Clips Acquire Paul George for SGA, Gallo, 5 First-Rounders and 2 Pick Swaps

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About the same for what we gave up

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[itsme23]

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About the same for what we gave up

Definitely not the same. The asking price for Raps was substantially higher in my opinion.

[Ranma]

[Ranma]

Definitely not the same. The asking price for Raps was substantially higher in my opinion.

With all due respect, no, it's not. The Clippers gave up what is considered a historically big haul for a single player surpassing what the Lakers gave up for Anthony Davis. Siakam may be the best player given up in the respective offers, but he's already close to his upside from what I can see. As I've pointed out, he's providing similar production to what Montrezl Harrell gives to the Clips.

Meanwhile, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander still has unrealized potential and a case can be made that his value is close to what Jayson Tatum's is right now given that Shai is on the upswing and Tatum has been on the downswing, especially with his off-court distractions. Now if Tatum rebounds and gets his ish together, he'll easily vault himself back up to an unreachable level for SGA.

Plus, the unprotected Miami pick in 2021 is the most valuable draft pick between the two offers. That draft class is anticipated to be one the best for quite some time and the Clippers gave up more in terms of quantity along with pick swaps. Now Toronto's picks are projected to be more valuable now than the Clippers', but the Raptors aren't anticipated to be in the lottery any time soon either.

Van Fleet obviously is a gritty role player, but realistically, his trade value is not something to warrant even a protected first-round pick.

[itsme23]

Agree to disagree. No point getting into it, too many points I disagree with.

But as I said I would do that deal as a clippers gm. Prob would do it to if I knew Kawhi was resigning as a raps gm.

As well Pascal is quite above and beyond the best asset in both trades. We don’t even know what the Miami pic would garnish where you have a 20/10 player with elite defence in Pascal.

If you disagree with that last statement then it is what it is.

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Congrats Clippers fans. You guys deserve it.

[WestbrookGOATed]

Could you guys give me a good idea what to expect from SGA and Gallinari? I've watched some of SGA's highlights I'm pretty excited about him. I know Gallinari is a decent player that is constantly injured. How did he do last season? Does SGA play well off of the ball and do you think he would fit at the 2 alongside Russ?

[mttwlsn16]

Could you guys give me a good idea what to expect from SGA and Gallinari? I've watched some of SGA's highlights I'm pretty excited about him. I know Gallinari is a decent player that is constantly injured. How did he do last season? Does SGA play well off of the ball and do you think he would fit at the 2 alongside Russ?

Honestly I think SGA is going to be a stud. He got better and better as the season went on and played very well in the first rd vs GS. I hate losing him, but for Kawhi/PG it's a no brainer.
Gallo had a great year and stayed healthy. Health is his main concern. Good player with injury history. Also a large expiring contract.

[MartinToVaught]

Could you guys give me a good idea what to expect from SGA and Gallinari? I've watched some of SGA's highlights I'm pretty excited about him. I know Gallinari is a decent player that is constantly injured. How did he do last season? Does SGA play well off of the ball and do you think he would fit at the 2 alongside Russ?

SGA reminds me of a young pre-injury Shaun Livingston. He's going to be a fantastic player. If Presti ends up trading Westbrook, he's got a great replacement lined up now.

As for Gallo, he's a good scorer, but get mentally prepared for him to miss lots of time with injuries.

[Ranma]

Could you guys give me a good idea what to expect from SGA and Gallinari? I've watched some of SGA's highlights I'm pretty excited about him. I know Gallinari is a decent player that is constantly injured. How did he do last season? Does SGA play well off of the ball and do you think he would fit at the 2 alongside Russ?

I've never liked the Shai Gilgeous-Alexander comparison to Shaun Livingston because Shaun had elite-level agility, court vision and playmaking ability prior to his career-threatening injury. That likely colored my initial impression of Shai, but I was soon won over because it was clear that our front office really believed in the kid. While Gilgeous-Alexander may not be the gifted playmaker that Livingston could have been, he's certainly a capable facilitator who can run a scripted offense and get teammates involved.

