2019 Heat Offseason thread 4.0- Yimmy and the Kids!

[zgope1]

On any given day there are roughly 21 stars in the league off the top off my head that will carry a team to the Finals with help from another star. Exceptions to Lebron of course who probably could carry a team on his own. After review all the stars. Westbrook seems like one of the few GOOD choices available until 2022.

Lebron- In LA for good. And going to be too old by 2021. He will be 37 years old I believe.
Kawhi- In LA for good. Just signed a huge contract.
Curry-Doubt he leaves GS and Steve Kerr. 2022 Free agent
Klay Thompson-Just signed a huge deal with GS.
Durant(Before Injury)-Signed a huge deal with Nets.
Harden-He is getting older but only 29. He could move next year.
Davis-Signed a Huge Contract to be in LA
Giannis-Currently with the Bucks and is due a huge contract in 2021. Won't be surprised if he re-signs with the Bucks if they get far again this year.
Paul George-Has a huge contract and isn't moving again
Lillard-Could possibly leave Portland in 2021 will only be 29.
Embiid-Could leave Philly but not until 2023 he'd have to force himself out.
Westbrook-He'll be traded somewhere. Horrible contract nontheless.
Butler-He isn't leaving
Irving-He has a good situation and big contract doubt he leaves
Walker-He just got his first big pay day and is with a good franchise.
Beal-IMO he'll be traded before 2021.
Wall-Has one heck of a contract. No team really wants him due to his injury. He may get traded though.
Lowry-His contract ends in 2020 he may be gone. If they choose to rebuild. Or if he wants to look elsewhere.
CP3-TOO OLD.
KARL-Anthony Towns-Not leaving until 2024 I think
Jokic-2023 is when his contract is up and he is in a great situation with denver.

there is a big fat "you never know" on all of the bolded. If the league has taught us anything it's that you really just don't know.

Bam and Justise are looking real good, we can see how much better they look and be patient instead of rushing to the worst fit with our star and limiting our future.

I'll be real disappointed if we trade in Russ. Regardless of our overall off season being a huge improvement of our team

Ok-let's take the players you bolded and explore a little.

Lebron-Do we want an aging Lebron? For the right price sure. But Lebron doesn't work that way. And I am pretty sure he is ending his career in LA at the end of this contract. May get them to sign one more. But we won't be the fools signing that 37 year to a a major contract.

Curry-Say he leaves the franchise that gave him everything he has ever wanted. Why would he come to Miami to start over. When he is in a great position in soon to be San Francisco. They are going to lock him up and make sure he is the face of SF and this franchise going forward. I'd place money on him staying here if they continue doing what they are doing today, tomorrow.

Harden-If you don't like Westbrook you won't like Harden. They have the same style of play. Although, Harden has the edge IMO. I think Harden could lead us to the Finals where Westbrook could not. Not without a 3rd Superstar.

Davis-Please. Why did you even bold this fool?

Lilliard Yes. I can see that one happening.

Beal I can see a trade or him coming here on his own accord.


So Harden, Lilliard, and Beal. Would be the only Superstars out of 21 in the League that may come here in 2020, 2021. Or you take Westbrook now if you have the chance.

If you ignore Financials.

Harden>Westbrook
Lilliard<Westbrook
Beal<Westbrook

That is why the Heat are trying to get Westbrook.

i'm going to leave the bolded as my cue to walk away from this discussion

[gom]

Add Lillard & Beal to the team and you're in the HOV lane to the ECF.
Harden + Butler will take you pretty far too.

[fsuizzy]

there is a big fat "you never know" on all of the bolded. If the league has taught us anything it's that you really just don't know.

Bam and Justise are looking real good, we can see how much better they look and be patient instead of rushing to the worst fit with our star and limiting our future.

I'll be real disappointed if we trade in Russ. Regardless of our overall off season being a huge improvement of our team

Ok-let's take the players you bolded and explore a little.

Lebron-Do we want an aging Lebron? For the right price sure. But Lebron doesn't work that way. And I am pretty sure he is ending his career in LA at the end of this contract. May get them to sign one more. But we won't be the fools signing that 37 year to a a major contract.

Curry-Say he leaves the franchise that gave him everything he has ever wanted. Why would he come to Miami to start over. When he is in a great position in soon to be San Francisco. They are going to lock him up and make sure he is the face of SF and this franchise going forward. I'd place money on him staying here if they continue doing what they are doing today, tomorrow.

Harden-If you don't like Westbrook you won't like Harden. They have the same style of play. Although, Harden has the edge IMO. I think Harden could lead us to the Finals where Westbrook could not. Not without a 3rd Superstar.

Davis-Please. Why did you even bold this fool?

Lilliard Yes. I can see that one happening.

Beal I can see a trade or him coming here on his own accord.


So Harden, Lilliard, and Beal. Would be the only Superstars out of 21 in the League that may come here in 2020, 2021. Or you take Westbrook now if you have the chance.

If you ignore Financials.

Harden>Westbrook
Lilliard<Westbrook
Beal<Westbrook

That is why the Heat are trying to get Westbrook.

i'm going to leave the bolded as my cue to walk away from this discussion

While I know Westbrook is known for padding his stats please don't overlook last season stats. The most glaring thing I see is Westbrooks PPG going down after 2016-17 to current but that is also when they added PG I believe. His APG went up after that.

http://www.espn.com/nba/seasonleaders

[dean456]

I don't know why everyone is speculating about who we can acquire down the road anymore. Beal and Giannis are the only real options that would matter at this point. If we can get Westbrook without losing any or few of our young guys which is looking like its becoming more and more likely, then Beal and Giannis would still be options for us come 2021.

