Thunder Offseason Thread

[Old Man Game]

No it isn't, I'm talking about offering neutral value for a bad contact with potential on a rebuilding team. Risk changes based on the current circumstances.

Is it accurate to call that neutral if you are taking on that contact though? Seems like you're putting yourself in a worse position longer term to save some tax and in the wishing he turns good.

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I'd call Gallo + robes neutral at best.

Yeah but what of the assessment of Wiggins value in that transaction. He may actively make your situation more difficult to acquire other assets and rebuild.

It'd be like trading someone an extra TV you weren't using for a window unit air conditioner only to have the A/C leak all over your wall and floor necessitating replacement of the drywall and carpet. The TV was of neutral value/no value to you but the transaction wasn't without a cost to you when it was said and done.

[ThunderBolt]

Oh, we absolutely have a good idea of what he will probably become, but nobody thought Vic was going to be an all Star after his extension either.

That's true but he wasn't a bad player on a horrible contract either.

[Old Man Game]

Oh, we absolutely have a good idea of what he will probably become, but nobody thought Vic was going to be an all Star after his extension either.

That's true but he wasn't a bad player on a horrible contract either.

Also, what happened with Victor was pretty unusual as leaps by so so sort of players go (and he was better than WIggins to begin with: http://bkref.com/tiny/8F3Xa ). I guess we can be thankful that after we acquired former top 5 pick Hasheem Thabeet he also went on to become an all star caliber player.

[ThunderBolt]

Oh, we absolutely have a good idea of what he will probably become, but nobody thought Vic was going to be an all Star after his extension either.

That's true but he wasn't a bad player on a horrible contract either.

Also, what happened with Victor was pretty unusual as leaps by so so sort of players go. I guess we can be thankful that after we acquired former top 5 pick Hasheem Thabeet he also went on to become and all star caliber player.

I'm not against taking wiggins if we get some kind of an asset back. Russ will likely be pretty bad by the end of the contract and its more expensive than Wiggins'. However I think the likelihood of the wolves getting a significant contribution from Westrook for a couple of years is greater than getting anything from Wiggins, imo.

[Old Man Game]

This seems like the sort of guy Presti would have been high on instead of trading:

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[slick_watts]

i would trade gallo + robes for wiggins if we get at least one minnesota unprotected 1st. and assuming we do a westbrook trade which does not result in taking on some other long term salary (e.g. paul)

[Old Man Game]

That's true but he wasn't a bad player on a horrible contract either.

Also, what happened with Victor was pretty unusual as leaps by so so sort of players go. I guess we can be thankful that after we acquired former top 5 pick Hasheem Thabeet he also went on to become and all star caliber player.

I'm not against taking wiggins if we get some kind of an asset back. Russ will likely be pretty bad by the end of the contract and its more expensive than Wiggins'. However I think the likelihood of the wolves getting a significant contribution from Westrook for a couple of years is greater than getting anything from Wiggins, imo.

Sure if the package was right. Just don't pin any of your justification on, 'well that one time we had another player who was a disappointing former top 5 pick and he later became an all star.'


[Also I thought it was Gallo & Robes, not Westbrook]

[spearsy23]

Also, what happened with Victor was pretty unusual as leaps by so so sort of players go. I guess we can be thankful that after we acquired former top 5 pick Hasheem Thabeet he also went on to become and all star caliber player.

I'm not against taking wiggins if we get some kind of an asset back. Russ will likely be pretty bad by the end of the contract and its more expensive than Wiggins'. However I think the likelihood of the wolves getting a significant contribution from Westrook for a couple of years is greater than getting anything from Wiggins, imo.

Sure if the package was right. Just don't pin any of your justification on, 'well that one time we had another player who was a disappointing former top 5 pick and he later became an all star.'

The point is that what a 24 year old looks like one year isn't necessarily what they'll actually be.

[Old Man Game]

I'm not against taking wiggins if we get some kind of an asset back. Russ will likely be pretty bad by the end of the contract and its more expensive than Wiggins'. However I think the likelihood of the wolves getting a significant contribution from Westrook for a couple of years is greater than getting anything from Wiggins, imo.

Sure if the package was right. Just don't pin any of your justification on, 'well that one time we had another player who was a disappointing former top 5 pick and he later became an all star.'

The point is that what a 24 year old looks like one year isn't necessarily what they'll actually be.

There are no certainties in life but at age 23 respectively (Wiggins turned 24 in February) Vic was a 1.8 BPM and Wiggins put up -2.9. I don't know, you all are more studied on advanced stats than I but I thought -2.9 was supposed to be close to unplayable. http://bkref.com/tiny/eu5Vs

[ThunderBolt]

I wonder if a team like Boston would be interested in Grant since they don't really have a good option at pf.

[Thundershock88]

Media really pushing to try and get Russ to Miami. It doesn't make any sense to trade him there with the draft picks we got.

[ThunderBolt]

Media really pushing to try and get Russ to Miami. It doesn't make any sense to trade him there with the draft picks we got.

I think the only one it really hurts is for next year. By the time the other one rolls around, russ will be using a walker. I not sure Jimmy Butler doesn't decline a significant amount by that time too.

[Thundershock88]

Media really pushing to try and get Russ to Miami. It doesn't make any sense to trade him there with the draft picks we got.

I think the only one it really hurts is for next year. By the time the other one rolls around, russ will be using a walker. I not sure Jimmy Butler doesn't decline a significant amount by that time too.

If we can get Herro I'm more than fine with it. I think he's the real deal.

[slick_watts]

westbrook + patterson for dragic + waiters + winslow is within 100k incoming and outgoing salaries. westbrook could have more value than this if indeed multiple teams are vying for him. i'm dubious of that. but i wouldn't be unhappy with clearing the majority of his future salary and adding winslow who was only seven spots behind westbrook on rpm last season. winslow has a 2020-21 team option so there's a lot of flexibility depending on how he progresses. and of course dion waiters would be super entertaining on a team with no expectations that wants a lottery pick as high as possible.

[Balkman32]

Thunder trade Grant to Denver for a 2020 First Rounder...

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[slick_watts]

pillhendreher got his wish.

[thedoppelganger]

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Hmm...

[Dadouv47]

thought we could get more value for Grant

[slick_watts]

this opens up a roster spot which could be important post-bazley signing and considering the kinds of trade proposals are swirling re: westbrook.