Orlando/OKC Westbrook

[Skin]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7225789

Trade ID #7225789

Westbrook for Fultz, Evan Fournier, D.J. Augustin, Wesley Iwundu, Orlando 2020 1st top 8 protected, Lakers 2020 2nd

Orlando gets a star to play with Vuc and Gorden, they become a solid playoff team a move or two away from contending. OKC gets saves a ton of money gets a couple more picks and they get to test drive Fultz. Solves a problem for OKC, Orlando finally gets a Point Guard.

Can the Heat beat this offer? A lot depends on how Fultz plays out, but if he does then it's highway robbery for OKC once again.

I like it enough from the Magic's POV. Westbrook will finally bring a legit star back to ORL. Whole bunch of haters out there on him, but he plays hard and Magic have a coach that isn't a pushover. Could even see him improving Westbrook's game. Westbrook's scoring load won't be so burdensome. ...and he'll also be surrounded by floor spacers and guys who play defense as hard as he does.

If Fultz is looking good behind closed doors, then I don't do this trade as a Magic fan. I only do it if there is uncertainty.

[tiderulz]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7225789

Trade ID #7225789

Westbrook for Fultz, Evan Fournier, D.J. Augustin, Wesley Iwundu, Orlando 2020 1st top 8 protected, Lakers 2020 2nd

Orlando gets a star to play with Vuc and Gorden, they become a solid playoff team a move or two away from contending. OKC gets saves a ton of money gets a couple more picks and they get to test drive Fultz. Solves a problem for OKC, Orlando finally gets a Point Guard.

Can the Heat beat this offer? A lot depends on how Fultz plays out, but if he does then it's highway robbery for OKC once again.

I like it enough from the Magic's POV. Westbrook will finally bring a legit star back to ORL. Whole bunch of haters out there on him, but he plays hard and Magic have a coach that isn't a pushover. Could even see him improving Westbrook's game. Westbrook's scoring load won't be so burdensome. ...and he'll also be surrounded by floor spacers and guys who play defense as hard as he does.

If Fultz is looking good behind closed doors, then I don't do this trade as a Magic fan. I only do it if there is uncertainty.

if Russell hasnt changed his game in 11 years, he isnt going to do it all of a sudden for Clifford. This man ran KD out of town and had Paul George want to leave. They both understood they couldnt win with Westbrook. He hasnt won a playoff series since KD left. has won 3 games in 3 years of playoffs.

[Magic_Johnny12]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7225789

Trade ID #7225789

Westbrook for Fultz, Evan Fournier, D.J. Augustin, Wesley Iwundu, Orlando 2020 1st top 8 protected, Lakers 2020 2nd

Orlando gets a star to play with Vuc and Gorden, they become a solid playoff team a move or two away from contending. OKC gets saves a ton of money gets a couple more picks and they get to test drive Fultz. Solves a problem for OKC, Orlando finally gets a Point Guard.

Can the Heat beat this offer? A lot depends on how Fultz plays out, but if he does then it's highway robbery for OKC once again.

I like it enough from the Magic's POV. Westbrook will finally bring a legit star back to ORL. Whole bunch of haters out there on him, but he plays hard and Magic have a coach that isn't a pushover. Could even see him improving Westbrook's game. Westbrook's scoring load won't be so burdensome. ...and he'll also be surrounded by floor spacers and guys who play defense as hard as he does.

If Fultz is looking good behind closed doors, then I don't do this trade as a Magic fan. I only do it if there is uncertainty.

if Russell hasnt changed his game in 11 years, he isnt going to do it all of a sudden for Clifford. This man ran KD out of town and had Paul George want to leave. They both understood they couldnt win with Westbrook. He hasnt won a playoff series since KD left. has won 3 games in 3 years of playoffs.

Off topic, but I dont think I will EVER get tired of seeing your AVI.

[Stillwater]

just send Gordon,a future 1st ( or Okeke) and Fournier's expiring

[Rainwater]

Who exactly is Westbrook going to play with in Orlando??? I love Vuc but he and AG are third options at best.

[Spin Move]

Who exactly is Westbrook going to play with in Orlando??? I love Vuc but he and AG are third options at best.

Westbrook is always option one and 2, having 2 option 3's is a bonus.

[dakomish23]

They might get Bamba.

Can’t see ORL breaking up their starting front court

[GatorbaitDD]

Who exactly is Westbrook going to play with in Orlando??? I love Vuc but he and AG are third options at best.

