Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

[soxperry]

Lol cmon man.

Why are we acting so salty because a pro athlete is believig in himself?

There is believing in yourself and then there is a significant lack of self awareness. He is what he is and everyone but him seems to know it.

No. You are being salty af about this situation. Talk about lack of seld awareness.

ohhhhhh ho ho, you got me!! sick burn bro

I'm on record before he let saying that he wasn't worth 20 million. I put his number at 15. He's just not a dynamic offensive player. Can't shoot the three when he's not wide open. Can't score wen the lane is clogged. Not a good ball handler, not a good passer.

So i'm okay with not matching. That we got anything in return was gravy.

I'm not enamored with a gimmicky, low volume 50/40/90 in a season cut short by injury.

[chonestown]

I have no inside info but my gut feeling is Brogdon wanted to handle the ball more. With the Bucks he'll always be the #3 or #4 ball handler after Bled, Giannis, and maybe Middleton. I think he just wants a bigger role and he believes he can be more of a PG than what the Bucks were going to give him.

Think about how different the situation will be in Indiana. He's going to go from just one of the shooters surrounding Giannis to their top scorer (until Dipo is back). If he can handle the load he could be a 20+ ppg guy, get all-star considerations and be some team's max overpay in 4 years. None of that was going to happen in Milwaukee.

He had incentives to want out.

It's the simplest, most reasonable, most realistic explanation. It doesn't generate content, and thusly, has scarcely been discussed.

[JEIS]

Even with the picks i’m having trouble justifying the decision to keep Bledsoe over Brogdon.

If we hadn’t already extended Bledsoe would they have made the same moves?

Coach Bud loves him some Bledsoe.

[Dick Tate]

I wonder if this thread will have Tobias level staying power?

[M-C-G]

This was a win-win as far as I am concerned....Brogdon got priced out of what we wanted to pay and for longer to pay based on his medicals. As a second round pick he wanted to maximize his earnings regardless, which he should, and Horst played Philly and Indy against each other to see how would offer more for us not to match.

This is probably the best possible RFA outcome I have ever seen for all parties. And I say this as a guy that would have kept Brogdon on that deal over Middleton on the 5 year 10 out of 10 times.

The segregation thing is a non issue, as is Brogdon's 'aloofness', this is just a story that ends well for all unless Pacers think they are going to expand Brogdog's role, then there is going to be some buyer remorse, especially when he doesn't have Giannis giving him all that spacing.

I honestly think Horst just played this extremely well.

[emunney]

I have no inside info but my gut feeling is Brogdon wanted to handle the ball more. With the Bucks he'll always be the #3 or #4 ball handler after Bled, Giannis, and maybe Middleton. I think he just wants a bigger role and he believes he can be more of a PG than what the Bucks were going to give him.

Think about how different the situation will be in Indiana. He's going to go from just one of the shooters surrounding Giannis to their top scorer (until Dipo is back). If he can handle the load he could be a 20+ ppg guy, get all-star considerations and be some team's max overpay in 4 years. None of that was going to happen in Milwaukee.

He had incentives to want out.

It's the simplest, most reasonable, most realistic explanation. It doesn't generate content, and thusly, has scarcely been discussed.

It also aligns with what Horst had said publicly about Thon: if somebody wants a change, we will work to find a situation that works for everyone

[Chuck Diesel]

That’s all well and good with Brogdon but we still could’ve/should’ve matched.

[Iheartfootball]

That’s all well and good with Brogdon but we still could’ve/should’ve matched.

Yeah, but if he wants more and you know he won’t be happy it’s not good for him or the team. It could be detrimental to chemistry and more.

[raferfenix]

That’s all well and good with Brogdon but we still could’ve/should’ve matched.

Yeah I totally understand why Brogdon would prefer to go to a team where he could handle the ball and score more.

But if the Bucks don’t acquire an upgrade then we should have just matched.

Otherwise the only reason not to was to save the owners money. And with Giannis’ extension decision pending and a championship window wide open it is a terrible time to be making decisions based on LED’s year to year profit margin.

[kid idioteque]

Vegas does not believe in this Pacers team AT ALL.

[Chuck Diesel]

That’s all well and good with Brogdon but we still could’ve/should’ve matched.

Yeah, but if he wants more and you know he won’t be happy it’s not good for him or the team. It could be detrimental to chemistry and more.

I think Brogdon is a smart/good enough dude and we have the infrastructure now where that doesn’t worry me. This isn’t a Charlie Bell moping to an already mopey Andrew Bogut, ready to play for their 3rd coach in three years in one of the worst arenas in the league. He’d have been getting 86 million to compete for a title with a (finally) stable organization. The disappointment would’ve faded imo.

[ackypoo]

I wonder if this thread will have Tobias level staying power?

Tobias was a bad win now move. This is fine. My guess is halfway through midseason we forget Brogdon was ever on this team.

[kid idioteque]

Yeah, this is a little depressing.

[bizarro]

So, looks like no TPE? Man. I hate this trade,

[Licensed to Il]

If ownership doesn't eventually go in to luxury tax land, they deserve all the criticism they are getting here. Of course, it is possible they will, and just didn’t think Brogdon was the move to justify it. Time will tell.

[ClassicJack]

Point guard. Lol.

[blazza18]

Pacers having Brogdon as a PG is 100% the reason why he's not a Buck.

So, looks like no TPE? Man. I hate this trade,

Ugh. I thought we had a cap expert!?

[MVP2110]

So can someone clarify. With this order of operations did we get a TPE?

[dogswithbeesintheirmouths]

Brogdons's not exactly a guy who wears his emotions on his sleeve, other than occasional frustration with himself. Compared to all the guys who are overly theatrical and howl and grunt and groan because they're obsessed with appearing to be a certain way, Malcom really doesn't give you anything. So saying he wasn't happy or didn't mesh or this or that is really just guessing.

He has his shortcomings, and you can replace most of his production, but it's not easy to match his efficiency. I would take Brogdon on the deal he got over Middleton or Bledsoe on their respective deals easily.

[Baddy Chuck]

I wish Brogdon nothing but the best and wish he was still on the Bucks.

And Brogdon.