2019 Heat Offseason thread 4.0- Yimmy and the Kids!

[HeatIn5]

Point Winny still at risk?

Tortuuuuure

No. Pat found a way to keep him:

Spoiler:

[Umbooki]

Point Winny still at risk?

Tortuuuuure

Say it ain't so 'Booki

I’m still not sold on Brodie coming to the Heat. Let Jimmy and the kids run wild in Miami.

With Wade gone, Point Justise is the only thing keeping my heart pumping.

[Daffy]

For the people opposed to Westbrook and rather wait for 2020 or 2021 FA. Which FA are you guys targetting. Only ones worth going after are:

Anthony Davis-Dont see him leaving.
Bradley Beal- if he signs an extension you're screwed and he's two years away.
Bron- too old
Paul George- not leaving LA.
DeRozan- No thank you
Blake Griffin- injury prone and will be 32
Giannis- possible but I dont see him turning down that max and if he does he will most likely follow Masai
McCollum & Gobert are possibilites but don't make you a threat for the finals.

So who are we waiting for again?

Trade market?

Anyone worth it you will have to give up A LOT for.

[Rapaz]

Ira Winderman was hiding in a pantry at the Presti bake show meeting. He says a deal inches closer.

[Maroko]

Point Winny still at risk?

Tortuuuuure

No. Pat found a way to keep him:

Spoiler:

[Spacely]

Point Winny still at risk?

Tortuuuuure

No. Pat found a way to keep him:

Get this crap outta here

[Heatle]

Point Winny still at risk?

Tortuuuuure

No. Pat found a way to keep him:

Reported.

[zgope1]

For the people opposed to Westbrook and rather wait for 2020 or 2021 FA. Which FA are you guys targetting. Only ones worth going after are:

Anthony Davis-Dont see him leaving.
Bradley Beal- if he signs an extension you're screwed and he's two years away.
Bron- too old
Paul George- not leaving LA.
DeRozan- No thank you
Blake Griffin- injury prone and will be 32
Giannis- possible but I dont see him turning down that max and if he does he will most likely follow Masai
McCollum & Gobert are possibilites but don't make you a threat for the finals.

So who are we waiting for again?

Trade market?

Anyone worth it you will have to give up A LOT for.

We need our guns loaded for pre agency. First step was butler, now at some stage a big star- more effective than Russ, will pop up.

Could be anyone, we need the ability to be bold in that moment

[fsuizzy]

For the people opposed to Westbrook and rather wait for 2020 or 2021 FA. Which FA are you guys targetting. Only ones worth going after are:

Anthony Davis-Dont see him leaving.
Bradley Beal- if he signs an extension you're screwed and he's two years away.
Bron- too old
Paul George- not leaving LA.
DeRozan- No thank you
Blake Griffin- injury prone and will be 32
Giannis- possible but I dont see him turning down that max and if he does he will most likely follow Masai
McCollum & Gobert are possibilites but don't make you a threat for the finals.

So who are we waiting for again?

Trade market?

Anyone worth it you will have to give up A LOT for.

We need our guns loaded for pre agency. First step was butler, now at some stage a big star- more effective than Russ, will pop up.

Could be anyone, we need the ability to be bold in that moment

Seriously list all the stars better than Russ, right now. Then take that list and tell me who is going to free up between now and 2021 and why? It will be an extremely small list. I will start you off.

Beal between now and 2021 he will be traded because he isn't going back to the Wizards. The Cost will be extremely high for most teams. Possibly taking on Wall.

2020 and 2021 is not looking great. And no big stars are leaving their current teams.

Your turn.

[zgope1]

For the people opposed to Westbrook and rather wait for 2020 or 2021 FA. Which FA are you guys targetting. Only ones worth going after are:

Anthony Davis-Dont see him leaving.
Bradley Beal- if he signs an extension you're screwed and he's two years away.
Bron- too old
Paul George- not leaving LA.
DeRozan- No thank you
Blake Griffin- injury prone and will be 32
Giannis- possible but I dont see him turning down that max and if he does he will most likely follow Masai
McCollum & Gobert are possibilites but don't make you a threat for the finals.

So who are we waiting for again?

Trade market?

Anyone worth it you will have to give up A LOT for.

