Grant Williams thread

[radcot]

Sees the floor. Involves teammates. Vocal leader. Knocks down shots from inside or outside. Plays hard at both ends. High bk IQ. What's not to like? I'll be shocked if he doesn't get rotation minutes.

[Half-Full]

Sees the floor. Involves teammates. Vocal leader. Knocks down shots from inside or outside. Plays hard at both ends. High bk IQ. What's not to like? I'll be shocked if he doesn't get rotation minutes.

His character and personality are welcome additions as well.

[BostonCouchGM]

There’s no reason Grant can’t be a Draymond-esque starter in this league.

Kids got the tools. Wouldn’t shock me if he’s a starter by playoff time.

4 inches of wingspan difference is the reason. It really does make a massive difference. Draymond has a longer wingspan than Mitchell Robinson and most power forwards. It's why he's capable of guarding so many positions. Also, Draymond has elite BBIQ. Grant Williams is a high floor low ceiling role player at best. He's obviously better than Yabusele though and should stick around and contribute off the bench for years.

[BigTrade92]

There’s no reason Grant can’t be a Draymond-esque starter in this league.

Kids got the tools. Wouldn’t shock me if he’s a starter by playoff time.

4 inches of wingspan difference is the reason. It really does make a massive difference. Draymond has a longer wingspan than Mitchell Robinson and most power forwards. It's why he's capable of guarding so many positions. Also, Draymond has elite BBIQ. Grant Williams is a high floor low ceiling role player at best. He's obviously better than Yabusele though and should stick around and contribute off the bench for years.

Yeah I don’t buy a 6’11” wingspan being the reason that Williams can’t be an elite defender in this league.

Marcus Smart has a 6’9” wingspan and can practically defend any position on the floor.

[threrf23]

There’s no reason Grant can’t be a Draymond-esque starter in this league.

Kids got the tools. Wouldn’t shock me if he’s a starter by playoff time.

4 inches of wingspan difference is the reason. It really does make a massive difference. Draymond has a longer wingspan than Mitchell Robinson and most power forwards. It's why he's capable of guarding so many positions. Also, Draymond has elite BBIQ. Grant Williams is a high floor low ceiling role player at best. He's obviously better than Yabusele though and should stick around and contribute off the bench for years.

Dray's wingspan is 2.5" longer than Grant's, and about three inches shorter than Mitchell Robinson's.

[BigTrade92]

There’s no reason Grant can’t be a Draymond-esque starter in this league.

Kids got the tools. Wouldn’t shock me if he’s a starter by playoff time.

4 inches of wingspan difference is the reason. It really does make a massive difference. Draymond has a longer wingspan than Mitchell Robinson and most power forwards. It's why he's capable of guarding so many positions. Also, Draymond has elite BBIQ. Grant Williams is a high floor low ceiling role player at best. He's obviously better than Yabusele though and should stick around and contribute off the bench for years.

Dray's wingspan is 2.5" longer than Grant's, and about three inches shorter than Mitchell Robinson's.

LOL a big swing and a miss on that original post.

[Curmudgeon]

Wingspan helps, but so does strength. That's GW's elite physical tool.

[return2glory]

Wingspan doesn’t make that much of a difference. People are bribing up Draymond Green. Guess what? When I was watching Green I’m college, I knew he was a special player. He had potential for a triple double.

I would have taken him too 15. Just like I was have taken Carsen Edwards top 15. And Draymond slipped because he was short for his height. And GM after GM passed up on him because of his lack of height.

[sully00]

Wingspan doesn’t make that much of a difference. People are bribing up Draymond Green. Guess what? When I was watching Green I’m college, I knew he was a special player. He had potential for a triple double.

I would have taken him too 15. Just like I was have taken Carsen Edwards top 15. And Draymond slipped because he was short for his height. And GM after GM passed up on him because of his lack of height.

To be fair it wasn't just lack of height he didn't have the athleticism to play SF and he wasn't an NBA prospect until his senior of college, he was barely a top 100 recruit. I don't think he slipped at all nobody had him projected as a first round pick. Sure people liked him but nobody really viewed him as an NBA starter. He is has capitalized on the opportunity for sure but he is also benefited from a changing landscape some of which he created. When he came into the league PF's were rebounding at 17-18% and centers in the 20's he has broken 14% once and is 13% for his career. The league has changed to the point that if you are mediocre 3 pt shooter then they can put up with you being a mediocre rebounder if you play some defense.

[sully00]

Wingspan helps, but so does strength. That's GW's elite physical tool.

I think the length thing is overrated with Williams the issue is that he doesn't play above the rim. He is very much in the mold of Ryan Gomes, probably not as good a shooter from deep but stronger and has a little more nasty in him. I think the NBA is going to be a lot more welcoming to a guy with that type of game today than it was 15 years ago. Honestly if you get 10/5 on 33% from 3 out of the guy for 7 or 8 years great pick.

[brackdan70]

Wingspan doesn’t make that much of a difference. People are bribing up Draymond Green. Guess what? When I was watching Green I’m college, I knew he was a special player. He had potential for a triple double.

I would have taken him too 15. Just like I was have taken Carsen Edwards top 15. And Draymond slipped because he was short for his height. And GM after GM passed up on him because of his lack of height.

He was and still is short for his height.

