Trade for Westbrook?

[A_dub06]

Huh? You would get other players through drafts, trades, mid level exceptions and vet mins.

The draft? You mean the draft where we would be trading away our picks and then drafting around #20? Trades with which assets? We won’t have as Lenard would be included in the deal and Sekou would need to be packaged with another below average player diluting the value of the trade? No above average vets are going to sign here for the minimum where they could go to many different teams offering a better chance at a championship and the same for MLE’s unless we can offer them a starting position and even then it’s murky.

Are you not old enough to remember when the team signed Derrick Rose and Markieff Morris to come off the bench?

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

I’m just not dumb enough to actually think Rose or Morris are difference makers.

[Cowology]

Nothing, but his boss is Tom Gores.

ding ding ding!!

Besides, the fact we're even discussing Westbrook pretty much answers that question.

You'll have to throw me a bone on this one, because I don't see how fans in a forum discussing pros and cons of a trade make it a very real possibility when there has been zero indication from the team ownership/management that it could happen.

Fans in a forum don't enter into it. But its possible I am placing more credence into the reports/rumors of our interest than you. Everything Ive heard/read has us and Miami as the front runners.

[buzzkilloton]

Thinking about it more I imagine a few other fail franchises will be interested in Westbrook. MJ loves WEstbrook and you best believe hes interested. Twolves would love to make a move for him. Suns have wanted a pg with Booker for awhile now.

We are just hearing about a few teams. Theres always teams on the down low interested in a player.

[Manocad]

ding ding ding!!

Besides, the fact we're even discussing Westbrook pretty much answers that question.

You'll have to throw me a bone on this one, because I don't see how fans in a forum discussing pros and cons of a trade make it a very real possibility when there has been zero indication from the team ownership/management that it could happen.

Fans in a forum don't enter into it. But its possible I am placing more credence into the reports/rumors of our interest than you. Everything Ive heard/read has us and Miami as the front runners.

And not one speck of that information has come from the Pistons.

You did very clearly state, when asked what gave you the indication that Stefanski would trade for Westbrook, that "the fact we're even discussing Westbrook pretty much answers that question." I took that as face value meaning we the members of this forum. If you mean "we" as in the Pistons management, there has been nothing published that I've found stating that the Pistons are entertaining this trade.

When someone writes that the Pistons would be a good trade partner for Westbrook, I don't call that a "rumor." So yes, you're absolutely putting more credence into it than I am. I put no credence into it because I don't call it a rumor. I call it a writer's opinion.

[Cowology]

Mkay

[Liqourish]

Mkay

[Manocad]

Thinking about it more I imagine a few other fail franchises will be interested in Westbrook. MJ loves WEstbrook and you best believe hes interested. Twolves would love to make a move for him. Suns have wanted a pg with Booker for awhile now.

We are just hearing about a few teams. Theres always teams on the down low interested in a player.

No doubt; clearly a talent like Westbrook is going to wind up playing for someone other than OKC if it's clear that he doesn't want to be there and they want to move him. And if sports has proved anything it's that the unexpected happens all the time. So when a sportswriter here or there identifies a couple of teams that make sense for Westbrook to go to--pardon me, "is rumored to be traded to," because that's what that means--by no means does that mean that every other possibility is off the table.

[DetroitSho]

The draft? You mean the draft where we would be trading away our picks and then drafting around #20? Trades with which assets? We won’t have as Lenard would be included in the deal and Sekou would need to be packaged with another below average player diluting the value of the trade? No above average vets are going to sign here for the minimum where they could go to many different teams offering a better chance at a championship and the same for MLE’s unless we can offer them a starting position and even then it’s murky.

Are you not old enough to remember when the team signed Derrick Rose and Markieff Morris to come off the bench?

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

He said above average. And they weren't acquired via vet min level contracts, only via our portion of MLE and BAE.

And people forget that they both fell off a cliff after all Star break.

Homeboy the post literally speaks of vet minimum deals AND THE SAME FOR MLE's. It's right there in plain English. And what, now all of sudden Morris and Rose are scrubs? Or just in the case here of fitting narratives?

