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Post#2721 » by Balkman32 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 6:37 pm

Old Man Game wrote:This all feels a little surreal doesn't it? After all these years of heartbreak, hope and then mediocrity to finally see it all coming to an end. Best of luck to Westbrook. I hope he somehow gets in a situation where he can get a ring at some point, even if its just as a role player, late career addition guy like Gary Payton.


So you want to sign him to a minimum deal in 23-24? Got it :D
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Post#2722 » by jambalaya » Mon Jul 8, 2019 6:41 pm

I don't have high expectations for Ferguson and Diallo but give them bigger roles & minutes and see.

I am much higher on Dort. He could be a starter at some point this season.

Lots of other youngsters in Thunder orbit to play or move on from.

Bazley, might not be ready but should get at least a few hundred minutes.
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Post#2723 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Jul 8, 2019 6:43 pm

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Old Man Game wrote:Gottlieb was on local radio just now. Said that a source with another team who worked out Bazley said he was so bad shooting they actually suggested to him to try shooting right handed. I guess he does everything right handed but for some reason shoots the ball left handed.

How is it possible to play basketball for so long and have guys like this a simmons?


I think I sort of understand. I'm one of these quasi-ambidextrous people myself. I do everything right handed except I hand write with my left hand. It just feels natural. Something in the wiring upstairs got short circuited I guess. It seems Simmons and Bazley have the same problem but it exhibited itself in shooting a ball.

I am the same way. Its called being cross dominant. I write left handed and do just about everything else right handed. I still was a better shooter than ben simmons by a lot.
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Post#2724 » by Old Man Game » Mon Jul 8, 2019 6:44 pm

Dude. Desmond Mason on NBA Radio right now burning all the bridges. Says Russell has always been about Russell. Said Russell was his rookie and that KD used to come to him to try to get him to get through to Russell. I wish these were available to post online so you all could hear it.
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Post#2725 » by Old Man Game » Mon Jul 8, 2019 6:46 pm

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ThunderBolt wrote:How is it possible to play basketball for so long and have guys like this a simmons?


I think I sort of understand. I'm one of these quasi-ambidextrous people myself. I do everything right handed except I hand write with my left hand. It just feels natural. Something in the wiring upstairs got short circuited I guess. It seems Simmons and Bazley have the same problem but it exhibited itself in shooting a ball.

I am the same way. Its called being cross dominant. I write left handed and do just about everything else right handed. I still was a better shooter than ben simmons by a lot.


That's crazy. I've wondered about it my entire life but I'd never heard that term. Good to know there's others of us out there.
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Post#2726 » by jambalaya » Mon Jul 8, 2019 6:47 pm

Presti might extend Donovan to run the young developmental team for a few more years.

Might be harder now to get a name NBA coach, not that Presti is willing anyways.

When they move on to a new coach it will probably be a name college coach or an under 40 NBA assistant.
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Post#2727 » by Kizz Fastfists » Mon Jul 8, 2019 6:49 pm

Old Man Game wrote:Dude. Desmond Mason on NBA Radio right now burning all the bridges. Says Russell has always been about Russell. Said Russell was his rookie and that KD used to come to him to try to get him to get through to Russell. I wish these were available to post online so you all could hear it.


This does not surprise anyone that has been paying attention to Thunder basketball through Russ' career. I do wish he would have waited a week for Russ to be traded before he started spewing the truth out there. However, the teams chasing Russ are so desperate that it probably doesn't change anything. Hopefully, Russ will be on the Heat in 24 hours to boost the value of our 2021 draft pick from them, it could probably get the protections removed on the 2023 pick and get us an unprotected 2025 pick...might even get pick swaps in 2022 and 2024. LAC pick swaps are 2023 and 2025.
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Post#2728 » by Old Man Game » Mon Jul 8, 2019 6:51 pm

Old Man Game wrote:Dude. Desmond Mason on NBA Radio right now burning all the bridges. Says Russell has always been about Russell. Said Russell was his rookie and that KD used to come to him to try to get him to get through to Russell. I wish these were available to post online so you all could hear it.


They just said bye to Dez and even the guys on the show (Rick Mahorn and a couple other dudes) were laughing about how unflinching the criticism was. They said, 'Dez, you were dropping some nuggets here. We gotta have you back on more often.'
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Post#2729 » by Old Man Game » Mon Jul 8, 2019 6:52 pm

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Old Man Game wrote:Dude. Desmond Mason on NBA Radio right now burning all the bridges. Says Russell has always been about Russell. Said Russell was his rookie and that KD used to come to him to try to get him to get through to Russell. I wish these were available to post online so you all could hear it.


This does not surprise anyone that has been paying attention to Thunder basketball through Russ' career. I do wish he would have waited a week for Russ to be traded before he started spewing the truth out there. However, the teams chasing Russ are so desperate that it probably doesn't change anything. Hopefully, Russ will be on the Heat in 24 hours to boost the value of our 2021 draft pick from them, it could probably get the protections removed on the 2023 pick and get us an unprotected 2025 pick...might even get pick swaps in 2022 and 2024. LAC pick swaps are 2023 and 2025.


Dez even said the thunder 'created that monster and now they can't deal with it.'
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Post#2730 » by Kizz Fastfists » Mon Jul 8, 2019 6:53 pm

jambalaya wrote:Presti might extend Donovan to run the young developmental team for a few more years.


