Thunder Offseason Thread

[slick_watts]

would trading crisp paul for russell westbrook make houston that much better?

[mr570]

Morey gets a lot of love for analytics but at some level he's just all about surrounding Harden with other big names.

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I really think he just floats bull sometimes because he likes seeing his name out there.

[Dadouv47]

would trading crisp paul for russell westbrook make houston that much better?

Just a bit better I think. Which could be enough to win a championship but they wouldn't be favored against Clippers or Lakers.

[spearsy23]

would trading crisp paul for russell westbrook make houston that much better?

Yeah, if for no reason than he won't miss twenty games and be injured in the playoffs.

[Old Man Game]

Listening to Sirius XM NBA Radio a bit this afternoon. Former Suns GM Ryan McDonough said that he was certain every team would at least call about Westbrook even if they weren't necessarily interested in acquiring him, just to see if they could get in on a multi-team trade and maybe get something out of it.

From the discussion I got the impression that the interest in Westbrook may be a lot higher than we imagine it on places like the Real GM forums.

[ThunderBolt]

would trading crisp paul for russell westbrook make houston that much better?

Yeah, if for no reason than he won't miss twenty games and be injured in the playoffs.

That and Rubio isn’t playing on a contender anymore.

[ThunderBolt]

Listening to Sirius XM NBA Radio a bit this afternoon. Former Suns GM Ryan McDonough said that he was certain every team would at least call about Westbrook even if they weren't necessarily interested in acquiring him, just to see if they could get in on a multi-team trade and maybe get something out of it.

From the discussion I got the impression that the interest in Westbrook may be a lot higher than we imagine it on places like the Real GM forums.

I’m hesitant to speculate too much but I think we could be pleasantly surprised.

[Dadouv47]

Listening to Sirius XM NBA Radio a bit this afternoon. Former Suns GM Ryan McDonough said that he was certain every team would at least call about Westbrook even if they weren't necessarily interested in acquiring him, just to see if they could get in on a multi-team trade and maybe get something out of it.

From the discussion I got the impression that the interest in Westbrook may be a lot higher than we imagine it on places like the Real GM forums.

I’m hesitant to speculate too much but I think we could be pleasantly surprised.

Feel the same. Westbrook is declining and overpaid but he's still a great player and one of most entertaining players in the NBA.
We also don't know exactly how much the cap space will be in 2021 so maybe his salary isn't as bad as it looks (well it's very bad but...)

On the other hand I still think t Presti will try to send him to a nice place even for less assets than to a terrible franchise that is willing to give up a lot for him in order to get media attention and sell shirts.

[thor19]

Herro hasn't been signed yet

I think you can get Herro but maybe no 1st

This works

to OKC, Herro, Winslow, Waiters, Johnson, Duncan Robinson (n-g)
to Dallas, Dragic, Maten
to Miami, Westbrook, Gallinari

Maybe you can get a 2nd round pick there, or whatever

Miami needs to do this in a trade to be able to put a team together under the hardcap, any trade with them has to include them getting lower in salary

I think if Russ wants to go to the Heat I'd be fine doing that

Heat basically get Westbrook-Butler-Gallinari-Olynyk-Adebayo/Leonard and the rest of the roster filled with minimum contract guys

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yyrodlap

[Dadouv47]

Herro hasn't been signed yet

I think you can get Herro but maybe no 1st

This works

to OKC, Herro, Winslow, Waiters, Johnson, Duncan Robinson (n-g)
to Dallas, Dragic, Maten
to Miami, Westbrook, Gallinari

Maybe you can get a 2nd round pick there, or whatever

Miami needs to do this in a trade to be able to put a team together under the hardcap, any trade with them has to include them getting lower in salary

I think if Russ wants to go to the Heat I'd be fine doing that

Heat basically get Westbrook-Butler-Gallinari-Olynyk-Adebayo/Leonard and the rest of the roster filled with minimum contract guys

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yyrodlap

We will never get that much

[Pillendreher]

Please find a way to get him to Houston. Let's get Russ and harden both a championship

Westbrook on Houston would be comical just because half their fanbase would probably lose its mind after all the slander since 2016.

