn. Bad contracts for picks, good scouting, developing home grown talent, and they're the ones that ended up with KD and Kyrie, not us. Meanwhile we're going out and signing vets to overpriced contracts, and not old vets that have no problem sitting on the bench the entire year, middle age vets that want playing time so they can get their next big contract, or not taking fliers on really young guys who just want to prove themselves

What's the end game there? To grab a headline. That worked for less than a week. Nobody really cares what Brooklyn did.

They aren't a title contender. They know it too. There goal is to fill up a building. Good luck.

Look at the reaction to what the Clippers pulled off vs Brooklyn. Y'all really giving a team that basically is a first round flop way too much credit just because of how far in the dungeon they were.

At absolute best Brooklyn will have multiple ('12-13 Knicks) seasons for the next 3 years maybe. Not impressed. Just not.

[NYKHardKnock]

Schroder -- SGA
Westbrook
Roberson -- Clarke
Gallanari -- Grant
Adams

**** ton of picks isn't so bad..

[snadler]

Do The Knicks even have the salaries to
Match a Westbrook salary dump?

[god shammgod]

i just realized. kawhi, george and beverly. god damn that defense.

[mpharris36]

i didn't say we could defend, i said we could shoot.

mitch is gonna have to hold it down for the team. they're gonna push everything towards the rim.

I think you are overestimating our shooting but we shall see. I don't see the light at the end of the tunnell with this roster...we hired a bunch of mercenaries... i doubt we see much "team" ball where all these guys came here to play for a future contract. That usually never works out.

unless those guys lost the ability to shoot this year, the percentages say we're good. bobby portis shot 40 percent from 3 last year. bullock shoots 39 percent for his career. ellington 38 percent for his career. they're here because they can shoot and we needed that. look, i'm not precdicting the team will be good. it's hard to believe they'll be 5 games under .500 in the middle of december ? they did that every year before last year.

julius randle is still our best player...that team overall is not that good. Also the guys you mentioned can shoot require someone to create for them and pass them the ball. And our PG situation is pretty meh to me.

[god shammgod]

i actually do think the clippers are better than the lakers now. the battle of la will be fun.

[mpharris36]

i just realized. kawhi, george and beverly. god damn that defense.

with shamat stretching the floor and lou williams as your 6h man. They just need another vet big to eat up minutes at the 5 to keep Harrell as the energy big of the bench.


But like you said that team is going to defend the sh*t out of the basketball and make shots..the exact opposite of our knicks.