SGA is learning to play off the ball and has worked with Sam Cassell in taking open mid-range and 3-point shots. I wouldn't classify him as a marksmen just yet despite his 36.7% shooting percentage from beyond the arc because of his relatively low volume in attempts but he's a confident shooter when he takes his shots, which should bode well for him down the line. I also wouldn't say that he's a scorer again just yet, but the kid has an array of crafty moves in finding ways to finish around the basket. That's probably his most impressive ability and it should only get better from here.

Also, he's shown himself to be of captain material in leading a talented Kentucky team in college and has acquitted himself quite well to being an NBA player by remarkably adapting to the demands of being a professional ball player. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander may never be the most talented player on a team but he's certainly not lacking in skills and ability. He could possibly serve as a building piece with leadership ability if the Thunder want to move on from Russell Westbrook.

In terms of being a backcourt partner for Westbrook, I think Shai should acclimate himself well in serving Westbrook's high-volume shot-taking, however, I've thought your franchise player has been inefficient with his approach to the game, which has hindered the Thunder's ability to win meaningful games in the postseason. Gilgeous-Alexander is a capable defender who needs further physical development but he's been putting in the work developing his body and skills during his time as a Clipper.

While it is unlikely that SGA will ever reach the heights of a Paul George or even Russell Westbrook, he's certainly a valuable piece to any team with aims toward winning. I'm surprised he was included in this trade, to be frank, given how much our front office loves this kid. Losing him was a deep cut to the Clippers organization and its fans.

With regards to Danilo Gallinari. I was never one of his biggest fans before the Clippers traded for him but my fellow board members pointed out how efficient he was across a wide range of offensive and defensive categories. I obviously gave him a chance and he showed himself to be the Clippers' best regular-season player last season even over Tobias Harris.

The concern with him is that he's been injury prone throughout his career, but to be fair, he was healthy for almost the entire season. Prior to this past season, he injured himself by breaking his hand by trying to punch an opponent in a pre-season game overseas. However, his increased bulk seems to work well for him in keeping him healthier and sturdier albeit at the cost of some of his quickness and athleticism.

Gallo is an efficient shooter from the perimeter and has finesse ability in terms of getting to the hole and passing to an open teammate. He's also a decent rebounder for a player of his size and should slot well in the stretch 4 position, though I like him as a 5 more than a 3 in more flexible lineups.

It remains to be seen if he can keep himself healthy, but I've always been personally concerned about his off-court distractions or endeavors beyond basketball. While they don't seem to interfere with his ability as a professional ball player, he's more of a guy who punches the clock to do a job instead of someone who actually loves the game. Gallo is known for not watching basketball outside of work and this may explain why he's never really taken a leap towards greatness as the game probably came too easy for him growing up.

He was also easily neutralized and couldn't handle the increased pressure of the postseason as the playoff games got more intense. He was discombobulated and thrown off his game in the series against the Warriors to the point where he was missing wide-open looks from 3-point range. His defenders will point to a small sample size but his career postseason performance has always noticeably dropped compared to his regular-season production. The dude is already 30 years old, it may be time to hold him accountable for such shortcomings.

In any case, he's actually a valuable player in today's NBA game particularly with his shooting and length, but given the question marks about his ability to stay healthy and his track record for postseason shrinkage, I wouldn't invest in him to be a franchise player. He might be best served as a 3rd or 4th option for a team counting on regular season production.

[Quake Griffin]

SGA is going to be a stud IMO, even though I don't think it's going to show up with tons of accolades down his Wikipedia Page.

IMO, he's going to grow into a jack of all trades, master of none, type of player. This is why, even though their skill sets are not similar, I compare him to Chauncey Billups. Not an elite scorer but can score. Not an elite passer but can pass. Not always recognized as an elite defender but can defend. Both PGs that aren't ball dominate - bring the ball up and enter it into the offense type Point Guards. There's nothing IMO that makes him a sexy pick for ASGs every year unless there's a significant change in his game or attitude.

I wish he was here to be the point guard for this team going forward. It's good to have Pat Bev be our spirit animal, but he's not as skilled as Shai is and I'm not expecting Pat Bev to stay the same for ages 32, 33, and 34.

