Thunder Offseason Thread

[DoubleJ13]

If we trade Russ we might as well see how serious the Wolves are about getting out of that Wiggins deal.

Send Russ to the Heat for Dragic, Leonard, Jones, & other cheap piece. Adjust the Heat picks you just got from the Clippers.

Send Gallo & whatever works to the Wolves for Wiggins & Covington plus picks. Take on the Wiggins deal for picks since we'll suck through it anyway & get Covington to move for more picks later.

[Thunder Up]

A quality team can still be put around Russ with a couple of firsts and maybe moving Dennis + Gallo or Roberson

[ThunderBolt]

A quality team can still be put around Russ with a couple of firsts and maybe moving Dennis + Gallo or Roberson

Lol

[spearsy23]

A quality team can still be put around Russ with a couple of firsts and maybe moving Dennis + Gallo or Roberson

Lol

He's not wrong, and we should still be worried it happens.

[thor19]

If we trade Russ we might as well see how serious the Wolves are about getting out of that Wiggins deal.

Send Russ to the Heat for Dragic, Leonard, Jones, & other cheap piece. Adjust the Heat picks you just got from the Clippers.

Send Gallo & whatever works to the Wolves for Wiggins & Covington plus picks. Take on the Wiggins deal for picks since we'll suck through it anyway & get Covington to move for more picks later.

The problem with getting a lot of picks is that you need to hit the jackpot with at least one superstar and two or three star or good roleplayers if SGA can be a star we are one step ahead , a player I will look is jaylen brown their you have your pg and your sg/sf of the future

[spearsy23]

Gallo + robes for Wiggins is really interesting.

[ThunderBolt]

A quality team can still be put around Russ with a couple of firsts and maybe moving Dennis + Gallo or Roberson

Lol

He's not wrong, and we should still be worried it happens.

Define quality.

[Thunder Up]

Lol

He's not wrong, and we should still be worried it happens.

Define quality.

A starting 5 of:

Russ
Beal
Roberson or Gallo (whoever isn't dealt)
Grant
Adams

with SGA as the first guy off the bench.. quality

[ThunderBolt]

Gallo + robes for Wiggins is really interesting.

Are you assuming they send picks and assets back. Because otherwise no thanks.

[ThunderBolt]

He's not wrong, and we should still be worried it happens.

Define quality.

A starting 5 of:

Russ
Beal
Roberson or Gallo (whoever isn't dealt)
Grant
Adams

with SGA as the first guy off the bench.. quality

That lineup still might miss the playoffs. They only team that got worse than OKC in the west that isn’t still better than OKC is Memphis and maybe Portland. Dallas, LAL and kings will be better. Warriors and Houston are worse but still better than OKC.

[Thunder Up]

Define quality.

A starting 5 of:

Russ
Beal
Roberson or Gallo (whoever isn't dealt)
Grant
Adams

with SGA as the first guy off the bench.. quality

That lineup still might miss the playoffs. They only team that got worse than OKC in the west that isn’t still better than OKC is Memphis and maybe Portland. Dallas, LAL and kings will be better. Warriors and Houston are worse but still better than OKC.

I don't know about all that man...
That projection also was assuming a healthy Roberson which is a big deal, Beal is a monster, and SGA is a stud as I've said before which is a huge boost compared to what we've been dealing with

[ThunderBolt]

A starting 5 of:

Russ
Beal
Roberson or Gallo (whoever isn't dealt)
Grant
Adams

with SGA as the first guy off the bench.. quality

That lineup still might miss the playoffs. They only team that got worse than OKC in the west that isn’t still better than OKC is Memphis and maybe Portland. Dallas, LAL and kings will be better. Warriors and Houston are worse but still better than OKC.

I don't know about all that man...
That projection also was assuming a healthy Roberson which is a big deal, Beal is a monster, and SGA is a stud as I've said before which is a huge boost compared to what we've been dealing with

I like shai as much as anyone so that’s an improvement. I don’t think Beal is as good as George. If Roberson comes back 100% healthy then I think the team could be better. I think most of us have don’t think it’s realistic Roberson ever returns to what he was before the injury.

[spearsy23]

Gallo + robes for Wiggins is really interesting.

Are you assuming they send picks and assets back. Because otherwise no thanks.