I think Donovan coaches out the year and then is assessed. Remember that Presti changed coaches in his first year in OKC promoting Scott Brooks after initially bringing in the washed up P.J. Carlesimo. There will be several coaching options a next off-season and if Presti is offering a long leash, 3 years is a long leash in today's NBA, to mold a young team then he could probably get a high quality coach. Even if it isn't someone that gets mixed reactions to, i.e. Dave Jaerger.
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Post#2731 » by Balkman32 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 6:53 pm

After reviewing https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

ATL, BOS and NYK have the best first round pick stash. Each team has all of their picks and the following.

ATL has our 2022 First, BK 2020, and an unlikely Cleveland 1st (that becomes a 2nd in 21 and 22).
BOS has Memphis (Protected 1-6, unprotected in 2021 from a 2015 Jeff Green Trade) and Milwaukee's first round picks in 2020.
NYK has Dallas' first round picks in 2021 and 2023.

I doubt ATL has any interest in trading for one of our guys right now. But, if they are good they could be a team that buys a guy at the deadline a la Roberson or Gallo.

I think both Boston and NYK would have interest in Westbrook. Now making the money match will be impossible for the Knicks right now and Kemba and Westbrook together on the same court does not make a ton of sense.
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Post#2732 » by oreojenkins » Mon Jul 8, 2019 6:55 pm

Westbrook doesn't strike me as the type to let some journeyman vet boss him around, even as a rookie. Sorry not sorry he didn't want to run to Michaels and pick you up some sculpting materials.
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Post#2733 » by Balkman32 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 6:56 pm

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Old Man Game wrote:Dude. Desmond Mason on NBA Radio right now burning all the bridges. Says Russell has always been about Russell. Said Russell was his rookie and that KD used to come to him to try to get him to get through to Russell. I wish these were available to post online so you all could hear it.


This does not surprise anyone that has been paying attention to Thunder basketball through Russ' career. I do wish he would have waited a week for Russ to be traded before he started spewing the truth out there. However, the teams chasing Russ are so desperate that it probably doesn't change anything. Hopefully, Russ will be on the Heat in 24 hours to boost the value of our 2021 draft pick from them, it could probably get the protections removed on the 2023 pick and get us an unprotected 2025 pick...might even get pick swaps in 2022 and 2024. LAC pick swaps are 2023 and 2025.


Russ will win the Heat games by him self in 20-21, so I don't think that is the right move.

Why would we deal him to Miami we have their first round picks already. Trade him to the Knicks.

Or Maybe the Knicks can back out of their wack deals. LOL
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Post#2734 » by slick_watts » Mon Jul 8, 2019 6:58 pm

oreojenkins wrote:Westbrook doesn't strike me as the type to let some journeyman vet boss him around, even as a rookie. Sorry not sorry he didn't want to run to Michaels and pick you up some sculpting materials.


these are all criticisms of westbrook that align with what any impartial observer would perceive.
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Post#2735 » by oreojenkins » Mon Jul 8, 2019 6:58 pm

Also after crapping all over Wiggins, I'd take Wiggins + salary filler + a combination of three of Culver and future first round picks.
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Post#2736 » by spearsy23 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 7:00 pm

This is like what I do every time I start a new my league in 2k. This is going to a fun season in a lot of ways.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#2737 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Jul 8, 2019 7:02 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
jambalaya wrote:Presti might extend Donovan to run the young developmental team for a few more years.


I think Donovan coaches out the year and then is assessed. Remember that Presti changed coaches in his first year in OKC promoting Scott Brooks after initially bringing in the washed up P.J. Carlesimo. There will be several coaching options a next off-season and if Presti is offering a long leash, 3 years is a long leash in today's NBA, to mold a young team then he could probably get a high quality coach. Even if it isn't someone that gets mixed reactions to, i.e. Dave Jaerger.


I don't disagree with that but I have never heard Desmond Mason say anything positive about the thunder.
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Post#2738 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Jul 8, 2019 7:04 pm

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Old Man Game wrote:Dude. Desmond Mason on NBA Radio right now burning all the bridges. Says Russell has always been about Russell. Said Russell was his rookie and that KD used to come to him to try to get him to get through to Russell. I wish these were available to post online so you all could hear it.


This does not surprise anyone that has been paying attention to Thunder basketball through Russ' career. I do wish he would have waited a week for Russ to be traded before he started spewing the truth out there. However, the teams chasing Russ are so desperate that it probably doesn't change anything. Hopefully, Russ will be on the Heat in 24 hours to boost the value of our 2021 draft pick from them, it could probably get the protections removed on the 2023 pick and get us an unprotected 2025 pick...might even get pick swaps in 2022 and 2024. LAC pick swaps are 2023 and 2025.


Russ will win the Heat games by him self in 20-21, so I don't think that is the right move.

Why would we deal him to Miami we have their first round picks already. Trade him to the Knicks.

Or Maybe the Knicks can back out of their wack deals. LOL


What if next year and the following year Russ declines as much as he did from 2018 season to the 2019 season? That has the potential to get very ugly.
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Post#2739 » by spearsy23 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 7:07 pm

Old Man Game wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:Gottlieb was on local radio just now. Said that a source with another team who worked out Bazley said he was so bad shooting they actually suggested to him to try shooting right handed. I guess he does everything right handed but for some reason shoots the ball left handed.

How is it possible to play basketball for so long and have guys like this a simmons?


I think I sort of understand. I'm one of these quasi-ambidextrous people myself. I do everything right handed except I hand write with my left hand. It just feels natural. Something in the wiring upstairs got short circuited I guess. It seems Simmons and Bazley have the same problem but it exhibited itself in shooting a ball.

Apparently this is more common than I thought. I'm a lefty who writes and plays any racquet sports right handed.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#2740 » by spearsy23 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 7:09 pm

Sam presti is turning this situation a little hinkie
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.

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