We need our guns loaded for pre agency. First step was butler, now at some stage a big star- more effective than Russ, will pop up.

Could be anyone, we need the ability to be bold in that moment

Seriously list all the stars better than Russ, right now. Then take that list and tell me who is going to free up between now and 2021 and why? It will be an extremely small list. I will start you off.

Beal between now and 2021 he will be traded because he isn't going back to the Wizards. The Cost will be extremely high for most teams. Possibly taking on Wall.

2020 and 2021 is not looking great. And no big stars are leaving their current teams.

Your turn.

You’re missing the point. Players are indicating they want out years before their free agency these days. That makes the list essentially limitless.

Harden, Lebron, Giannis, Kyrie, Steph, Dame, CJ. anything you can imagine. Anything is possible in the modern day NBA.

[Daffy]

We need our guns loaded for pre agency. First step was butler, now at some stage a big star- more effective than Russ, will pop up.

Could be anyone, we need the ability to be bold in that moment

Seriously list all the stars better than Russ, right now. Then take that list and tell me who is going to free up between now and 2021 and why? It will be an extremely small list. I will start you off.

Beal between now and 2021 he will be traded because he isn't going back to the Wizards. The Cost will be extremely high for most teams. Possibly taking on Wall.

2020 and 2021 is not looking great. And no big stars are leaving their current teams.

Your turn.

You’re missing the point. Players are indicating they want out years before their free agency these days. That makes the list essentially limitless.

Harden, Lebron, Giannis, Kyrie, Steph, Dame, CJ. anything you can imagine. Anything is possible in the modern day NBA.

So now we're going from waiting for free agency to HOPING an elite talent wants out. When we trade for this talent what will be have left on our team? What if everyone is happy with their situation for the next 2 years.

[Daffy]

Bron will be too old to invest in at this point. The assets you'll have to give up wont be worth it as great as he is.
Dame is making too much.
Steph is the perfect player to put next to Jimmy but his price tag will be high.
CJ McCollum doesnt move the needle
Dame is about to be 30 making more than Westbrook per year.
I dont see Giannis leaving that money on the table.

Best bet might be Harden.

[Daffy]

Don't forget we met with Kevin Durant and Hayward in free agency and didn't land either.

Kyrie had us on his list when he requested a trade and we didn't get him.
Butler wanted to be here when he was in Minny and we didn't get him.

Granted we were on Dragics list and Butler's when he got to philly and we got them both.

Long story short. Nothing is guaranteed.

[zgope1]

Seriously list all the stars better than Russ, right now. Then take that list and tell me who is going to free up between now and 2021 and why? It will be an extremely small list. I will start you off.

Beal between now and 2021 he will be traded because he isn't going back to the Wizards. The Cost will be extremely high for most teams. Possibly taking on Wall.

2020 and 2021 is not looking great. And no big stars are leaving their current teams.

Your turn.

You’re missing the point. Players are indicating they want out years before their free agency these days. That makes the list essentially limitless.

Harden, Lebron, Giannis, Kyrie, Steph, Dame, CJ. anything you can imagine. Anything is possible in the modern day NBA.

So now we're going from waiting for free agency to HOPING an elite talent wants out. When we trade for this talent what will be have left on our team? What if everyone is happy with their situation for the next 2 years.

it's not really based on hope. the best star talents have wanted out on a more regular basis for a while now. We need to develop every asset we have in the meantime. That might mean we create a star too. Double edged sword and the most logical way

[dean456]

Point Winny still at risk?

Tortuuuuure

No. Pat found a way to keep him:

They both look bad in OKC colors I don't think its meant to be.

[fsuizzy]

You’re missing the point. Players are indicating they want out years before their free agency these days. That makes the list essentially limitless.

Harden, Lebron, Giannis, Kyrie, Steph, Dame, CJ. anything you can imagine. Anything is possible in the modern day NBA.

So now we're going from waiting for free agency to HOPING an elite talent wants out. When we trade for this talent what will be have left on our team? What if everyone is happy with their situation for the next 2 years.

it's not really based on hope. the best star talents have wanted out on a more regular basis for a while now. We need to develop every asset we have in the meantime. That might mean we create a star too. Double edged sword and the most logical way

On any given day there are roughly 21 stars in the league off the top off my head that will carry a team to the Finals with help from another star. Exceptions to Lebron of course who probably could carry a team on his own. After review all the stars. Westbrook seems like one of the few GOOD choices available until 2022.