No, I'm assuming we shave six million off the cap and take a chance on a reclamation project with significant (if unlikely) upside. What's the real cost there? Lost opportunity with cap space for assets deals, but you can only draft so many players anyway and no free agents are coming.

[spearsy23]

That lineup still might miss the playoffs. They only team that got worse than OKC in the west that isn’t still better than OKC is Memphis and maybe Portland. Dallas, LAL and kings will be better. Warriors and Houston are worse but still better than OKC.

I don't know about all that man...
That projection also was assuming a healthy Roberson which is a big deal, Beal is a monster, and SGA is a stud as I've said before which is a huge boost compared to what we've been dealing with

I like shai as much as anyone so that’s an improvement. I don’t think Beal is as good as George. If Roberson comes back 100% healthy then I think the team could be better. I think most of us have don’t think it’s realistic Roberson ever returns to what he was before the injury.

Being in the playoffs hunt in this conference requires being a good team. It's not contender of course.

[ThunderBolt]

Gallo + robes for Wiggins is really interesting.

Are you assuming they send picks and assets back. Because otherwise no thanks.

No, I'm assuming we shave six million off the cap and take a chance on a reclamation project with significant (if unlikely) upside. What's the real cost there? Lost opportunity with cap space for assets deals, but you can only draft so many players anyway and no free agents are coming.

Wiggins is horrible. Gallo is a good player even though he’s fragile. Robes and Gallo are both expiring. I think they would be a horrible move. We won’t sign Durant and Lebron but we absolutely can sign free agents here, definitely players better than Wiggins.

[spearsy23]

Are you assuming they send picks and assets back. Because otherwise no thanks.

No, I'm assuming we shave six million off the cap and take a chance on a reclamation project with significant (if unlikely) upside. What's the real cost there? Lost opportunity with cap space for assets deals, but you can only draft so many players anyway and no free agents are coming.

Wiggins is horrible. Gallo is a good player even though he’s fragile. Robes and Gallo are both expiring. I think they would be a horrible move. We won’t sign Durant and Lebron but we absolutely can sign free agents here, definitely players better than Wiggins.

Anthony Morrow's not walking through that door.

[ThunderBolt]

No, I'm assuming we shave six million off the cap and take a chance on a reclamation project with significant (if unlikely) upside. What's the real cost there? Lost opportunity with cap space for assets deals, but you can only draft so many players anyway and no free agents are coming.

Wiggins is horrible. Gallo is a good player even though he’s fragile. Robes and Gallo are both expiring. I think they would be a horrible move. We won’t sign Durant and Lebron but we absolutely can sign free agents here, definitely players better than Wiggins.

Anthony Morrow's not walking through that door.

Horford was willing to come here. Melo waived his ntc and George re-signed. We can do better than Wiggins for our expirings.

[DoubleJ13]

Doing a deal with the Heat pretty much makes those picks you just got worthless unless you just adjust those in a Russ trade.

2021 is unprotected but it's the east & a team with Russ & Butler should be fine there unless something goes completely wrong. The other pick is lotto proteceted from 2023-2025 & is then unprotected in 2026, 2023 would be right after Butler & Russ deals come off the books so who knows what happens there.

Probably want to push the 2021 pick back a couple years or adjust the protections on that 2023 pick if you could. Maybe the ideal scenerio would be to try & get the 2021 pick pushed to a 2023 unprotected & the 2023 pick to a 2025 pick with protections. Just push both picks back 2 years.

Or try to push the 2021 pick to an unprotected in 2023 & ask for a young guy instead of the other pick since they would most likely be starting over then.

[petros93]

If Russ accepted going to Toronto to compete for a championship then for sure he's working with our front office for a trade.

[slick_watts]

bradley beal had HALF the rpm wins of paul george last year. HALF. same on wins over replacement. and he played more minutes! replacing george with bradley beal and we could easily miss the playoffs. you'd need russell westbrook to age backwards and andre roberson to be 100% to even think about breaking even. the people who want to keep going don't realize just how incredible george was this year.

even if you could somehow combine career year danilo gallinari and bradley beal into one player who played 5000+ minutes last year, that would come just short of matching paul george rpm wins and wins over replacement.

we're talking about things going really well just to tread water much less improve and become a contender.