This is such a silly take. You must not have watched the Magic last year. One of the hottest teams end of season and gave Raptors a couple good games. Not nearly as bad as you're making it sound. Vuc, Gordon & Ross are all legit players while not stars.

Vuc/Gordon paired with Westbrook would actually be fairly solid imo.

[A BETTER DJ]

General consensus on the True Blue Magic board is that we have no interest in trading for Russ.

[tiderulz]

Who exactly is Westbrook going to play with in Orlando??? I love Vuc but he and AG are third options at best.

This is such a silly take. You must not have watched the Magic last year. One of the hottest teams end of season and gave Raptors a couple good games. Not nearly as bad as you're making it sound. Vuc, Gordon & Ross are all legit players while not stars.

Vuc/Gordon paired with Westbrook would actually be fairly solid imo.

his statement isnt wrong though. Orlando doesnt have anyone that would be a 2nd option for a good team.

[GatorbaitDD]

Who exactly is Westbrook going to play with in Orlando??? I love Vuc but he and AG are third options at best.

This is such a silly take. You must not have watched the Magic last year. One of the hottest teams end of season and gave Raptors a couple good games. Not nearly as bad as you're making it sound. Vuc, Gordon & Ross are all legit players while not stars.

Vuc/Gordon paired with Westbrook would actually be fairly solid imo.

his statement isnt wrong though. Orlando doesnt have anyone that would be a 2nd option for a good team.

Define "good team". I would argue Vuc is a legitimate #2 option for a playoff team. Arguing against that is pretty silly considering the team made the playoffs with Vuc as the #1. If we're talking Championship contender, sure I concede. But to me that doesn't define a good team considering there are only a handful of teams year in and year out that can be considered a contender.

[tiderulz]

This is such a silly take. You must not have watched the Magic last year. One of the hottest teams end of season and gave Raptors a couple good games. Not nearly as bad as you're making it sound. Vuc, Gordon & Ross are all legit players while not stars.

Vuc/Gordon paired with Westbrook would actually be fairly solid imo.

his statement isnt wrong though. Orlando doesnt have anyone that would be a 2nd option for a good team.

Define "good team". I would argue Vuc is a legitimate #2 option for a playoff team. Arguing against that is pretty silly considering the team made the playoffs with Vuc as the #1. If we're talking Championship contender, sure I concede. But to me that doesn't define a good team considering there are only a handful of teams year in and year out that can be considered a contender.

a top-4 seed team. And Vuc completely disappeared in the playoffs. completely. a legit #2 option for a good team doesnt disappear that much imo.

[GatorbaitDD]

his statement isnt wrong though. Orlando doesnt have anyone that would be a 2nd option for a good team.

Define "good team". I would argue Vuc is a legitimate #2 option for a playoff team. Arguing against that is pretty silly considering the team made the playoffs with Vuc as the #1. If we're talking Championship contender, sure I concede. But to me that doesn't define a good team considering there are only a handful of teams year in and year out that can be considered a contender.

a top-4 seed team. And Vuc completely disappeared in the playoffs. completely. a legit #2 option for a good team doesnt disappear that much imo.

So by your own definition, arbitrarily only 8 teams can be "good" in a given year. This is where we disagree and won't reconcile. Vuc also had to match up against an eventual champion and had an all-star season as the #1 option. I disagree he can't be a legit #2. We can agree to disagree. Magic + Westbrook would be a very good team imo.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Define "good team". I would argue Vuc is a legitimate #2 option for a playoff team. Arguing against that is pretty silly considering the team made the playoffs with Vuc as the #1. If we're talking Championship contender, sure I concede. But to me that doesn't define a good team considering there are only a handful of teams year in and year out that can be considered a contender.

a top-4 seed team. And Vuc completely disappeared in the playoffs. completely. a legit #2 option for a good team doesnt disappear that much imo.

So by your own definition, arbitrarily only 8 teams can be "good" in a given year. This is where we disagree and won't reconcile. Vuc also had to match up against an eventual champion and had an all-star season as the #1 option. I disagree he can't be a legit #2. We can agree to disagree. Magic + Westbrook would be a very good team imo.

I think a team with Vuc, Gordon, Issac, Ross can be a top 4 seed in the East. Shame they waived Moz, he would be perfect filler and allow them to keep Fournier, also a good fit with Russ.

[tiderulz]

a top-4 seed team. And Vuc completely disappeared in the playoffs. completely. a legit #2 option for a good team doesnt disappear that much imo.