Lebron- In LA for good. And going to be too old by 2021. He will be 37 years old I believe.
Kawhi- In LA for good. Just signed a huge contract.
Curry-Doubt he leaves GS and Steve Kerr. 2022 Free agent
Klay Thompson-Just signed a huge deal with GS.
Durant(Before Injury)-Signed a huge deal with Nets.
Harden-He is getting older but only 29. He could move next year.
Davis-Signed a Huge Contract to be in LA
Giannis-Currently with the Bucks and is due a huge contract in 2021. Won't be surprised if he re-signs with the Bucks if they get far again this year.
Paul George-Has a huge contract and isn't moving again
Lillard-Could possibly leave Portland in 2021 will only be 29.
Embiid-Could leave Philly but not until 2023 he'd have to force himself out.
Westbrook-He'll be traded somewhere. Horrible contract nontheless.
Butler-He isn't leaving
Irving-He has a good situation and big contract doubt he leaves
Walker-He just got his first big pay day and is with a good franchise.
Beal-IMO he'll be traded before 2021.
Wall-Has one heck of a contract. No team really wants him due to his injury. He may get traded though.
Lowry-His contract ends in 2020 he may be gone. If they choose to rebuild. Or if he wants to look elsewhere.
CP3-TOO OLD.
KARL-Anthony Towns-Not leaving until 2024 I think
Jokic-2023 is when his contract is up and he is in a great situation with denver.

[zgope1]

So now we're going from waiting for free agency to HOPING an elite talent wants out. When we trade for this talent what will be have left on our team? What if everyone is happy with their situation for the next 2 years.

it's not really based on hope. the best star talents have wanted out on a more regular basis for a while now. We need to develop every asset we have in the meantime. That might mean we create a star too. Double edged sword and the most logical way

On any given day there are roughly 21 stars in the league off the top off my head that will carry a team to the Finals with help from another star. Exceptions to Lebron of course who probably could carry a team on his own. After review all the stars. Westbrook seems like one of the few GOOD choices available until 2022.

Lebron- In LA for good. And going to be too old by 2021. He will be 37 years old I believe.
Kawhi- In LA for good. Just signed a huge contract.
Curry-Doubt he leaves GS and Steve Kerr. 2022 Free agent
Klay Thompson-Just signed a huge deal with GS.
Durant(Before Injury)-Signed a huge deal with Nets.
Harden-He is getting older but only 29. He could move next year.
Davis-Signed a Huge Contract to be in LA
Giannis-Currently with the Bucks and is due a huge contract in 2021. Won't be surprised if he re-signs with the Bucks if they get far again this year.
Paul George-Has a huge contract and isn't moving again
Lillard-Could possibly leave Portland in 2021 will only be 29.
Embiid-Could leave Philly but not until 2023 he'd have to force himself out.
Westbrook-He'll be traded somewhere. Horrible contract nontheless.
Butler-He isn't leaving
Irving-He has a good situation and big contract doubt he leaves
Walker-He just got his first big pay day and is with a good franchise.
Beal-IMO he'll be traded before 2021.
Wall-Has one heck of a contract. No team really wants him due to his injury. He may get traded though.
Lowry-His contract ends in 2020 he may be gone. If they choose to rebuild. Or if he wants to look elsewhere.
CP3-TOO OLD.
KARL-Anthony Towns-Not leaving until 2024 I think
Jokic-2023 is when his contract is up and he is in a great situation with denver.

there is a big fat "you never know" on all of the bolded. If the league has taught us anything it's that you really just don't know.

Bam and Justise are looking real good, we can see how much better they look and be patient instead of rushing to the worst fit with our star and limiting our future.

I'll be real disappointed if we trade in Russ. Regardless of our overall off season being a huge improvement of our team

[Dadouv47]

You’re missing the point. Players are indicating they want out years before their free agency these days. That makes the list essentially limitless.

Harden, Lebron, Giannis, Kyrie, Steph, Dame, CJ. anything you can imagine. Anything is possible in the modern day NBA.

