Trade for Westbrook?

[thesack12]

Point still stands with Zion and company being free agents that year

Well considering this year's rookie class has literally played zero NBA games, I'll personally reserve judgement for now on trying to project how prestigious the 2023 free agent class is going to be.

It is last years class, plus all the players who signed 4 year deals this year (DLo would be the best as if right now) along with guys like Embiied and Jockic. Won’t be all of them obviously, but it looks much better than next years class.

Its only last year's class if Russ opts out in 2022 (which aint happening). All 1st round rookies get 4 year deals. So Doncic/Young/et all are contracted for the 18-19, 19-20, 20-21, 21-22 seasons. Russ' contract runs through 22-23.

Most the notable guys who signed 4 year contracts this summer will be at or near the end of the line in 2023.

[thesack12]

Knicks can't do a deal until December 15th. I can't see OKC opening up the season with Westbrook and playing a couple months.

I imagine the Knicks are a little salty about the timing of this series of events. Had this played out a week ago, NY armed with their 70+ mil in cap space, would have gladly sent OKC Ntilikina + a 1st for Russ.

Everybody would have been happy. OKC gets immediate and immense cap relief, a young "prospect", and a FRP. New York would have gotten their superstar and still had 40 mil in cap space left to build around him. Russ would have been able to maximize his marketability along with being able to form a cross town rivalry with his nemesis.

Thay actually makes me feel a little sad inside for them
What the hell are the Knicks doing signing all those scrubs

I do feel a little for Knicks fans. They have amassed copious amounts of cap space in the headlining summers you'd want it in. But they always come away very dissapointed. Dolan is wrecking that team...

Then I remember that unlike Detroit, the Knicks have actually won a playoff series this decade. Also, unlike Detroit they have drafted a superstar. Although they managed to alienate him in short order. Then I remember that Detroit doesn't have an owner with a great basketball minded head on his shoulders either.

[ven412]

Well considering this year's rookie class has literally played zero NBA games, I'll personally reserve judgement for now on trying to project how prestigious the 2023 free agent class is going to be.

It is last years class, plus all the players who signed 4 year deals this year (DLo would be the best as if right now) along with guys like Embiied and Jockic. Won’t be all of them obviously, but it looks much better than next years class.

Its only last year's class if Russ opts out in 2022 (which aint happening). All 1st round rookies get 4 year deals. So Doncic/Young/et all are contracted for the 18-19, 19-20, 20-21, 21-22 seasons. Russ' contract runs through 22-23.

Most the notable guys who signed 4 year contracts this summer will be at or near the end of the line in 2023.

Your forgetting the 5th Year Qualifying Offer

https://hoopshype.com/player/deandre-ayton/salary/

[thesack12]

It is last years class, plus all the players who signed 4 year deals this year (DLo would be the best as if right now) along with guys like Embiied and Jockic. Won’t be all of them obviously, but it looks much better than next years class.

Its only last year's class if Russ opts out in 2022 (which aint happening). All 1st round rookies get 4 year deals. So Doncic/Young/et all are contracted for the 18-19, 19-20, 20-21, 21-22 seasons. Russ' contract runs through 22-23.

Most the notable guys who signed 4 year contracts this summer will be at or near the end of the line in 2023.

Your forgetting the 5th Year Qualifying Offer

How many times does a player actually play under their qualifying offer? As far as I know, none of the 2015 draft class has accepted their qualifying offer thus far this summer. When the player signs a new contract, the qualifying offer is no longer a thing. Another common occurence is the team rescinds the QO, making the player an unrestricted FA.

High end free agents, never play under their QO.

The qualifying offer is much more of a cap hold/rights retainer than an actual contract offer.

[zeebneeb]

i believe the Pistons are smarter than all you people and won't trade for him.

I believe Westbrook is smarter than some people here and realizes that coming to Detroit won't get him a championship.

Well let's not get that confident. I've been hearing that repeatedly today and it reminded me of when the team traded stackhouse and everyone said "why? It doesnt move the needle!" And then they landed Rasheed and most people said it was a huge mistake and there's no way they could win a title.