[Osirus89]

Please find a way to get him to Houston. Let's get Russ and harden both a championship

Westbrook on Houston would be comical just because half their fanbase would probably lose its mind after all the slander since 2016.

On the one hand, Morey has shown himself to be a much more competent GM than Presti has so Russ would be in a better situation as well as the fact that he and Harden are still close.

On the other hand..... screw Morey. All that subtweeting during 2017 about triple doubles being "cute stats" and talk of "not my MVP" leads me to extend Morey an invitation to go play in traffic. That's before Houston tweeted that garbage when Giannis won.

https://www.si.com/nba/2019/06/25/rockets-tweets-james-harden-giannis-antetokounmpo-mvp

They deleted it because they realized it was so classless but they still sent it.

That's some #45 type of garbage.

[Dadouv47]

odds were not good but Westbrook definitely not going to Dallas

[Old Man Game]

Listening to Sirius XM NBA Radio a bit this afternoon. Former Suns GM Ryan McDonough said that he was certain every team would at least call about Westbrook even if they weren't necessarily interested in acquiring him, just to see if they could get in on a multi-team trade and maybe get something out of it.

From the discussion I got the impression that the interest in Westbrook may be a lot higher than we imagine it on places like the Real GM forums.

I’m hesitant to speculate too much but I think we could be pleasantly surprised.

Oh, another thing they talked about is that he was skeptical that we would truly tank and bottom out but instead thought we'd try to retool on the fly and get back to something resembling competitive pretty quickly like the Clipper (ironically) did when they traded Paul and then shortly thereafter Blake Griffin. Mentioned what's been mentioned on here before, that this is a small market that doesn't have a long track record of supporting an NBA team so they probably wouldn't want to risk a complete tank here.

Just one man's speculation but it is informed speculation.

[ThunderBolt]

Listening to Sirius XM NBA Radio a bit this afternoon. Former Suns GM Ryan McDonough said that he was certain every team would at least call about Westbrook even if they weren't necessarily interested in acquiring him, just to see if they could get in on a multi-team trade and maybe get something out of it.

From the discussion I got the impression that the interest in Westbrook may be a lot higher than we imagine it on places like the Real GM forums.

I’m hesitant to speculate too much but I think we could be pleasantly surprised.

Oh, another thing they talked about is that he was skeptical that we would truly tank and bottom out but instead thought we'd try to retool on the fly and get back to something resembling competitive pretty quickly like the Clipper (ironically) did when they traded Paul and then shortly thereafter Blake Griffin. Mentioned what's been mentioned on here before, that this is a small market that doesn't have a long track record of supporting an NBA team so they probably wouldn't want to risk a complete tank here.

Just one man's speculation but it is informed speculation.

That’s why I think we keep Adams. Adams, Shai and try to find a young player like we did with Oladipo for our new core. Then we’ve got a crap load of picks to try to put us over the top.

[Dadouv47]

lol Miami journalists are reporting some crazy good trades for us. Too good to be true. And Presti works in silence.

[No-Man]

Now Dallas doesn't have enough for Dragic but this still would work

to Dallas, Olynyk and DJJ
to OKC, Herro, Winslow, Dragic and a 2nd round pick from Dallas
to Miami, Westbrook

[Pillendreher]

I’m hesitant to speculate too much but I think we could be pleasantly surprised.

Oh, another thing they talked about is that he was skeptical that we would truly tank and bottom out but instead thought we'd try to retool on the fly and get back to something resembling competitive pretty quickly like the Clipper (ironically) did when they traded Paul and then shortly thereafter Blake Griffin. Mentioned what's been mentioned on here before, that this is a small market that doesn't have a long track record of supporting an NBA team so they probably wouldn't want to risk a complete tank here.

Just one man's speculation but it is informed speculation.

That’s why I think we keep Adams. Adams, Shai and try to find a young player like we did with Oladipo for our new core. Then we’ve got a crap load of picks to try to put us over the top.

Yeah seems like a plausible scenario. You don't aquire that many picks to actually use them in a draft. You don't need 10 guys on rookie deals on your roster.

[Dadouv47]

Adams could have more trade value with only one year left on his contract (for a team that is contending)

[Dadouv47]

We should focus on Westbrook + Grant