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

[DetroitSho]

The draft? You mean the draft where we would be trading away our picks and then drafting around #20? Trades with which assets? We won’t have as Lenard would be included in the deal and Sekou would need to be packaged with another below average player diluting the value of the trade? No above average vets are going to sign here for the minimum where they could go to many different teams offering a better chance at a championship and the same for MLE’s unless we can offer them a starting position and even then it’s murky.

Are you not old enough to remember when the team signed Derrick Rose and Markieff Morris to come off the bench?

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

I’m just not dumb enough to actually think Rose or Morris are difference makers.

Nice goal post moving there bud. Whether you believe they're difference makers or not isn't the argument. They just need to be above average signings to contradict your point. And they are.

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

[A_dub06]

Are you not old enough to remember when the team signed Derrick Rose and Markieff Morris to come off the bench?

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

He said above average. And they weren't acquired via vet min level contracts, only via our portion of MLE and BAE.

And people forget that they both fell off a cliff after all Star break.

Homeboy the post literally speaks of vet minimum deals AND THE SAME FOR MLE's. It's right there in plain English. And what, now all of sudden Morris and Rose are scrubs? Or just in the case here of fitting narratives?

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

I don’t consider them to be good players, nor should anyone else. Rose sucks on defence, and while his overall 3pt % improved it was because he shot the ball at a blistering clip for like two a half months and then shot something like 20% after the all-star break.certain aspects of his game are above average but neither Rose or Morris are differences makers or good players. You’re making out like these guys are difference makers when they’re not unless you’re talking about 7 years ago. Maybe by comparison with the crap we’ve displayed over the past decade they look like it but by league standards they’re not.

[DetroitSho]

He said above average. And they weren't acquired via vet min level contracts, only via our portion of MLE and BAE.

And people forget that they both fell off a cliff after all Star break.

Homeboy the post literally speaks of vet minimum deals AND THE SAME FOR MLE's. It's right there in plain English. And what, now all of sudden Morris and Rose are scrubs? Or just in the case here of fitting narratives?

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

I don’t consider them to be good players, nor should anyone else. Rose sucks on defence, and while his overall 3pt % improved it was because he shot the ball at a blistering clip for like two a half months and then shot something like 20% after the all-star break.certain aspects of his game are above average but neither Rose or Morris are differences makers or good players. You’re making out like these guys are difference makers when they’re not unless you’re talking about 7 years ago. Maybe by comparison with the crap we’ve displayed over the past decade they look like it but by league standards they’re not.

So, again, they're scrubs?

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

[A_dub06]

Are you not old enough to remember when the team signed Derrick Rose and Markieff Morris to come off the bench?

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

I’m just not dumb enough to actually think Rose or Morris are difference makers.

Nice goal post moving there bud. Whether you believe they're difference makers or not isn't the argument. They just need to be above average signings to contradict your point. And they are.

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

Goal post moving? By above average the assertion is that they can impact the game in an above average positive way, or sorry are we still talking about counting stats and contributing to meaningless improved visual displays? The entire point I was making was that veteran players willing to take the minimum or BAE that can actually impact a teams trajectory won’t sign here, neither Rose or Morris will do that. They will put up meaningless stats without winning us extra games or taking us further into the playoffs, maybe looking better while doing so, but they aren’t changing the teams ceiling.

[Manocad]

So if Westbrook is "rumored" to be traded to the Pistons, where does his $38.5M salary fit in? With Blake and Dre? Because I don't see that happening and if one of them has to be moved I don't see the point. Without a doubt I can see Blake, Dre and Westbrook being a force, but that means a lot of other players have to go as well.

[A_dub06]

Homeboy the post literally speaks of vet minimum deals AND THE SAME FOR MLE's. It's right there in plain English. And what, now all of sudden Morris and Rose are scrubs? Or just in the case here of fitting narratives?

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

I don’t consider them to be good players, nor should anyone else. Rose sucks on defence, and while his overall 3pt % improved it was because he shot the ball at a blistering clip for like two a half months and then shot something like 20% after the all-star break.certain aspects of his game are above average but neither Rose or Morris are differences makers or good players. You’re making out like these guys are difference makers when they’re not unless you’re talking about 7 years ago. Maybe by comparison with the crap we’ve displayed over the past decade they look like it but by league standards they’re not.