Lots of confident answers I've seen over the past few days. I for one will never underestimate an MVP player combined with two all star bigmen.

Only thing I'll get upset about is if the team stands pat, and goes into the season as is. What is the damn point. Blow it up, or swing for the fences. This playing it safe garbage is for the birds.

[440BB]

I bet the person who most wants Westbrook to hurry up and agree to a Miami deal is Ed Stefanski.

[_Und3r][D4wg_]

Russ seems to be on good terms with Blake... But beyond that, I reckon all other factors that weigh on WB's preferred trade destination lean overwhelmingly in Miami's favor...

Even if Blake were to make pitch at Russ on Stefanski's or Gores' behest, it would probably end up with Westbrook trying to convince Blake to join him instead a'la Kawhi-PG @ LAC.

[DetroitSho]

I bet the person who most wants Westbrook to hurry up and agree to a Miami deal is Ed Stefanski.

Wait, Miami is sending trade packages to Westbrook? TF?

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[tmorgan]

Jimmy Butler and Russell Westbrook will be instant comedy in Miami. Yeah, they're both hard workers that want to win, but they're also both alphas that can be moody and flat out weird at times.

Blake is also an alpha, but not a weird one. Even tho I don't want RW, it's a better fit.

(Drummond is as beta as it gets... most people at his level of beta would never make the NBA, but he's talented enough to make it anyway)

[MotownMadness]

What would Miamis package probably look like anyways?

[rmfc]

Only thing I'll get upset about is if the team stands pat, and goes into the season as is. What is the damn point. Blow it up, or swing for the fences. This playing it safe garbage is for the birds.

Exactly.

a) Trade for a superstar before the season begins or
b) Just get rid of the players with big contracts and start fresh now.

Why trade for random players with contracts longer than the ones we are trading away. What was the point of that Snell trade?

[Snakebites]

i believe the Pistons are smarter than all you people and won't trade for him.

I believe Westbrook is smarter than some people here and realizes that coming to Detroit won't get him a championship.

Well let's not get that confident. I've been hearing that repeatedly today and it reminded me of when the team traded stackhouse and everyone said "why? It doesnt move the needle!" And then they landed Rasheed and most people said it was a huge mistake and there's no way they could win a title.

Lots of confident answers I've seen over the past few days. I for one will never underestimate an MVP player combined with two all star bigmen.

Only thing I'll get upset about is if the team stands pat, and goes into the season as is. What is the damn point. Blow it up, or swing for the fences. This playing it safe garbage is for the birds.

I don’t remember anyone complaining about the Sheed deal. I was thrilled at the time.

The Stack trade was controversial because Rip was unproven at the time. Not the same.

[Manocad]

I believe Westbrook is smarter than some people here and realizes that coming to Detroit won't get him a championship.

Well let's not get that confident. I've been hearing that repeatedly today and it reminded me of when the team traded stackhouse and everyone said "why? It doesnt move the needle!" And then they landed Rasheed and most people said it was a huge mistake and there's no way they could win a title.

Lots of confident answers I've seen over the past few days. I for one will never underestimate an MVP player combined with two all star bigmen.

Only thing I'll get upset about is if the team stands pat, and goes into the season as is. What is the damn point. Blow it up, or swing for the fences. This playing it safe garbage is for the birds.

I don’t remember anyone complaining about the Sheed deal. I was thrilled at the time.

The Stack trade was controversial because Rip was unproven at the time. Not the same.

Not to mention that adding Westbrook doesn't leave open the opportunity to get a "Sheed" as well. Getting Westbrook means getting Westbrook aaand...done.

[zeebneeb]

I believe Westbrook is smarter than some people here and realizes that coming to Detroit won't get him a championship.

Well let's not get that confident. I've been hearing that repeatedly today and it reminded me of when the team traded stackhouse and everyone said "why? It doesnt move the needle!" And then they landed Rasheed and most people said it was a huge mistake and there's no way they could win a title.

Lots of confident answers I've seen over the past few days. I for one will never underestimate an MVP player combined with two all star bigmen.