This woulda been the perfect team for Shai to be on.

Anywho...enjoy that kid. He earned the respect of his entire Kentucky team by outworking them and Coach Cal was vocal about that. That's who you have coming to you. He went from not starting at the beginning of the season to starting and leading them through the SEC tournament and the tournament. Those sentiments were echoed by his veteran teammates like Pat Bev.

“Words can’t really describe [how impressed I am] because I see the work every day,” said Beverley. I’ve seen the work since training camp. Before he even stepped in training camp, I watched film of him with my best friends and said, ‘hey man, this kid gonna be special.’

“You see the grind throughout the year and he embraces it. He loves the grind. Whether it’s up or down, coaches are on him like they’re supposed to be. Sam Cassell, Doc [Rivers] are on him, on him, on him, tough, and he never folds. Very poised, cool under pressure. I think what you guys see tonight is starting to make it for sure.”

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But this means that we are keeping our 2020 and 2021 picks.

So Presti wanted picks where he actually had a chance of them not being in the late 20s.
And we still have a couple of assets to work with to improve this roster during this 4 year run with Kawhi and PG.

Dope AF.

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Could you guys give me a good idea what to expect from SGA and Gallinari? I've watched some of SGA's highlights I'm pretty excited about him. I know Gallinari is a decent player that is constantly injured. How did he do last season? Does SGA play well off of the ball and do you think he would fit at the 2 alongside Russ?

I've never liked the Shai Gilgeous-Alexander comparison to Shaun Livingston because Shaun had elite-level agility, court vision and playmaking ability prior to his career-threatening injury. That likely colored my initial impression of Shai, but I was soon won over because it was clear that our front office really believed in the kid. While Gilgeous-Alexander may not be the gifted playmaker that Livingston could have been, he's certainly a capable facilitator who can run a scripted offense and get teammates involved.

SGA is learning to play off the ball and has worked with Sam Cassell in taking open mid-range and 3-point shots. I wouldn't classify him as a marksmen just yet despite his 36.7% shooting percentage from beyond the arc because of his relatively low volume in attempts but he's a confident shooter when he takes his shots, which should bode well for him down the line. I also wouldn't say that he's a scorer again just yet, but the kid has an array of crafty moves in finding ways to finish around the basket. That's probably his most impressive ability and it should only get better from here.

Also, he's shown himself to be of captain material in leading a talented Kentucky team in college and has acquitted himself quite well to being an NBA player by remarkably adapting to the demands of being a professional ball player. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander may never be the most talented player on a team but he's certainly not lacking in skills and ability. He could possibly serve as a building piece with leadership ability if the Thunder want to move on from Russell Westbrook.

In terms of being a backcourt partner for Westbrook, I think Shai should acclimate himself well in serving Westbrook's high-volume shot-taking, however, I've thought your franchise player has been inefficient with his approach to the game, which has hindered the Thunder's ability to win meaningful games in the postseason. Gilgeous-Alexander is a capable defender who needs further physical development but he's been putting in the work developing his body and skills during his time as a Clipper.

While it is unlikely that SGA will ever reach the heights of a Paul George or even Russell Westbrook, he's certainly a valuable piece to any team with aims toward winning. I'm surprised he was included in this trade, to be frank, given how much our front office loves this kid. Losing him was a deep cut to the Clippers organization and its fans.

With regards to Danilo Gallinari. I was never one of his biggest fans before the Clippers traded for him but my fellow board members pointed out how efficient he was across a wide range of offensive and defensive categories. I obviously gave him a chance and he showed himself to be the Clippers' best regular-season player last season even over Tobias Harris.

The concern with him is that he's been injury prone throughout his career, but to be fair, he was healthy for almost the entire season. Prior to this past season, he injured himself by breaking his hand by trying to punch an opponent in a pre-season game overseas. However, his increased bulk seems to work well for him in keeping him healthier and sturdier albeit at the cost of some of his quickness and athleticism.

Gallo is an efficient shooter from the perimeter and has finesse ability in terms of getting to the hole and passing to an open teammate. He's also a decent rebounder for a player of his size and should slot well in the stretch 4 position, though I like him as a 5 more than a 3 in more flexible lineups.

