NBA TV just broke some news: Tyus Jones agrees to contract with Memphis

[jpatrick]

I wonder if the idea behind not re-signing might be to give Culver time at backup PG position in order to speed up his overal development. Like we did with Lavine. To me it makes more sense than Teague as full time PG or Napier as backup PG.


Could anyone clarify whether we could re-sign him this summer for that 25/4? Or it was only possible last offseason? As far as I remember Thibs did not offer anything last offseason, does it mean that we could not resign after that deadline?

We definitely could have agreed to an extension this offseason. It sounds like Rosas didn’t have a lot of negotiation though, although that info is from a biased source, Tyus’ agent.

My guess is either he was hoping to get him back on an even more team friendly deal, maybe less money, maybe shorter or with a team option. The other option is he doesn’t want to tie up money in a backup PG.

I lean towards us not matching but we certainly might. Trying to use restricted free agency to get a player to sign an ultra team friendly contract doesn’t mean mgmt doesn’t like a player. Rosas and the Rockets essentially did this with Capela last offseason.

[minimus]

I wonder if the idea behind not re-signing might be to give Culver time at backup PG position in order to speed up his overal development. Like we did with Lavine. To me it makes more sense than Teague as full time PG or Napier as backup PG.


Could anyone clarify whether we could re-sign him this summer for that 25/4? Or it was only possible last offseason? As far as I remember Thibs did not offer anything last offseason, does it mean that we could not resign after that deadline?

We definitely could have agreed to an extension this offseason. It sounds like Rosas didn’t have a lot of negotiation though, although that info is from a biased source, Tyus’ agent.

My guess is either he was hoping to get him back on an even more team friendly deal, maybe less money, maybe shorter or with a team option. The other option is he doesn’t want to tie up money in a backup PG.

I lean towards us not matching but we certainly might. Trying to use restricted free agency to get a player to sign an ultra team friendly contract doesn’t mean mgmt doesn’t like a player. Rosas and the Rockets essentially did this with Capela last offseason.

I thought that we could not re-sign him because Thibs missed rookie extension deadline.

[jpatrick]

We could have signed Tyus to a rookie extension from last July until the start of last regular season. After we played our first game, we missed our window to sign him until this offseason but we could have negotiated an extension this offseason.

I wonder if Rosas thought Tyus would just sign the qualifying offer?

[RufusTrufus]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think we won't match the offer. With all the talk of flexibility and star-chasing, I just think it might put us too close to the tax line for comfort.

We could probably sign someone like Jeremy Lin for half that amount.....someone Rosas and Pascucci both have connections with from Houston and Brooklyn.

Cleveland has Garland, Sexton, Clarkson, Knight and Dellavedova. Someone should get waived and most are decent enough to compete with Napier. Smart teams find slots to save resources while getting something out of thin air. A 3&D PG makes sense if the plan is to maximize Culver/KAT interactions.

Also I wouldn't take for granted giving up on Teague midterm. He is going to be on another completely different level salary wise and on a lesser role. Interesting place holder while they find someone else. Solid player with bad press, injuries and lack of direction hampered him.

[minimus]

We could have signed Tyus to a rookie extension from last July until the start of last regular season. After we played our first game, we missed our window to sign him until this offseason but we could have negotiated an extension this offseason.

I wonder if Rosas thought Tyus would just sign the qualifying offer?

Gambled on D-Lo Russell trade?

[Piecake]

I think people who are hesitant to match Tyus' offer doesnt really think Tyus is not that good, but taking Rosas' side of maintaining flexibility.
And yes people would say "even with cap space, no one will sign here". But maintaining financial flexibility is really important for small market teams to make some big moves. Our cap situation was the big showstopper in gaining traction with DAngelo.

That's true but it's only cuz Dieng and Wiggins contracts were too large to move. This Jones contract would be very easy to move in his third year as an expiring contract, which leaves his second year in question. 2yr/16mil still will be pretty easy to move if a move must be made in my mind. Tyus helps this team as many have pointed to his ball handling and his ability to protect the ball, which Tyus does the best on this roster. He is only 23 years old and will most likely improve.

The benefit of cap space isn't simply to sign more players, it is to help facilitate deals between teams who have cap space problems. As we have seen, the price for being a facilitator is a first round pick, which is something that the wolves quite need right now.