Only thing I'll get upset about is if the team stands pat, and goes into the season as is. What is the damn point. Blow it up, or swing for the fences. This playing it safe garbage is for the birds.

I don’t remember anyone complaining about the Sheed deal. I was thrilled at the time.

The Stack trade was controversial because Rip was unproven at the time. Not the same.

Incorrect. I even called in on a few radio shows one of them pat caputo at the time trying to explain the fit.

The comparison is apt.

[Neptune]

Yall might think I'm crazy, but I really believe we're in the background negotiating a better deal than Miami to acquire Westbrook. I just got this feeling man. Westbrook to Detroit just makes too much sense!

[Snakebites]

Well let's not get that confident. I've been hearing that repeatedly today and it reminded me of when the team traded stackhouse and everyone said "why? It doesnt move the needle!" And then they landed Rasheed and most people said it was a huge mistake and there's no way they could win a title.

Lots of confident answers I've seen over the past few days. I for one will never underestimate an MVP player combined with two all star bigmen.

Only thing I'll get upset about is if the team stands pat, and goes into the season as is. What is the damn point. Blow it up, or swing for the fences. This playing it safe garbage is for the birds.

I don’t remember anyone complaining about the Sheed deal. I was thrilled at the time.

The Stack trade was controversial because Rip was unproven at the time. Not the same.

Incorrect. I even called in on a few radio shows one of them pat caputo at the time trying to explain the fit.

The comparison is apt.

So no criticism of a move is ever valid again because a few local radio shows got it wrong 15 years ago. Okie dokie.

[zeebneeb]

I don’t remember anyone complaining about the Sheed deal. I was thrilled at the time.

The Stack trade was controversial because Rip was unproven at the time. Not the same.

Incorrect. I even called in on a few radio shows one of them pat caputo at the time trying to explain the fit.

The comparison is apt.

So no criticism of a move is ever valid again because a few local radio shows got it wrong 15 years ago. Okie dokie.

Ah, arguing for the sake of argument.

Gotcha.

Doesnt matter anyway as it sounds like all the "float down the river of mediocrity until contracts expire" types will win the day anyway.

It really seems like Miami is the destination unless something extraordinary happens so the point is moot anyway.

[Phenomenonsense]

Incorrect. I even called in on a few radio shows one of them pat caputo at the time trying to explain the fit.

The comparison is apt.

So no criticism of a move is ever valid again because a few local radio shows got it wrong 15 years ago. Okie dokie.

Ah, arguing for the sake of argument.

Gotcha.

Doesnt matter anyway as it sounds like all the "float down the river of mediocrity until contracts expire" types will win the day anyway.

It really seems like Miami is the destination unless something extraordinary happens so the point is moot anyway.

That sounds like some bull to get us to pay more, but Miami has no assets and OKC already has Miami draft picks so making them any better is not the move.

[flow]

Yall might think I'm crazy, but I really believe we're in the background negotiating a better deal than Miami to acquire Westbrook. I just got this feeling man. Westbrook to Detroit just makes too much sense!

What about it makes too much sense?

[Snakebites]

Incorrect. I even called in on a few radio shows one of them pat caputo at the time trying to explain the fit.

The comparison is apt.

So no criticism of a move is ever valid again because a few local radio shows got it wrong 15 years ago. Okie dokie.

Ah, arguing for the sake of argument.

Gotcha.

Doesnt matter anyway as it sounds like all the "float down the river of mediocrity until contracts expire" types will win the day anyway.

It really seems like Miami is the destination unless something extraordinary happens so the point is moot anyway.

In fairness, I’d prefer to tear it all down tomorrow, but have accepted that we won’t or can’t, as it appears our pieces don’t have enough value to make it worth it.

But yeah, further away from adding on crippling salary we get the better. 95 plus million to Dre, Griffin, Westbrook leaves little to no maneuvering room for anything else. No room to add the shooters we’d need to make that work, or to flesh out the roster the way we’d need to to make even a second round playoff run once our shorter cheaper deals (the few left we didn’t trade away that is). Absolutely crippled, and those 3 guys don’t get you there. Too many holes and not enough fit.

I’ve done the math. It’s my curse. I do the math. Depth matters.