2019 Draft Class - Part 2

[clyde21]

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Terence Davis going HAM right now for the Nuggs

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it's gonna be fun going back and reading all those Herro hot takes

[retrobro90]

Iggy Brazdeikis is talented as hell for a 20 year old. Great vision and patience for a guy his age. Hasn't been the best athlete on the floor but still gets athletic opportunities in transition and creates driving lanes for himself because he's a threat to pass or shoot.

[clyde21]

Iggy Brazdeikis is talented as hell for a 20 year old. Great vision and patience for a guy his age. Hasn't been the best athlete on the floor but still gets athletic opportunities in transition and creates driving lanes for himself because he's a threat to pass or shoot.

Iggy Braz is the best player on the floor right now, and that includes Mitchell, RJ, and Knox.

[clyde21]

Iggy with 30/8/2 in 30 mins

[clyde21]

Clarke was so good tonight, 17/4/1 with 3 blocks in 17 mins

Kab played well again too

[Stillwater]

15 + teams were sleeping on Dylan Windler… should have gone in the 10-12 range.

[nolang1]

If this is now the thread to prematurely brag about things that confirm what you thought a couple weeks ago, Jaxson Hayes has 11 points, 3 rebounds, 3 blocks, and the dunk of the summer league in the first 9 minutes of his debut. I think the Pelicans have the 2 best prospects from this draft.

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[Stillwater]

^ I like Hayes but he aint even the 2nd best player they drafted... NAW is.
Hayes has DPOY upside so the value at 8 is solid but lets not get carried away.

[GimmeDat]

NAW was really good, but c'mon, Hayes > NAW on upside alone.

[nolang1]

^ I like Hayes but he aint even the 2nd best player they drafted... NAW is.
Hayes has DPOY upside so the value at 8 is solid but lets not get carried away.

If he has DPOY upside and is clearly a few notches above the Chandler/Capela/DeAndre Jordan type of players in terms of fluidity and aggressiveness on offense (obviously there's a difference in competition level, but in his 18-year career Chandler has never scored as many points in a regulation NBA game as Hayes just did in 21 minutes), there's not a single draft in history where picking a player like that 8th is anything but a major steal.

[clyde21]

both Hayes and NAW were incredible tonight, some of NAW's passes were sick, he's been working on that for sure

Didi Louzada was pretty good too...this Pels draft is looking awesome right now.

[No-Man]

Hayes looked more explosive, he still lacks physicality but he wasn't this bouncy at Texas

NAW looks fine, solid player just not a ton of value but he is going to be solid

[Stillwater]

NAW was really good, but c'mon, Hayes > NAW on upside alone.

I hope you are not referring to each players summer league play as indicative of next level impact.
my point is nolang sounds like he thinks Hayes is a allstar already...he isnt a good rebounder and will not be as effective against stronger men . i think he will be a top 10 defender around the rim
during his career maybe even be a dpoy candidate if he puts it all together but cant hit the broad side of a tank with his J.
NAW on the other hand has high upside that is more realistically achievable plus will transfer pretty quickly and as is stands there as the 2nd best player they drafted even if Jaxson changes that in 4 years

[nolang1]

NAW was really good, but c'mon, Hayes > NAW on upside alone.

I hope you are not referring to each players summer league play as indicative of next level impact.
my point is nolang sounds like he thinks Hayes is a allstar already...he isnt a good rebounder and will not be as effective against stronger men . i think he will be a top 10 defender around the rim
during his career maybe even be a dpoy candidate if he puts it all together but cant hit the broad side of a tank with his J.
NAW on the other hand has high upside that is more realistically achievable plus will transfer pretty quickly and as is stands there as the 2nd best player they drafted even if Jaxson changes that in 4 years

I said he's the 2nd best prospect in this draft and obviously you don't draft players based on what they'll do their rookie season alone, so no need to spew out more word salad to try defending some take you obviously put zero thought into. Even if I were dumb enough to consider Hayes #2 based solely on the impact I thought he'd make this coming season (even though he just turned 19, is still skinny, hasn't been playing at a high level for that long, etc.), since when would being the 2nd-best rookie equate to being an all-star? There hasn't even been one rookie named to an all-star team since Blake Griffin, who was 21 rather than 19.

Also as far as the jumper goes, Hayes was a 75% free throw shooter in college and last night looked pretty comfortable taking a couple 18-20 foot jumpers that just rimmed out, so A) odds are the 'cant hit the broad side of a tank' comment will end up looking pretty dumb and B) obviously any kind of shooting/perimeter skills are a bonus from a player whose absolute ceiling was thought to be Tyson Chandler or Clint Capela.