We certainly can't do that until teague and dieng come off our books, but unless the last year of the deal is a team option or only partially guaranteed, then this would not work well with that plan.

[SaintS]

I wonder if the idea behind not re-signing might be to give Culver time at backup PG position in order to speed up his overal development. Like we did with Lavine. To me it makes more sense than Teague as full time PG or Napier as backup PG.


Could anyone clarify whether we could re-sign him this summer for that 25/4? Or it was only possible last offseason? As far as I remember Thibs did not offer anything last offseason, does it mean that we could not resign after that deadline?

We definitely could have agreed to an extension this offseason. It sounds like Rosas didn’t have a lot of negotiation though, although that info is from a biased source, Tyus’ agent.

My guess is either he was hoping to get him back on an even more team friendly deal, maybe less money, maybe shorter or with a team option. The other option is he doesn’t want to tie up money in a backup PG.

I lean towards us not matching but we certainly might. Trying to use restricted free agency to get a player to sign an ultra team friendly contract doesn’t mean mgmt doesn’t like a player. Rosas and the Rockets essentially did this with Capela last offseason.

I thought that we could not re-sign him because Thibs missed rookie extension deadline.

if we look on Tibs extentions may be it's not bad that he missed the date

[minimus]

We definitely could have agreed to an extension this offseason. It sounds like Rosas didn’t have a lot of negotiation though, although that info is from a biased source, Tyus’ agent.

My guess is either he was hoping to get him back on an even more team friendly deal, maybe less money, maybe shorter or with a team option. The other option is he doesn’t want to tie up money in a backup PG.

I lean towards us not matching but we certainly might. Trying to use restricted free agency to get a player to sign an ultra team friendly contract doesn’t mean mgmt doesn’t like a player. Rosas and the Rockets essentially did this with Capela last offseason.

I thought that we could not re-sign him because Thibs missed rookie extension deadline.

if we look on Tibs extentions may be it's not bad that he missed the date

I wish we signed Tyus for that 25/4.

[SaintS]

I thought that we could not re-sign him because Thibs missed rookie extension deadline.

if we look on Tibs extentions may be it's not bad that he missed the date

I wish we signed Tyus for that 25/4.

it's a fair price
But I’m against matching MEM offer.
I don’t see that we need Tyus at his point of the career in Minnesota. He can be a good back up of the play off calibre team.
But for what we have to pay for Tyus ?!
He can turn our W-L record ? – No
He can help to develop current roster ? – NO
He can become a starting PG ? – No

My point , that before signing back ups for 3 or 4 years contracts we have to sign or draft starting PG.

[Worm Guts]

We could have signed Tyus to a rookie extension from last July until the start of last regular season. After we played our first game, we missed our window to sign him until this offseason but we could have negotiated an extension this offseason.

I wonder if Rosas thought Tyus would just sign the qualifying offer?

Gambled on D-Lo Russell trade?

I don't think we wanted to make a fair offer. I don't think we wanted to give the 3rd year, although there was probably no way around that if we wanted to keep him.

[minimus]

if we look on Tibs extentions may be it's not bad that he missed the date

I wish we signed Tyus for that 25/4.

it's a fair price
But I’m against matching MEM offer.
I don’t see that we need Tyus at his point of the career in Minnesota. He can be a good back up of the play off calibre team.
But for what we have to pay for Tyus ?!
He can turn our W-L record ? – No
He can help to develop current roster ? – NO
He can become a starting PG ? – No

My point , that before signing back ups for 3 or 4 years contracts we have to sign or draft starting PG.

No PG from draft can help us in West conference games, because he will play against Conley, Curry, CP3, Holiday, Dame, Westbrook etc.

As Rosas said many times "we must maximize KAT window". Keeping Tyus as pass first PG fits this criterion, because he definetely makes other players better. Given how our roster is constructed trading for starting caliber PG at the moment is very difficult. Also drafting starting PG normally takes 2-3 yrs till the moment when a young PG can actually deliver. So I'd try to match Tyus offer and wait for another chance to strike in trade market.

[jpatrick]

We could have signed Tyus to a rookie extension from last July until the start of last regular season. After we played our first game, we missed our window to sign him until this offseason but we could have negotiated an extension this offseason.

I wonder if Rosas thought Tyus would just sign the qualifying offer?

Gambled on D-Lo Russell trade?

I don't think we wanted to make a fair offer. I don't think we wanted to give the 3rd year, although there was probably no way around that if we wanted to keep him.