So now we're going from waiting for free agency to HOPING an elite talent wants out. When we trade for this talent what will be have left on our team? What if everyone is happy with their situation for the next 2 years.

it's not really based on hope. the best star talents have wanted out on a more regular basis for a while now. We need to develop every asset we have in the meantime. That might mean we create a star too. Double edged sword and the most logical way

Hey! You are right but the trade value of those players went up so much (AD and PG13 trade packages were insane).Certainly wouldn't be the same for guys like Beal or Jrue Holiday but still would cost a lot and Miami lacks assets (unless Herro becomes a top 3 rookie of the year or something) so I don't see how Miami could get any star player under a good contract by trade.
Anyway that's why I think it makes sense for your team to trade for Russ, while I understand that for most other teams it's not worth it.

[fsuizzy]

it's not really based on hope. the best star talents have wanted out on a more regular basis for a while now. We need to develop every asset we have in the meantime. That might mean we create a star too. Double edged sword and the most logical way

On any given day there are roughly 21 stars in the league off the top off my head that will carry a team to the Finals with help from another star. Exceptions to Lebron of course who probably could carry a team on his own. After review all the stars. Westbrook seems like one of the few GOOD choices available until 2022.

Lebron- In LA for good. And going to be too old by 2021. He will be 37 years old I believe.
Kawhi- In LA for good. Just signed a huge contract.
Curry-Doubt he leaves GS and Steve Kerr. 2022 Free agent
Klay Thompson-Just signed a huge deal with GS.
Durant(Before Injury)-Signed a huge deal with Nets.
Harden-He is getting older but only 29. He could move next year.
Davis-Signed a Huge Contract to be in LA
Giannis-Currently with the Bucks and is due a huge contract in 2021. Won't be surprised if he re-signs with the Bucks if they get far again this year.
Paul George-Has a huge contract and isn't moving again
Lillard-Could possibly leave Portland in 2021 will only be 29.
Embiid-Could leave Philly but not until 2023 he'd have to force himself out.
Westbrook-He'll be traded somewhere. Horrible contract nontheless.
Butler-He isn't leaving
Irving-He has a good situation and big contract doubt he leaves
Walker-He just got his first big pay day and is with a good franchise.
Beal-IMO he'll be traded before 2021.
Wall-Has one heck of a contract. No team really wants him due to his injury. He may get traded though.
Lowry-His contract ends in 2020 he may be gone. If they choose to rebuild. Or if he wants to look elsewhere.
CP3-TOO OLD.
KARL-Anthony Towns-Not leaving until 2024 I think
Jokic-2023 is when his contract is up and he is in a great situation with denver.

there is a big fat "you never know" on all of the bolded. If the league has taught us anything it's that you really just don't know.

Bam and Justise are looking real good, we can see how much better they look and be patient instead of rushing to the worst fit with our star and limiting our future.

I'll be real disappointed if we trade in Russ. Regardless of our overall off season being a huge improvement of our team

Ok-let's take the players you bolded and explore a little.

Lebron-Do we want an aging Lebron? For the right price sure. But Lebron doesn't work that way. And I am pretty sure he is ending his career in LA at the end of this contract. May get them to sign one more. But we won't be the fools signing that 37 year to a a major contract.

Curry-Say he leaves the franchise that gave him everything he has ever wanted. Why would he come to Miami to start over. When he is in a great position in soon to be San Francisco. They are going to lock him up and make sure he is the face of SF and this franchise going forward. I'd place money on him staying here if they continue doing what they are doing today, tomorrow.

Harden-If you don't like Westbrook you won't like Harden. They have the same style of play. Although, Harden has the edge IMO. I think Harden could lead us to the Finals where Westbrook could not. Not without a 3rd Superstar.

Davis-Please. Why did you even bold this fool?

Lilliard Yes. I can see that one happening.

Beal I can see a trade or him coming here on his own accord.


So Harden, Lilliard, and Beal. Would be the only Superstars out of 21 in the League that may come here in 2020, 2021. Or you take Westbrook now if you have the chance.

If you ignore Financials.

Harden>Westbrook
Lilliard<Westbrook
Beal<Westbrook

That is why the Heat are trying to get Westbrook.

[TheDon_5]

What did Ira say? I can’t be bothered listening to him, I hate his voice.