So, again, they're scrubs?

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

Scrub is an entirely subjective term, would you like to elaborate rather than trying to twist words?

[DetroitSho]

I’m just not dumb enough to actually think Rose or Morris are difference makers.

Nice goal post moving there bud. Whether you believe they're difference makers or not isn't the argument. They just need to be above average signings to contradict your point. And they are.

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

Goal post moving? By above average the assertion is that they can impact the game in an above average positive way, or sorry are we still talking about counting stats and contributing to meaningless improved visual displays? The entire point I was making was that veteran players willing to take the minimum or BAE that can actually impact a teams trajectory won’t sign here, neither Rose or Morris will do that. They will put up meaningless stats without winning us extra games or taking us further into the playoffs, maybe looking better while doing so, but they aren’t changing the teams ceiling.

Just curious of what your examples of vet minimum difference makers that change teams' playoff trajectories are.

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

[DBC10]

Are you not old enough to remember when the team signed Derrick Rose and Markieff Morris to come off the bench?

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

He said above average. And they weren't acquired via vet min level contracts, only via our portion of MLE and BAE.

And people forget that they both fell off a cliff after all Star break.

Homeboy the post literally speaks of vet minimum deals AND THE SAME FOR MLE's. It's right there in plain English. And what, now all of sudden Morris and Rose are scrubs? Or just in the case here of fitting narratives?

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

Must've missed that. I interpreted it as no one is coming here via vet mins unless it's an MLE from us.

Nobody here called them scrubs? People need to temper the hype in those two acquisitions.

[DetroitSho]

I don’t consider them to be good players, nor should anyone else. Rose sucks on defence, and while his overall 3pt % improved it was because he shot the ball at a blistering clip for like two a half months and then shot something like 20% after the all-star break.certain aspects of his game are above average but neither Rose or Morris are differences makers or good players. You’re making out like these guys are difference makers when they’re not unless you’re talking about 7 years ago. Maybe by comparison with the crap we’ve displayed over the past decade they look like it but by league standards they’re not.

So, again, they're scrubs?

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

Scrub is an entirely subjective term, would you like to elaborate rather than trying to twist words?

Above average is as well. It's all just opinions. There's people who don't think Russell Westbrook is a difference maker. There's people who think he's a scrub. There's of course people who properly rate him as a good player. All opinions.

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

[DetroitSho]

He said above average. And they weren't acquired via vet min level contracts, only via our portion of MLE and BAE.

And people forget that they both fell off a cliff after all Star break.

Homeboy the post literally speaks of vet minimum deals AND THE SAME FOR MLE's. It's right there in plain English. And what, now all of sudden Morris and Rose are scrubs? Or just in the case here of fitting narratives?

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

Must've missed that. I interpreted it as no one is coming here via vet mins unless it's an MLE from us.

Nobody here called them scrubs? People need to temper the hype in those two acquisitions.

People need to temper the hype? I'm people, where's the hype? I think these are 2 solid signings. I didn't see the parade line forming anywhere.

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

[DBC10]

Homeboy the post literally speaks of vet minimum deals AND THE SAME FOR MLE's. It's right there in plain English. And what, now all of sudden Morris and Rose are scrubs? Or just in the case here of fitting narratives?

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

Must've missed that. I interpreted it as no one is coming here via vet mins unless it's an MLE from us.

Nobody here called them scrubs? People need to temper the hype in those two acquisitions.

People need to temper the hype? I'm people, where's the hype? I think these are 2 solid signings. I didn't see the parade line forming anywhere.

Sent from my SM-G955U using RealGM mobile app

Yet no one called them scrubs.

I think they're good signings, check my post history, but it's not anything more than a slight over pay of their vet min value.

[Cowology]

Rose looks like an above average 6th man to me. We desperately need somebody giving us 13-15pts of the bench, bad def or not. Depending on how the roster shapes up I wouldn't be entirely surpised to see him closing games.

It's not an earth shattering move, but we are incrementally better and didn't break the bank.