It remains to be seen if he can keep himself healthy, but I've always been personally concerned about his off-court distractions or endeavors beyond basketball. While they don't seem to interfere with his ability as a professional ball player, he's more of a guy who punches the clock to do a job instead of someone who actually loves the game. Gallo is known for not watching basketball outside of work and this may explain why he's never really taken a leap towards greatness as the game probably came too easy for him growing up.

He was also easily neutralized and couldn't handle the increased pressure of the postseason as the playoff games got more intense. He was discombobulated and thrown off his game in the series against the Warriors to the point where he was missing wide-open looks from 3-point range. His defenders will point to a small sample size but his career postseason performance has always noticeably dropped compared to his regular-season production. The dude is already 30 years old, it may be time to hold him accountable for such shortcomings.

In any case, he's actually a valuable player in today's NBA game particularly with his shooting and length, but given the question marks about his ability to stay healthy and his track record for postseason shrinkage, I wouldn't invest in him to be a franchise player. He might be best served as a 3rd or 4th option for a team counting on regular season production.

Allow me to offer a comment, again as a friendly outsider.

Surely you won the trade. I can't and won't comment on Shai's upside,but probably he's the most valuable
piece in the Paul George trade. The picks, if they go true to form (I've selected the 2007, 2008 and 2009
drafts when OCK, with top-5 picks, selected KD, Westbrook and Harden), are basically role players.

I count only one true star and three minor stars depending on how you count in the 2007-2009 drafts that
were drafted above 15. Of course there were several picks like Marc Gasol in the second round. Meaning:
They were missed by everybody, available to everybody.

But non-lottery first-round picks who turned into stars: Jrue Holiday and possibly Serge Ibaka, Robin Lopez
and George Hill. That's it. You gave up nothing in my opinion except, possibly Shai.

And if Butler and whoever the Heat sign in free-agency next June propel Miami into an 8th seed, the Miami
will also have little value

People in general tend to overestimate picks.

2007, 2008, 2009
15 Rodney Stuckey, Robin Lopez, Austin Dave
16 Nick Young, Marreese Speights, James Johnson
17 Sean Williams , Roy Hibbert, Jrue Holiday
18 Marco Belinelli, Javale McGee, Ty Lawson
19 Javaris Crittenton, JJ Hickson, Jeff Teague
20 Jason Smith, Alexis Alinca, Eric Maynor
21 Daequan Cook, Ryan Anderson, Darren Collison
22 Jared Dudley, Courtney Lee, Victor Claver
23 Wilson Chandler, Kosta Koufos, Omri Casspi
24 Rudy Fernandez, Serge Ibaka, BJ Mullens
25 Morris Almond, Nicolas Batum, Rodriqu Beaubois
26 Aaron Brooks, George Hill, Taj Gibson
27 Arron Afflalo, Darrell Arthur, DeMarre Carroll
28 Tiago Splitter, Donte Green, Wayne Ellington
29 Alando Tucker, DJ White, Toney Douglas
30 Petteri Koponen, JR Giddens, Christian Eyenga

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But this means that we are keeping our 2020 and 2021 picks.

So Presti wanted picks where he actually had a chance of them not being in the late 20s.
And we still have a couple of assets to work with to improve this roster during this 4 year run with Kawhi and PG.

Dope AF.

Totally agree with this and the last post by hookshot199. People tend to overestimate picks and forget the real value of non top-4 picks is in trading them for better assets--in other words doing exactly what we did. Presti doesn't want picks in the low 20s; smart man. But, really, what are the chances of any of those picks being a top 7 pick--or even a top 10 pick? I've got a big-ass long piece where I breakdown what this trade would get in terms of the draft selections in previous drafts ... don't know if it's worth it to post. But I'll summarize it like this. I made a guess as to where the picks would end up, and got two low-ish lottery picks, one high non-lottery pick, and two mid 20s picks. Five players over six years came up pretty big ... once in 15 years in my random breakdown. YMMV, but the real value in these picks is in what Presti will trade them for down the line.