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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1241 » by Fat Kat » Tue Jul 9, 2019 10:53 am

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Juco24 wrote:Dots is not a small guy... but Frank is towering over him.
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I know i am not a frank fan but frank is good guy, good teammate and good person.

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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1242 » by blanko » Tue Jul 9, 2019 12:49 pm

d dot measured at 6'5 in the nba combine.. Frank is a good 2 inches taller. Frank is over 6'7 now. He is a small forward/guard now. He is a ball handeling wing ala scottie pippen, iggy, ect. No longer a point guard.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1243 » by Jeff Van Gully » Tue Jul 9, 2019 2:25 pm

blanko wrote:d dot measured at 6'5 in the nba combine.. Frank is a good 2 inches taller. Frank is over 6'7 now. He is a small forward/guard now. He is a ball handeling wing ala scottie pippen, iggy, ect. No longer a point guard.


height is not the determining factor for the PG position
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1244 » by blanko » Tue Jul 9, 2019 3:29 pm

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blanko wrote:d dot measured at 6'5 in the nba combine.. Frank is a good 2 inches taller. Frank is over 6'7 now. He is a small forward/guard now. He is a ball handeling wing ala scottie pippen, iggy, ect. No longer a point guard.


height is not the determining factor for the PG position
He is a point foward now, ala scottie. He doesnt have the burst to get in the lane against other point guards. He aint penny.

This is good for us! A versitle defensive wing that can initiate the offense is immensely valuable and easy to fit into any lineup.

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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1245 » by SmoothLefty21 » Tue Jul 9, 2019 3:42 pm

It's been mentioned in the past that Frank's future might be as a Nic Batum type. I'd take that on the offensive end combined with Frank's defensive potential.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1246 » by moocow007 » Tue Jul 9, 2019 4:26 pm

blanko wrote:
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blanko wrote:d dot measured at 6'5 in the nba combine.. Frank is a good 2 inches taller. Frank is over 6'7 now. He is a small forward/guard now. He is a ball handeling wing ala scottie pippen, iggy, ect. No longer a point guard.


height is not the determining factor for the PG position
He is a point foward now, ala scottie. He doesnt have the burst to get in the lane against other point guards. He aint penny.

This is good for us! A versitle defensive wing that can initiate the offense is immensely valuable and easy to fit into any lineup.

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If he can't show that he can actually either shoot or drive (he hasn't shown either) it'll be kinda difficult for him to initiate any working offense. Teams will sag off of him and make it harder for the other 4 guys to get open. Considering that Frank hasn't exactly shown he's a natural passer, don't see how it'll work. At the end of the day, he's got to show the ability to do something on the offensive end. As of right now, he can't shoot, he can't create shots off the dribble and he doesn't seem to be an instinctive passer. Would be like asking Lance Thomas to initiate offenses.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1247 » by HerSports85 » Tue Jul 9, 2019 4:43 pm

Frank needs to be groomed into a 3-and-D. But whatever I no faith in our coaching staff
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1248 » by Jeff Van Gully » Tue Jul 9, 2019 4:52 pm

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height is not the determining factor for the PG position
He is a point foward now, ala scottie. He doesnt have the burst to get in the lane against other point guards. He aint penny.

This is good for us! A versitle defensive wing that can initiate the offense is immensely valuable and easy to fit into any lineup.

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If he can't show that he can actually either shoot or drive (he hasn't shown either) it'll be kinda difficult for him to initiate any working offense. Teams will sag off of him and make it harder for the other 4 guys to get open. Considering that Frank hasn't exactly shown he's a natural passer, don't see how it'll work. At the end of the day, he's got to show the ability to do something on the offensive end. As of right now, he can't shoot, he can't create shots off the dribble and he doesn't seem to be an instinctive passer. Would be like asking Lance Thomas to initiate offenses.


really? i feel like that's one of the few things frank has shown -- court vision and even flashy passing.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1249 » by Richard4444 » Tue Jul 9, 2019 5:03 pm

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moocow007 wrote:
blanko wrote:He is a point foward now, ala scottie. He doesnt have the burst to get in the lane against other point guards. He aint penny.

This is good for us! A versitle defensive wing that can initiate the offense is immensely valuable and easy to fit into any lineup.

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If he can't show that he can actually either shoot or drive (he hasn't shown either) it'll be kinda difficult for him to initiate any working offense. Teams will sag off of him and make it harder for the other 4 guys to get open. Considering that Frank hasn't exactly shown he's a natural passer, don't see how it'll work. At the end of the day, he's got to show the ability to do something on the offensive end. As of right now, he can't shoot, he can't create shots off the dribble and he doesn't seem to be an instinctive passer. Would be like asking Lance Thomas to initiate offenses.


really? i feel like that's one of the few things frank has shown -- court vision and even flashy passing.


I think he is an average passer. He is used to lose concentration from time to time and makes silly turnovers with weak telegraphed passes.

Moreover, he is not a good driver (maybe due to lack of confidence), what hurts teams 'off ball" movement. He usually stands still looking for open men and nobody can get opened.

