Random Rumor and General Offseason Discussion Thread

[Slava]

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Unless the Grizzlies are willing to take on additional money, I don't see how they hope to find a deal for Iguodola when they got a pick to take him on in the first place.

[QRich3]

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Unless the Grizzlies are willing to take on additional money, I don't see how they hope to find a deal for Iguodola when they got a pick to take him on in the first place.

They should definitely be doing that though, if you can extract more assets from taking on more salary, that fits their plan to a T. If they can get a 1st by exchanging him for Dieng or Tim Hardaway, they should absolutely eat next year's salary of any of those guys.

Iguodala also has more value than his dead expiring salary, so before buying him out you can maybe trade him for someone like Reggie Jackson or Teague + asset, or maybe Biyombo + asset, Mozgov + asset, or even Denver for Plumlee + asset (forcing him back in Denver would be an awesome trolling tbh), and then buying out one of those guys at the same price.

Buying out a player with value just because he wants to join a contender in July wouldn't make a lot of sense really, it'd be losing value to do a favor to some guy that hasn't ever played for you.

[Eskobar13]

Layman to Minnesota 3 yrs 11.5M via S&T deal with Portland.

Could it be Tolliver S&T for Layman S&T so both keep their exceptions?

Nope.

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Wth am I missing here?

Layman last year was probably already a better player than Tolliver. 3/11.5M is absolutely nothing. Is it because of the shooting?

Man feels like Blazers defense has everything to turn right back to bottom 10 next year. Offense should be top-10 probably top-5 I guess.

[jbk1234]

Layman to Minnesota 3 yrs 11.5M via S&T deal with Portland.

Could it be Tolliver S&T for Layman S&T so both keep their exceptions?

Nope.

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Wth am I missing here?

Layman last year was probably already a better player than Tolliver. 3/11.5M is absolutely nothing. Is it because of the shooting?

Man feels like Blazers defense has everything to turn right back to bottom 10 next year. Offense should be top-10 probably top-5 I guess.

Whiteside and Bazemore are better defenders than the guys they were traded for.

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[Eskobar13]

Nope.

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Wth am I missing here?

Layman last year was probably already a better player than Tolliver. 3/11.5M is absolutely nothing. Is it because of the shooting?

Man feels like Blazers defense has everything to turn right back to bottom 10 next year. Offense should be top-10 probably top-5 I guess.

Whiteside and Bazemore are better defenders than the guys they were traded for.

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Whiteside is not a better defender than Nurkic though. Remains to be seen what level he is going to play at but I very much doubt he can anchor the defense like Nurk.

And Im not sure how big of an improvement Bazemore is over Turner. Some stats seem to really like Turner.

We'll see, but I think losing Aminu, Nurk and Harkless is being understated on that side of the ball.

Hopefully Zach Collins takes a leap as well.

[blind prophet]

Mason got waived, no word on Yogi yet.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/kings/kings-waive-point-guard-frank-mason-after-two-seasons-sacramento

[bleeds_purple]

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Unless the Grizzlies are willing to take on additional money, I don't see how they hope to find a deal for Iguodola when they got a pick to take him on in the first place.

Different situations. Memphis has more leverage than GS who had to dump Iggy. The value you get in a trade has more to it than the "actual" value of the player. It's all context-specific. If the rumors are true Iggy is going to sign with the Lakers if he has his way. So if Houston or any other team wants him, they will have to give up something.

[Snakebites]

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Unless the Grizzlies are willing to take on additional money, I don't see how they hope to find a deal for Iguodola when they got a pick to take him on in the first place.

Different situations. Memphis has more leverage than GS who had to dump Iggy. The value you get in a trade has more to it than the "actual" value of the player. It's all context-specific.

Leverage isn’t the only difference. The Warriors got free cap space in the trade, an asset the Grizzlies won’t be seeking. They can seek something else.

No idea what they can get, but it’s no harm looking.

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Unless the Grizzlies are willing to take on additional money, I don't see how they hope to find a deal for Iguodola when they got a pick to take him on in the first place.