So by your own definition, arbitrarily only 8 teams can be "good" in a given year. This is where we disagree and won't reconcile. Vuc also had to match up against an eventual champion and had an all-star season as the #1 option. I disagree he can't be a legit #2. We can agree to disagree. Magic + Westbrook would be a very good team imo.

I think a team with Vuc, Gordon, Issac, Ross can be a top 4 seed in the East. Shame they waived Moz, he would be perfect filler and allow them to keep Fournier, also a good fit with Russ.

a team with Vuc, Gordon, Isaac and Ross just made #7. you expect them to make a jump?

[MoneyTalks41890]

So by your own definition, arbitrarily only 8 teams can be "good" in a given year. This is where we disagree and won't reconcile. Vuc also had to match up against an eventual champion and had an all-star season as the #1 option. I disagree he can't be a legit #2. We can agree to disagree. Magic + Westbrook would be a very good team imo.

I think a team with Vuc, Gordon, Issac, Ross can be a top 4 seed in the East. Shame they waived Moz, he would be perfect filler and allow them to keep Fournier, also a good fit with Russ.

a team with Vuc, Gordon, Isaac and Ross just made #7. you expect them to make a jump?

I mean... yeah. DJ Augustin to Russ is a bit of an improvement. And with all the shooting and size Magic are one of the better landing spots for RussBall

[tiderulz]

Define "good team". I would argue Vuc is a legitimate #2 option for a playoff team. Arguing against that is pretty silly considering the team made the playoffs with Vuc as the #1. If we're talking Championship contender, sure I concede. But to me that doesn't define a good team considering there are only a handful of teams year in and year out that can be considered a contender.

a top-4 seed team. And Vuc completely disappeared in the playoffs. completely. a legit #2 option for a good team doesnt disappear that much imo.

So by your own definition, arbitrarily only 8 teams can be "good" in a given year. This is where we disagree and won't reconcile. Vuc also had to match up against an eventual champion and had an all-star season as the #1 option. I disagree he can't be a legit #2. We can agree to disagree. Magic + Westbrook would be a very good team imo.

i said what i view as a "good" team. Detroit made the playoffs, but i wouldnt call them a good team last year.

And Magic + Westbrook, might win 1 playoff series, but that would be it. Russ plays hard, but for himself and stats. Other stars realize they cant win with the way he plays and he wont change.

[tiderulz]

I think a team with Vuc, Gordon, Issac, Ross can be a top 4 seed in the East. Shame they waived Moz, he would be perfect filler and allow them to keep Fournier, also a good fit with Russ.

a team with Vuc, Gordon, Isaac and Ross just made #7. you expect them to make a jump?

I mean... yeah. DJ Augustin to Russ is a bit of an improvement. And with all the shooting and size Magic are one of the better landing spots for RussBall

ok, you meant Russ, not Ross. Just making sure. because we have a Ross that was a key player last year. Just thought you were thinking the team made a larger jump with the same people.

And the Magic dont really have great shooting. That is actually one of the big weaknesses of the team.

[GatorbaitDD]

a top-4 seed team. And Vuc completely disappeared in the playoffs. completely. a legit #2 option for a good team doesnt disappear that much imo.

So by your own definition, arbitrarily only 8 teams can be "good" in a given year. This is where we disagree and won't reconcile. Vuc also had to match up against an eventual champion and had an all-star season as the #1 option. I disagree he can't be a legit #2. We can agree to disagree. Magic + Westbrook would be a very good team imo.

i said what i view as a "good" team. Detroit made the playoffs, but i wouldnt call them a good team last year.

And Magic + Westbrook, might win 1 playoff series, but that would be it. Russ plays hard, but for himself and stats. Other stars realize they cant win with the way he plays and he wont change.

I never stated they would contend for a championship. I simply said I disagree that they would not be a good team with Russ & Vuc as the #2. However, winning 1 playoff series would put them in the top 8 of the NBA that season and define them as a "good" team (top 8!) by your own criteria. Your logic is all over the place.

[MoneyTalks41890]

a team with Vuc, Gordon, Isaac and Ross just made #7. you expect them to make a jump?

I mean... yeah. DJ Augustin to Russ is a bit of an improvement. And with all the shooting and size Magic are one of the better landing spots for RussBall

ok, you meant Russ, not Ross. Just making sure. because we have a Ross that was a key player last year. Just thought you were thinking the team made a larger jump with the same people.

And the Magic dont really have great shooting. That is actually one of the big weaknesses of the team.

I was adding onto the post, but yeah was implying Russ with those guys. I guess I see a group of players that can shoot well, they just don't always. But what you have is worlds better than what Russ has had in the past.