He is a better passer in transition.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1250 » by CharlesOakley » Tue Jul 9, 2019 5:34 pm

One of my all-time favorite teams was the Sacramento Kings of the early 2000s. What made them so special was that they were all really good passers for their position.

I see a little Chris Webber in Julius Randle. I think Frank should be groomed into a Doug Christie role - a secondary ballhandler who takes the toughest wing assignment on defense. He just needs a reliable 3 ball. His mechanics look good and he is a hard worker. I'll still take that bet.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1251 » by NYKnickerbocker » Tue Jul 9, 2019 5:49 pm

Don’t understand why people just wanna throw him away tho lol. He still has the tools and skills if developed right to be a useful role player. Teams need those. If he turns into a thabo kinda guy. That’s useful to have on a roster for probably cheap if we keep working with him.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1252 » by GnarlsOakley » Tue Jul 9, 2019 8:34 pm

Frank's going to have a monster season

The best part is, he can play anywhere 1-3 alongside anyone else we send out. Primary ball handler, secondary, Point Forward, he gives us a ton of versatility esp. now that it looks like he's gotten taller and stronger & improved his fundamentals (handles & shooting)

Court vision, pass-first instincts and, most of all, defensive awareness come naturally to Frank, so tightening up everything else is just a matter of repetition and intensity this summer. It certainly looks like he's putting in the work, I'm excited to see what he can do this year
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1253 » by taj2133 » Tue Jul 9, 2019 8:40 pm

Hckyfn17 wrote:Frank's going to have a monster season

The best part is, he can play anywhere 1-3 alongside anyone else we send out. Primary ball handler, secondary, Point Forward, he gives us a ton of versatility esp. now that it looks like he's gotten taller and stronger & improved his fundamentals (handles & shooting)

Court vision, pass-first instincts and, most of all, defensive awareness come naturally to Frank, so tightening up everything else is just a matter of repetition and intensity this summer. It certainly looks like he's putting in the work, I'm excited to see what he can do this year

For frank to have monster he has to win a starting job first and has to impressed the coaching staff which frank hasn't done yet. This could be frank last year with the knicks and already behind in depth chart dsj, payton, kadeem allan, trier, dotson, rj, ellington, and bullick already in front of frank. Fizdale, perry, and mills don't like frank and are really trying to find trading partner asap or he is going to benched for the season and gone after the 2019-2020 season.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1254 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Tue Jul 9, 2019 10:06 pm

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Hckyfn17 wrote:Frank's going to have a monster season

The best part is, he can play anywhere 1-3 alongside anyone else we send out. Primary ball handler, secondary, Point Forward, he gives us a ton of versatility esp. now that it looks like he's gotten taller and stronger & improved his fundamentals (handles & shooting)

Court vision, pass-first instincts and, most of all, defensive awareness come naturally to Frank, so tightening up everything else is just a matter of repetition and intensity this summer. It certainly looks like he's putting in the work, I'm excited to see what he can do this year

For frank to have monster he has to win a starting job first and has to impressed the coaching staff which frank hasn't done yet. This could be frank last year with the knicks and already behind in depth chart dsj, payton, kadeem allan, trier, dotson, rj, ellington, and bullick already in front of frank. Fizdale, perry, and mills don't like frank and are really trying to find trading partner asap or he is going to benched for the season and gone after the 2019-2020 season.

You guaranteed us that Frank would be gone as soon as free agency starts. And before that you guaranteed us that Frank would 100% be gone on draft night. And before that you absolutely guaranteed us that Frank would be 100% gone at the trade deadline. And before that ... well ..ok .. a stopped clock is right twice a day ... one day you will be right (unless Frank plays out his career at NYK).
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1255 » by GONYK » Tue Jul 9, 2019 10:18 pm

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As a rookie, Frank was a top 30 defender in the NBA, regardless of position, according to 538's new DRAYMOND defensive ranking.

If Fiz ever gives the kid a consistent role, we would potentially have two of the top defenders in the NBA (Mitch top 5 in DRAYMOND) on our team.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1256 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Jul 9, 2019 10:19 pm

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If he can't show that he can actually either shoot or drive (he hasn't shown either) it'll be kinda difficult for him to initiate any working offense. Teams will sag off of him and make it harder for the other 4 guys to get open. Considering that Frank hasn't exactly shown he's a natural passer, don't see how it'll work. At the end of the day, he's got to show the ability to do something on the offensive end. As of right now, he can't shoot, he can't create shots off the dribble and he doesn't seem to be an instinctive passer. Would be like asking Lance Thomas to initiate offenses.


really? i feel like that's one of the few things frank has shown -- court vision and even flashy passing.


I think he is an average passer. He is used to lose concentration from time to time and makes silly turnovers with weak telegraphed passes.

Moreover, he is not a good driver (maybe due to lack of confidence), what hurts teams 'off ball" movement. He usually stands still looking for open men and nobody can get opened.

He is a better passer in transition.