[return2glory]

Wingspan doesn’t make that much of a difference. People are bribing up Draymond Green. Guess what? When I was watching Green I’m college, I knew he was a special player. He had potential for a triple double.

I would have taken him too 15. Just like I was have taken Carsen Edwards top 15. And Draymond slipped because he was short for his height. And GM after GM passed up on him because of his lack of height.

He was and still is short for his height.

Lol. Meant for his position.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Wingspan helps, but so does strength. That's GW's elite physical tool.

I think the length thing is overrated with Williams the issue is that he doesn't play above the rim. He is very much in the mold of Ryan Gomes, probably not as good a shooter from deep but stronger and has a little more nasty in him. I think the NBA is going to be a lot more welcoming to a guy with that type of game today than it was 15 years ago. Honestly if you get 10/5 on 33% from 3 out of the guy for 7 or 8 years great pick.

Williams is better than Gomes - his basketball IQ is better - if Gomes was a B student in that respect, Grant is the valedictorian - and he’s more fluid offensively, and looks to be able to score around taller defenders in a way Gomes couldn’t.

[sully00]

Wingspan helps, but so does strength. That's GW's elite physical tool.

I think the length thing is overrated with Williams the issue is that he doesn't play above the rim. He is very much in the mold of Ryan Gomes, probably not as good a shooter from deep but stronger and has a little more nasty in him. I think the NBA is going to be a lot more welcoming to a guy with that type of game today than it was 15 years ago. Honestly if you get 10/5 on 33% from 3 out of the guy for 7 or 8 years great pick.

Williams is better than Gomes - his basketball IQ is better - if Gomes was a B student in that respect, Grant is the valedictorian - and he’s more fluid offensively, and looks to be able to score around taller defenders in a way Gomes couldn’t.

No not at the NCAA level Gomes could score against anyone and had a more perimeter oriented game than Williams. I think Gomes would have a much better go of it in today's NBA than he did 15 years ago and at that like I said 7-8 years of double figures is pretty damn good. Williams is a total load though more physical than Gomes and able to get to the line a ton. Watching him in green he also reminds a lot of Pierce with his ability to break his man down and make the game go at his tempo.

Bottom line if your getting to the line 7 times a game in major conference your doing something very right.

[threrf23]

Going by combine results, Williams is much more agile than Gomes was, stronger, and has slightly better hops. Although Gomes had a better wingspan than Dray.

Going by the eye test, I don't remember Gomes ever impressing me as much on the defensive end.

While Williams has a strong NBA body as is, it's also easy to forget that he's still 20 years old. He turns 21 end of November and will hopefully gain some added athleticism over the course of this season.

He's actually about four years younger than Yabu.

[Upperclass]

Some Celts fan are going to be really disappointed with the result here. Clarke/Thybulle/Trade/Edwards likely shouldve been the direction to go. Imo Grant will make more of an impact as a coach in a few years.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I think the length thing is overrated with Williams the issue is that he doesn't play above the rim. He is very much in the mold of Ryan Gomes, probably not as good a shooter from deep but stronger and has a little more nasty in him. I think the NBA is going to be a lot more welcoming to a guy with that type of game today than it was 15 years ago. Honestly if you get 10/5 on 33% from 3 out of the guy for 7 or 8 years great pick.

Williams is better than Gomes - his basketball IQ is better - if Gomes was a B student in that respect, Grant is the valedictorian - and he’s more fluid offensively, and looks to be able to score around taller defenders in a way Gomes couldn’t.

No not at the NCAA level Gomes could score against anyone and had a more perimeter oriented game than Williams. I think Gomes would have a much better go of it in today's NBA than he did 15 years ago and at that like I said 7-8 years of double figures is pretty damn good. Williams is a total load though more physical than Gomes and able to get to the line a ton. Watching him in green he also reminds a lot of Pierce with his ability to break his man down and make the game go at his tempo.

Bottom line if your getting to the line 7 times a game in major conference your doing something very right.

Yeah, I don't know if I can explain it.. Gomes scored a lot in college, he was able to post up regularly and had to transition to more perimeter play in the pros - but his move set was always a little pre-programmed - Grant is more instinctive, he's very good with shot fakes and pivots - and he can find daylight - like that floater he put up yesterday - he's just craftier.

[Fencer reregistered]

There’s no reason Grant can’t be a Draymond-esque starter in this league.

Kids got the tools. Wouldn’t shock me if he’s a starter by playoff time.

4 inches of wingspan difference is the reason. It really does make a massive difference. Draymond has a longer wingspan than Mitchell Robinson and most power forwards. It's why he's capable of guarding so many positions. Also, Draymond has elite BBIQ. Grant Williams is a high floor low ceiling role player at best. He's obviously better than Yabusele though and should stick around and contribute off the bench for years.

Yeah I don’t buy a 6’11” wingspan being the reason that Williams can’t be an elite defender in this league.

Marcus Smart has a 6’9” wingspan and can practically defend any position on the floor.

Smart only defends PFs and centers in short (as it were) stretches (as it were).

[Fencer reregistered]

Can somebody as seemingly sane as Williams play defense like the Rodmans and Artests or even Smarts and Draymonds of the world?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Can somebody as seemingly sane as Williams play defense like the Rodmans and Artests or even Smarts and Draymonds of the world?

Shane Battier was a great defensive player who didn't have a chip on his shoulder, or a chip malfunctioning..