If they decide they want to come here and we have any combination of Bam/Winslow/Herro/DJJr/Okpala to offer them in a sign and trade we can get those deals done, Not to mention we'd have Bam in a similar position as D'Angelo Russell was in at Brooklyn as a restricted free agent that off season. So we could essentially do what Brooklyn did with Goldenstate and KD.

To me its a no brainer. You get Westbrook at the right price and we are fine. We still maintain flexibility come 2021 and make things more exciting for the next two seasons.

[fsuizzy]

Add Lillard & Beal to the team and you're in the HOV lane to the ECF.
Harden + Butler will take you pretty far too.

Tell me Westbrook + Butler aren't at least in the ECF in 2019.

To me the East finishes like this before the playoff begin. If we get Westbrook. With 1, 2, 3 within handful of games of each other. Boston and the Nets fighting over 4 and 5. And like always 6,7,8 fighting for position. With Orlando on the outside looking in.

1-Bucks
2-Heat
3-Philly
4-Boston
5-Nets
6-Indy
7-Toronto
8-Detroit

[fsuizzy]

I don't know why everyone is speculating about who we can acquire down the road anymore. Everyone other than Beal and Giannis are the only real options that would matter at this point. If we can get Westbrook without losing any or few of our young guys which is looking like its becoming more and more likely, then Beal and Giannis would still be options for us come 2021.

If they decide they want to come here and we have any combination of Bam/Winslow/Herro/DJJr/Okpala to offer them in a sign and trade we can get those deals done, Not to mention we'd have Bam in a similar position as D'Angelo Russell was in at Brooklyn as a restricted free agent that off season. So we could essentially do what Brooklyn did with Goldenstate and KD.

To me its a no brainer. You get Westbrook at the right price and we are fine. We still maintain flexibility come 2021 and make things more exciting for the next two seasons.

This guy gets it.

[Maroko]

Point Winny still at risk?

Tortuuuuure

No. Pat found a way to keep him:

Spoiler:

[puppa bear]

Westbrook is a former MVP, he is still in his prime. The fit isn’t perfect, but as long as we aren’t throwing out the baby with the bath water, we swing for him.


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[Maroko]

[batterybro42]

Westbrook is a former MVP, he is still in his prime. The fit isn’t perfect, but as long as we aren’t throwing out the baby with the bath water, we swing for him.


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I am prepared for us to give them Winslow and DJJ

Would really prefer to keep Herro and Bam, while I wouldn’t be overly excited about that deal. I’d still be ok with getting it done if that’s the last resort

[Bishop45]

Oof

I remember a week back we were talking about who's the ideal star partner for butler

Russ might be the worst choice lol

Streets talk, Iggie listens

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[fsuizzy]

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[AirP.]

I agree with Zach Lowe, Miami shouldn't give up any of its young talents for just Westbrook(maybe if you get another starter somehow, like Roberson). Westbrook is asking out(and OKC won't send Westbrook to a team he doesn't want), OKC just acquired a young high potential PG who they need to move Westbrook to open up the starting spot for and OKC needs to shed Westbrook's supermax salary as he's in his early 30s. Oh there's also what I think is the biggest factor, OKC probably won't send Westbrook where he doesn't want to go. I actually think all this "other" chatter other than Miami is OKC trying to drive up the price to get a certain asset.

The big issue, I don't know if Westbrook is a better fit with Butler then Dragic would be for this year and after this year, who knows if Westbrook declines even more. Westbrook can be a force of nature on the court, but wow can he really screw up a team with late-game bad shots, something he shouldn't be doing with Butler on the roster but probably will.

[Bishop45]

Kinda want to see Bucks throw the book at OKC for Russ

Giannas is the type of star that could mask some of Russ's flaws, and Mil has every reason to risk their depth to get more talent on board. Mil also has shown great willingness to get shooters in Bootyhozers system

[twix2500]

I think we are overstating when we say "fit" in regards to Butler and Westbrook. Fit is relevant when you look at the whole team not just two players. To make things fit is the reason you have role players and the reason why certain role players are call "Glue Guys" because they make the main core pieces fit the puzzle (i.e. Haslem next to Shaq, Rondo with Celtics Big 3, Battier and Chalmers with Heat Big 3). I think the concern should be, well at least my concern, is efficiency and running plays that are called, especially if he is going to be running point.

[fsuizzy]

Kinda want to see Bucks throw the book at OKC for Russ

Giannas is the type of star that could mask some of Russ's flaws, and Mil has every reason to risk their depth to get more talent on board. Mil also has shown great willingness to get shooters in Bootyhozers system

Kind of don't want Russ coming to East if we aren't getting him. No reason for any team to get better other than us.

[DayofMourning]

We get Westbrick yet? Can't wait for that black hole to take us to the promised land (1st round of playoffs).

[Bishop45]

I think we are overstating when we say "fit" in regards to Butler and Westbrook. Fit is relevant when you look at the whole team not just two players. To make things fit is the reason you have role players and the reason why certain role players are call "Glue Guys" because they make the main core pieces fit the puzzle (i.e. Haslem next to Shaq, Rondo with Celtics Big 3, Battier and Chalmers with Heat Big 3). I think the concern should be, well at least my concern, is efficiency and running plays that are called, especially if he is going to be running point.

over 50% USG among those two, so they might matter a little more is all