Hayes looked more explosive, he still lacks physicality but he wasn't this bouncy at Texas

Eh he definitely had some of the most freakishly athletic sequences outside of Zion this past season, plenty of blocking shots with his elbow and the like. The one extra crazy dunk he had last night he got a little boost from the way he hit the guy, but nothing else seemed too out of the ordinary for him - just got to do it more often because he was playing with actual spacing and teammates who were better at throwing lobs. Now that he's no longer going through a crazy growth spurt, I'm sure it'll be much easier for him to put on muscle and look even more explosive going forward.

[Stillwater]

NAW was really good, but c'mon, Hayes > NAW on upside alone.

I hope you are not referring to each players summer league play as indicative of next level impact.
my point is nolang sounds like he thinks Hayes is a allstar already...he isnt a good rebounder and will not be as effective against stronger men . i think he will be a top 10 defender around the rim
during his career maybe even be a dpoy candidate if he puts it all together but cant hit the broad side of a tank with his J.
NAW on the other hand has high upside that is more realistically achievable plus will transfer pretty quickly and as is stands there as the 2nd best player they drafted even if Jaxson changes that in 4 years

I said he's the 2nd best prospect in this draft and obviously you don't draft players based on what they'll do their rookie season alone, so no need to spew out more word salad to try defending some take you obviously put zero thought into. Even if I were dumb enough to consider Hayes #2 based solely on the impact I thought he'd make this coming season (even though he just turned 19, is still skinny, hasn't been playing at a high level for that long, etc.), since when would being the 2nd-best rookie equate to being an all-star? There hasn't even been one rookie named to an all-star team since Blake Griffin, who was 21 rather than 19.

Also as far as the jumper goes, Hayes was a 75% free throw shooter in college and last night looked pretty comfortable taking a couple 18-20 foot jumpers that just rimmed out, so A) odds are the 'cant hit the broad side of a tank' comment will end up looking pretty dumb and B) obviously any kind of shooting/perimeter skills are a bonus from a player whose absolute ceiling was thought to be Tyson Chandler or Clint Capela.

I'm glad you cleared that up

[clyde21]

Hayes actually looked pretty comfortable taking those 18 footers last night, if he can start nailing those it's big for NO...he was extending that range out to the 3 in workouts so I wouldn't be surprised to see him start attempting them in game in the next couple of years...the 75% at the line is definitely a good sign

pretty funny that I actually expect Hayes to hit a 3 in the NBA sooner than Simmons

[nolang1]

I hope you are not referring to each players summer league play as indicative of next level impact.
my point is nolang sounds like he thinks Hayes is a allstar already...he isnt a good rebounder and will not be as effective against stronger men . i think he will be a top 10 defender around the rim
during his career maybe even be a dpoy candidate if he puts it all together but cant hit the broad side of a tank with his J.
NAW on the other hand has high upside that is more realistically achievable plus will transfer pretty quickly and as is stands there as the 2nd best player they drafted even if Jaxson changes that in 4 years

I said he's the 2nd best prospect in this draft and obviously you don't draft players based on what they'll do their rookie season alone, so no need to spew out more word salad to try defending some take you obviously put zero thought into. Even if I were dumb enough to consider Hayes #2 based solely on the impact I thought he'd make this coming season (even though he just turned 19, is still skinny, hasn't been playing at a high level for that long, etc.), since when would being the 2nd-best rookie equate to being an all-star? There hasn't even been one rookie named to an all-star team since Blake Griffin, who was 21 rather than 19.

Also as far as the jumper goes, Hayes was a 75% free throw shooter in college and last night looked pretty comfortable taking a couple 18-20 foot jumpers that just rimmed out, so A) odds are the 'cant hit the broad side of a tank' comment will end up looking pretty dumb and B) obviously any kind of shooting/perimeter skills are a bonus from a player whose absolute ceiling was thought to be Tyson Chandler or Clint Capela.

I'm glad you cleared that up

Apparently it needed clearing up for you to somehow manufacture 'thinks he's an all-star already' out of what I actually said. Or that from the start you were saying (and have continued to say) that you thought Alexander-Walker was a 'better player' while ignoring that Hayes is obviously younger with more upside. Both quite indicative of you not understanding this very simple concept.

NAW on the other hand has high upside that is more realistically achievable plus will transfer pretty quickly and as is stands there as the 2nd best player they drafted even if Jaxson changes that in 4 years

This sentence, once translated from 'third-grader,' directly contradicts your very next post where you attempt to laugh off the idea that the player who will be best at his peak is the best prospect as if it's something simple that you understood all along.

[Upperclass]

Hayes looks alot like a young marcus camby imo