I agree with this. I think Rosas wants the books cleared by the 2021 offseason. That is supposedly the next summer with a large number of quality free agents.

This plan will take dumping Wiggins for an expiring or two year deal though.

[Jedzz]

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I really think Minnesota should match here, I think Tyus is a really healthy piece for this team.

How convenient that Grizzlies up the ante for Tyus, but make sure to stop just shy of forcing Wolves into Lux in order to match for him.

This seems like either a spiteful move, or a favor to the Wolves or to Tyus' agent by request.

Would be easier to sign him if he ever proved he could hit 3s, or distance 2s for that matter. Dome mentions "healthy player" and I think that is a big positive to go with his abilities. I just don't know if I sign a single other player that can't shoot longterm.

[shangrila]

I'm a little surprised Memphis seemingly prefers Jones to Wright. I'd rather Wright personally.

Aside from that, I agree we're in a tricky spot. It's not too much of an overpay...but still a little bit of an overpay. Jones is a decent backup PG but that's about it, and hardly without significant flaws (shooting/scoring). But if we don't match you're left with Teague and Napier as the lone PGs on the roster, which isn't good.

My main issue with Tyus is that he's always been a one position defender, which in turn means he's kind of capped with how many minutes you can give him without having a large PG starting ahead of him. With someone like Russell (either one really) you can shift them to SG for spurts and be fine, but Teague you never could so it limits Jones' value to us retroactively.

Personally, I'd match. It's a bit of a hard pill to swallow but it's not TOO bad that it cripples us. I mean, even if you're looking for flexibility in 2 years you'd only have a 8mil expiring to move. That should be more than doable especially if your player development is strong and you can improve his shooting/scoring. And we did give Layman a 3yr deal so we're not "all in" on 2021 as it is, so there's precedence for this.

[shrink]

I'm a little surprised Memphis seemingly prefers Jones to Wright. I'd rather Wright personally.

Since MEM got Wright as salary filler, and they were able to sign-and-trade him for profit to DAL, their actual comparison was:

Wright for $29, or Tyus for $24? plus two second rounders.

I prefer Tyus straight up, but I certainly like the deal for MEM with the incentives.

[KGdaBom]

Its 24mil for 3 years, i think we match that

I heard incentives could make it $28 million. I don't know how easily attainable the incentives are.

[KGdaBom]

I think MIN has to let him go at that price. Back up PG’s shouldn’t get this much.

Damn, I liked Tyus. Such a smart player.

I tend to view him as our starter and generally a better option than Teague. I think we'll match. I have heard next draft is full of good PG prospects however, so wouldn't be completely surprised if we don't match with the thought of drafting a PG next draft.

We had a winning record when Teague started and a very losing record when Tyus started. Now that could be Tyus only started when Teague was not available so we didn't have depth when Tyus started. Maybe we really need them both and should match.

[Pooh24]

I think Rosas is a sharp guy. Trading Saric before you have to overpay him, drafting Culver and signing Layman confirms that.

But this is a strange one. 4/25$m was too much for Tyus? Every time I watched Wolves in the last couple of years I thought to myself: 'Is there a young PG in a worse situation?' Jones is a perfect player to gamble on.

Maybe I'm missing something. What is the plan for you guys?

IMO current roster will fight for the8th seed. Teague and Wiggins don't fit with Rosas' philosophy. Missing out on Russell really hurts. I just hope that ownership won't panic and pressure FO to do silly things like trading for Westbrook. I can't see a long-term PG being available now, maybe Dragic as a short-term upgrade?

Except for the fact when he drafted Culver, he moved up in the draft to get Garland not Culver. He thought Garland was going to be there.

[PharmD]

I'm letting Tyus go. That's too much for a backup PG.

Tyus would be best on a great team where he's the 5th best player on the floor. He can take care of the ball and be smart. He was really good for us when we had Jimmy here but without a star wing we need a PG that can make things happen a bit more.

[minimus]

I'm letting Tyus go. That's too much for a backup PG.

Tyus would be best on a great team where he's the 5th best player on the floor. He can take care of the ball and be smart. He was really good for us when we had Jimmy here but without a star wing we need a PG that can make things happen a bit more.

I dont understand why Rubio is worth 17mil, Rozier is worth 19mil, while Tyus is not worth 9 mil.