Different situations. Memphis has more leverage than GS who had to dump Iggy. The value you get in a trade has more to it than the "actual" value of the player. It's all context-specific.

Leverage isn’t the only difference. The Warriors got free cap space in the trade, an asset the Grizzlies won’t be seeking. They can seek something else.

No idea what they can get, but it’s no harm looking.

Exactly and that's partially what I meant by leverage. GS has no leverage because they needed the trade to be a salary dump.

[VCfor3]

Unless the Grizzlies are willing to take on additional money, I don't see how they hope to find a deal for Iguodola when they got a pick to take him on in the first place.

Different situations. Memphis has more leverage than GS who had to dump Iggy. The value you get in a trade has more to it than the "actual" value of the player. It's all context-specific.

Leverage isn’t the only difference. The Warriors got free cap space in the trade, an asset the Grizzlies won’t be seeking. They can seek something else.

No idea what they can get, but it’s no harm looking.

I kinda feel like Memphis saying "we aren't buying him out" is more about not losing leverage to try and flip him now for a minor asset and similar salary. If Dallas/Houston/whoever doesn't bite, then Memphis goes to Iggy and offers a buyout right before the season starts and hopes to get a chunk of money back. It is a smart plan as long as they don't drag things out too much and have Iggy causing a stink.

[Snakebites]

Different situations. Memphis has more leverage than GS who had to dump Iggy. The value you get in a trade has more to it than the "actual" value of the player. It's all context-specific.

Leverage isn’t the only difference. The Warriors got free cap space in the trade, an asset the Grizzlies won’t be seeking. They can seek something else.

No idea what they can get, but it’s no harm looking.

Exactly and that's partially what I meant by leverage. GS has no leverage because they needed the trade to be a salary dump.

Ah. Well, to me leverage implies strength of bargaining position. Which is certainly a factor here.

I guess my point was it’s disingenuous to say the Warriors packaged a pick to get rid of him. They packaged a pick to free up money. That free money was an asset.

The Grizzlies don’t need to free up money, they can do a cap neutral deal or even take on money and get some other asset off of it.

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Ah. Well, to me leverage implies strength of bargaining position. Which is certainly a factor here.

I guess my point was it’s disingenuous to say the Warriors packaged a pick to get rid of him. They packaged a pick to free up money. That free money was an asset.

The Grizzlies don’t need to free up money, they can do a cap neutral deal or even take on money and get some other asset off of it.

That's exactly what leverage means.

I agree it would be disingenuous to say they packaged a pick to get rid of him because they fundamentally didn't want him as a player on the team. It's not disingenuous at all to say they packed a pick to get rid of him because they didn't want / couldn't afford to have his salary on the books.

Your last sentence perfectly explains why Memphis can get more value from a second Iggy trade.

[Slava]

I actually think they are bargaining with Iguodola on how much money he's willing to leave on the table to get out of Memphis.

[E S V L]

I actually think they are bargaining with Iguodola on how much money he's willing to leave on the table to get out of Memphis.

They are in a strong position feeling free to consider all available options without time pressure.

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[Texas Chuck]

Don't get the Wright interest for Dallas. But surely any offer is small and so Memphis will just match and protect Dallas from themselves here.

[SD2042]

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2 years, $7M. Makes the need for a PG in Philly a little sharper, too.

POWER

SHIFT

TJ Leaf
TJ Warren
TJ McConnell

I think you guys finally cornered the market unless TJ Ford comes out of retirement.

The TJs' Show. That's a lot of TJ's to boot.

[SD2042]

Don't get the Wright interest for Dallas. But surely any offer is small and so Memphis will just match and protect Dallas from themselves here.

I'm think some kind of bluff on the Mavs part. Make the Grizzlies match a potential high number.

[HartfordWhalers]

Rondo and Cousins to LAL. Thoughts?

[babyjax13]

Rondo and Cousins to LAL. Thoughts?

They liked each other in Sac from what I remember. But, the run of LA making...interesting FA decisions continues. Esp. if they grab JR Smith.