Avery Bradley Agrees To Two-Year, $9.7M Deal With Lakers

[what would jack bauer do?]

Anyone who's doubting Bradley should go watch a few Grizzlies games. He's got his legs back and seems to have developed a better passing game. He can switch between both positions in the backcourt on O and D. He'll start for this team. Really enthusiastic about what he's going to bring.

His advanced stats don't show any recovery except a slight offensive improvement (and he's not going to take 13+ shots per game for us) but a pretty significant defensive decline. He posted negative POE/PIPM/RPM/RAPM impact stats and scored in the lowest 15% of the league on almost all his offensive impact metrics.

The only thing where I'm slightly optimistic about is his 38% 3P shooting in Memphis last year. He shot well from the corner (53.8%), while only taking about 1/10th of his 3PA in a corner spot. He was only assisted on about 60% of his 3P attempts. That should improve to 90+ on this team.

TLDR: let him stand in the corner and shoot open 3s. Put him on the weakest offensive guard of the opposing team. He shouldn't do anything else but that. He particularly shouldn't be taking mid-ranged jumpers or 3P shots anywhere but in the corner.

You could probably say the same about Patrick Beverly since he ranks in the 41st percentile on perimeter defense. Bradley didnt look right last season, every time I saw him plant hard or change direction aggressively he was writhing in pain from some sort of shin injury. The last couple years Bradley hasn't looked good, but the hope here is he gets healthy and avoids more of these nagging lower body injuries. Besides, in the playoffs most NBA vets just put that pain on mute and go 120% effort.

[JVL]

Anyone who's doubting Bradley should go watch a few Grizzlies games. He's got his legs back and seems to have developed a better passing game. He can switch between both positions in the backcourt on O and D. He'll start for this team. Really enthusiastic about what he's going to bring.

His advanced stats don't show any recovery except a slight offensive improvement (and he's not going to take 13+ shots per game for us) but a pretty significant defensive decline. He posted negative POE/PIPM/RPM/RAPM impact stats and scored in the lowest 15% of the league on almost all his offensive impact metrics.

The only thing where I'm slightly optimistic about is his 38% 3P shooting in Memphis last year. He shot well from the corner (53.8%), while only taking about 1/10th of his 3PA in a corner spot. He was only assisted on about 60% of his 3P attempts. That should improve to 90+ on this team.

TLDR: let him stand in the corner and shoot open 3s. Put him on the weakest offensive guard of the opposing team. He shouldn't do anything else but that. He particularly shouldn't be taking mid-ranged jumpers or 3P shots anywhere but in the corner.

There are lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics. Jerry West beats Daryl Morey every day of the week. The eye test looks real good.

That's not a proper argument. We have plenty of advanced impact stats to know how a player truly performs. The eye test is the final variable but there will never be a case where all of these complex metrics are proven wrong by 'the eye test'. Never. The eye test can add nuance to a collection of statistics, but it will not supplant them or nullify them.

All the statistics say Bradley is a low-to-zero-to-negative impact player. And they aren't wrong.

[JVL]

Anyone who's doubting Bradley should go watch a few Grizzlies games. He's got his legs back and seems to have developed a better passing game. He can switch between both positions in the backcourt on O and D. He'll start for this team. Really enthusiastic about what he's going to bring.

His advanced stats don't show any recovery except a slight offensive improvement (and he's not going to take 13+ shots per game for us) but a pretty significant defensive decline. He posted negative POE/PIPM/RPM/RAPM impact stats and scored in the lowest 15% of the league on almost all his offensive impact metrics.

The only thing where I'm slightly optimistic about is his 38% 3P shooting in Memphis last year. He shot well from the corner (53.8%), while only taking about 1/10th of his 3PA in a corner spot. He was only assisted on about 60% of his 3P attempts. That should improve to 90+ on this team.

TLDR: let him stand in the corner and shoot open 3s. Put him on the weakest offensive guard of the opposing team. He shouldn't do anything else but that. He particularly shouldn't be taking mid-ranged jumpers or 3P shots anywhere but in the corner.

You could probably say the same about Patrick Beverly since he ranks in the 41st percentile on perimeter defense. Bradley didnt look right last season, every time I saw him plant hard or change direction aggressively he was writhing in pain from some sort of shin injury. The last couple years Bradley hasn't looked good, but the hope here is he gets healthy and avoids more of these nagging lower body injuries. Besides, in the playoffs most NBA vets just put that pain on mute and go 120% effort.

Sorry but no, you can't say that about Beverly.