Stupid young player unforced turnovers are different from his passing and vision otherwise. He's a solid passer, but to include those plays out by the 3 point line as part of the picture is kind of silly
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1257 » by GONYK » Tue Jul 9, 2019 10:24 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
blanko wrote:He is a point foward now, ala scottie. He doesnt have the burst to get in the lane against other point guards. He aint penny.

This is good for us! A versitle defensive wing that can initiate the offense is immensely valuable and easy to fit into any lineup.

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If he can't show that he can actually either shoot or drive (he hasn't shown either) it'll be kinda difficult for him to initiate any working offense. Teams will sag off of him and make it harder for the other 4 guys to get open. Considering that Frank hasn't exactly shown he's a natural passer, don't see how it'll work. At the end of the day, he's got to show the ability to do something on the offensive end. As of right now, he can't shoot, he can't create shots off the dribble and he doesn't seem to be an instinctive passer. Would be like asking Lance Thomas to initiate offenses.


really? i feel like that's one of the few things frank has shown -- court vision and even flashy passing.


Agreed. Reads out of the PnR is something that is a firm strength of his. He might be the most natural at it on the roster as it currently stands.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1258 » by taj2133 » Tue Jul 9, 2019 10:24 pm

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
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Hckyfn17 wrote:Frank's going to have a monster season

The best part is, he can play anywhere 1-3 alongside anyone else we send out. Primary ball handler, secondary, Point Forward, he gives us a ton of versatility esp. now that it looks like he's gotten taller and stronger & improved his fundamentals (handles & shooting)

Court vision, pass-first instincts and, most of all, defensive awareness come naturally to Frank, so tightening up everything else is just a matter of repetition and intensity this summer. It certainly looks like he's putting in the work, I'm excited to see what he can do this year

For frank to have monster he has to win a starting job first and has to impressed the coaching staff which frank hasn't done yet. This could be frank last year with the knicks and already behind in depth chart dsj, payton, kadeem allan, trier, dotson, rj, ellington, and bullick already in front of frank. Fizdale, perry, and mills don't like frank and are really trying to find trading partner asap or he is going to benched for the season and gone after the 2019-2020 season.

You guaranteed us that Frank would be gone as soon as free agency starts. And before that you guaranteed us that Frank would 100% be gone on draft night. And before that you absolutely guaranteed us that Frank would be 100% gone at the trade deadline. And before that ... well ..ok .. a stopped clock is right twice a day ... one day you will be right (unless Frank plays out his career at NYK).

Its hard to trade frank when his value zero at the moment right now no team want to trade for him on draft night. Do you honestly think fizdale is going to give frank a fair chance at the starting pointing or playing time next season 2019-2020. Do you also honestly think perry and mills are going to pick up frank 6 million dollar team option for the 2020-2021 season probably not frank has to show a lot of improvement for that to happen.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1259 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Tue Jul 9, 2019 10:29 pm

taj2133 wrote:
B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
taj2133 wrote:For frank to have monster he has to win a starting job first and has to impressed the coaching staff which frank hasn't done yet. This could be frank last year with the knicks and already behind in depth chart dsj, payton, kadeem allan, trier, dotson, rj, ellington, and bullick already in front of frank. Fizdale, perry, and mills don't like frank and are really trying to find trading partner asap or he is going to benched for the season and gone after the 2019-2020 season.

You guaranteed us that Frank would be gone as soon as free agency starts. And before that you guaranteed us that Frank would 100% be gone on draft night. And before that you absolutely guaranteed us that Frank would be 100% gone at the trade deadline. And before that ... well ..ok .. a stopped clock is right twice a day ... one day you will be right (unless Frank plays out his career at NYK).

Its hard to trade frank when his value zero at the moment right now no team want to trade for him on draft night. Do you honestly think fizdale is going to give frank a fair chance at the starting pointing or playing time next season 2019-2020. Do you also honestly think perry and mills are going to pick up frank 6 million dollar team option for the 2020-2021 season probably not frank has to show a lot of improvement for that to happen.

Don't move the goal-posts. ;) You've repeatedly promised us Frank would be gone. Yet he's still here.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#1260 » by taj2133 » Tue Jul 9, 2019 10:35 pm

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
taj2133 wrote:
B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:You guaranteed us that Frank would be gone as soon as free agency starts. And before that you guaranteed us that Frank would 100% be gone on draft night. And before that you absolutely guaranteed us that Frank would be 100% gone at the trade deadline. And before that ... well ..ok .. a stopped clock is right twice a day ... one day you will be right (unless Frank plays out his career at NYK).

Its hard to trade frank when his value zero at the moment right now no team want to trade for him on draft night. Do you honestly think fizdale is going to give frank a fair chance at the starting pointing or playing time next season 2019-2020. Do you also honestly think perry and mills are going to pick up frank 6 million dollar team option for the 2020-2021 season probably not frank has to show a lot of improvement for that to happen.

Don't move the goal-posts. ;) You've repeatedly promised us Frank would be gone. Yet he's still here.

Do you think anybody that has no value or has zero trade value is a good value like frank right now. The knicks couldn't get a secound round pick for frank that's is how bad his value is right now but if you think frank is going to have a great training camp and when job more power too you.

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