Beverly scores in the 79th percentile on PIPM, 74th percentile on RAPM. He scores in the 82nd percentile on luck-adjusted offensive on/off and scores in the 80th percentile or higher on 3/5 defensive impact metrics. Even in the oldschool box score metrics he's an average or above average player and he's an elite perimeter defender and perimeter shooter.

Again: I'm not saying any single statistic explains everything, but the realm of basketball analytics has evolved drastically the last couple of years in that we have multiple complex statistics measuring just about every aspect of a player his game. An overall glance at a combination of different metrics is going to give you a strong indication of the impact/value of a player.

[mcscotty]

His advanced stats don't show any recovery except a slight offensive improvement (and he's not going to take 13+ shots per game for us) but a pretty significant defensive decline. He posted negative POE/PIPM/RPM/RAPM impact stats and scored in the lowest 15% of the league on almost all his offensive impact metrics.

The only thing where I'm slightly optimistic about is his 38% 3P shooting in Memphis last year. He shot well from the corner (53.8%), while only taking about 1/10th of his 3PA in a corner spot. He was only assisted on about 60% of his 3P attempts. That should improve to 90+ on this team.

TLDR: let him stand in the corner and shoot open 3s. Put him on the weakest offensive guard of the opposing team. He shouldn't do anything else but that. He particularly shouldn't be taking mid-ranged jumpers or 3P shots anywhere but in the corner.

There are lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics. Jerry West beats Daryl Morey every day of the week. The eye test looks real good.

That's not a proper argument. We have plenty of advanced impact stats to know how a player truly performs. The eye test is the final variable but there will never be a case where all of these complex metrics are proven wrong by 'the eye test'. Never. The eye test can add nuance to a collection of statistics, but it will not supplant them or nullify them.

All the statistics say Bradley is a low-to-zero-to-negative impact player. And they aren't wrong.

Basketball is not like rolling a dice or playing a game of cards. There are far too many variables at play, many which can't be quantified. Especially on the defensive end which is largely a team effort. Statistics has earned its reputation as a pseudoscience. Just ask Hilary Clinton.

[tv24lakers]

There are lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics. Jerry West beats Daryl Morey every day of the week. The eye test looks real good.

That's not a proper argument. We have plenty of advanced impact stats to know how a player truly performs. The eye test is the final variable but there will never be a case where all of these complex metrics are proven wrong by 'the eye test'. Never. The eye test can add nuance to a collection of statistics, but it will not supplant them or nullify them.

All the statistics say Bradley is a low-to-zero-to-negative impact player. And they aren't wrong.

Basketball is not like rolling a dice or playing a game of cards. There are far too many variables at play, many which can't be quantified. Especially on the defensive end which is largely a team effort. Statistics has earned its reputation as a pseudoscience. Just ask Hilary Clinton.

Let's try to avoid the politics punch-in; your commentary does not help bolster your argument.

[Edrees]

Good reclamation project. I like his deal way better than KCP's, because at least Bradley has proven he can be a capable 3-and-D guard.

Finished the season strong with the Grizzlies. Biggest question is can he stay healthy?

Maybe, if we limit his minutes and Vogel is able to utilize a deep rotation in the backcourt.

I'd rather pimp KCP early and hard, selling him to the highest paying John.

Then close out the season with Bradley, Green, Caruso, and Rondo in the playoffs.

Kcp has NTC. No clue why y’all don’t get this

Rondo signing is a waste

Daniels signing is legit a waste with Cook

Daniels job is to provide additional depth if our starters get injured. or need more rest. We'll need both him and cook in those scenarios.

[tv24lakers]

It should be noted that Frank Vogel and Ronald Hollins are two defensive minded coaches. Here is hoping that they're coaching experience and aptitude on the defense side will show dividends on the floor.

[cashflo]

Best starting lineup in my mind
Bron
Bradley
Green
Davis
Cousins

Really gives balance to the team with top defense and 3pt shooting. Bron can do his thing at point.
Kuz can solidify the bench and will also get some starting assignments when load management is necessary.

[tv24lakers]

Best starting lineup in my mind
Bron
Bradley
Green
Davis
Cousins

Really gives balance to the team with top defense and 3pt shooting. Bron can do his thing at point.
Kuz can solidify the bench and will also get some starting assignments when load management is necessary.

Our most reliable and consistent lineup may be...
Caruso
Green
LBJ
AD
McGee

In their prime the below would be a deadly lineup; Sadly, obtaining a fountain of youth wasn't within budget.
Rondo
Green
LBJ
AD
Cousins

[LAKESHOW]

Cook
Green
Bron
Davis
Cousins