2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs

[JimmyTheKid]

It might be worthwhile to keep two spots and both 2-ways open for a training camp royal rumble. Would definitely up the stakes for September/early October.

I'd definitely give one spot to Korver if we get and/or Cheick Diallo if they'd take vet min contracts. I like those two guys and they're still out there.

You listen to the latest LOB? Thought they made some very astute points about the Thanasis signing.

What did they say?

[LuessiT]

Might have already been discussed, but shouldn't we leave a spot open for a late season buyout player? Instead of having to unload assets to sign them?

You can just waive a guy if you feel like the potential buyout player is an improvement so no.

[Bucksfan28]

Not a ranking but:
Trey Burke
T. Luwawu
Shelvin Mack
Korkmaz

I'd say Oubre but I still think a team throws him a nice deal. Also intrigued by Wayne Selden, have been since his college days, and wonder how much Crawford has left.

Korkmaz signed a contract with Turkish basketball club Fenerbahçe Beko.

Ah, thanks. Wonder if he realized that the NBA game is too much or he'll try to come back later.

[LuessiT]

We haven't announced Lopez. We still can sign a minimum contract to more than years. I think that might be what we're waiting on.

[paulpressey25]

It might be worthwhile to keep two spots and both 2-ways open for a training camp royal rumble. Would definitely up the stakes for September/early October.

I'd definitely give one spot to Korver if we get and/or Cheick Diallo if they'd take vet min contracts. I like those two guys and they're still out there.

You listen to the latest LOB? Thought they made some very astute points about the Thanasis signing.

Which points?

[mke_design]

I'd definitely give one spot to Korver if we get and/or Cheick Diallo if they'd take vet min contracts. I like those two guys and they're still out there.

You listen to the latest LOB? Thought they made some very astute points about the Thanasis signing.

Which points?

Yeah I don’t understand the direction you’re saying this with. Their points about Thanasis were strictly it being a can of worms they both think they would not have personally opened.


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[Chuck Diesel]

You listen to the latest LOB? Thought they made some very astute points about the Thanasis signing.

Which points?

Yeah I don’t understand the direction you’re saying this with. Their points about Thanasis were strictly it being a can of worms they both think they would not have personally opened.


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I found their points laying out the downside risk, the inverse of what the pro Thanasis crowd's hopes are, to be very well reasoned. A 15th slot on the roster shouldn't be burdened with the ability to help or hurt the star's chances of resigning with the organization. They recounted how every roster spot becomes vital as the season goes along. There are always injuries, upgrades appearing on the waiver wire, trades that require an extra salary. Potentially being beholden to a 15th spot for two years presents an unprecedented and unnecessarily awkward predicament. "Is the 15th man now untouchable because of his last name?" If Giannis does sign the extension, does he pull a Paul George after year one if the Bucks cut his brother? Frank made a great point that the locker room is "just a collection of guys." Have you ever known a collection of guys to be cool with overt nepotism, to not talk **** about it behind backs? What happens if RayJohn Tucker or whoever absolutely busts Thanasis's ass in training camp? Players all take note of that kinda stuff. Just too much downside risk or a 15th spot.

Also agree with their pointing out that the Bucks added an unnecessary level of murkiness by just gifting him a two year guaranteed contract without a player of his stature going through the traditional summer league, training camp paths. It's almost like they didn't want him to be exposed too early. He skipped steps and it's kinda odd that the vacations in Greece with the family seemed to take precedence over summer league/ working out in front of Bucks coaches.

[LuessiT]

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Dancing bear baby.

[theFireBlanket]

Which points?

Yeah I don’t understand the direction you’re saying this with. Their points about Thanasis were strictly it being a can of worms they both think they would not have personally opened.


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I found their points laying out the downside risk, the inverse of what the pro Thanasis crowd's hopes are, to be very well reasoned. A 15th slot on the roster shouldn't be burdened with the ability to help or hurt the star's chances of resigning with the organization. They recounted how every roster spot becomes vital as the season goes along. There are always injuries, upgrades appearing on the waiver wire, trades that require an extra salary. Potentially being beholden to a 15th spot for two years presents an unprecedented and unnecessarily awkward predicament. "Is the 15th man now untouchable because of his last name?" If Giannis does sign the extension, does he pull a Paul George after year one if the Bucks cut his brother? Frank made a great point that the locker room is "just a collection of guys." Have you ever known a collection of guys to be cool with overt nepotism, to not talk **** about it behind backs? What happens if RayJohn Tucker or whoever absolutely busts Thanasis's ass in training camp? Players all take note of that kinda stuff. Just too much downside risk or a 15th spot.

Also agree with their pointing out that the Bucks added an unnecessary level of murkiness by just gifting him a two year guaranteed contract without a player of his stature going through the traditional summer league, training camp paths. It's almost like they didn't want him to be exposed too early. He skipped steps and it's kinda odd that the vacations in Greece with the family seemed to take precedence over summer league/ working out in front of Bucks coaches.

How do you know that Thanasis didn't join the coaching staff at all before the signing? Or that he hasn't spent any time with them in the past year. Giannis brothers are often at the training facility.

The purpose of their Greek trip was Giannis' charity function, Rise N Give. Suspect he was going to be at SL if not for the conflict & Giannis wanting him there.

Conversely what happens when Thanasis busts Sterling & DJ Wilson's ass? Shuts down Khash Money?

Giannis improves players games, we've witnessed this. But he won't push his brother to practice & improve? He's still young enough.

Look at their personalities. This isn't an average situation.

Bucks will win this bet. Bank on it.

[bucksfansince88]

Conversely what happens when Thanasis busts Sterling & DJ Wilson's ass? Shuts down Khash Money?

That Part!

[M-C-G]

I’ll be really bummed* if one of the spots goes to another local charity case in Sam Dekker.

*In the context of reaction to Bucks transactions. Feel like that’s weirdly become a necessary caveat these days.

I think Thanasis fills our sentiment roster spot

[Chuck Diesel]

Yeah I don’t understand the direction you’re saying this with. Their points about Thanasis were strictly it being a can of worms they both think they would not have personally opened.


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I found their points laying out the downside risk, the inverse of what the pro Thanasis crowd's hopes are, to be very well reasoned. A 15th slot on the roster shouldn't be burdened with the ability to help or hurt the star's chances of resigning with the organization. They recounted how every roster spot becomes vital as the season goes along. There are always injuries, upgrades appearing on the waiver wire, trades that require an extra salary. Potentially being beholden to a 15th spot for two years presents an unprecedented and unnecessarily awkward predicament. "Is the 15th man now untouchable because of his last name?" If Giannis does sign the extension, does he pull a Paul George after year one if the Bucks cut his brother? Frank made a great point that the locker room is "just a collection of guys." Have you ever known a collection of guys to be cool with overt nepotism, to not talk **** about it behind backs? What happens if RayJohn Tucker or whoever absolutely busts Thanasis's ass in training camp? Players all take note of that kinda stuff. Just too much downside risk or a 15th spot.

Also agree with their pointing out that the Bucks added an unnecessary level of murkiness by just gifting him a two year guaranteed contract without a player of his stature going through the traditional summer league, training camp paths. It's almost like they didn't want him to be exposed too early. He skipped steps and it's kinda odd that the vacations in Greece with the family seemed to take precedence over summer league/ working out in front of Bucks coaches.

How do you know that Thanasis didn't join the coaching staff at all before the signing? Or that he hasn't spent any time with them in the past year. Giannis brothers are often at the training facility.

The purpose of their Greek trip was Giannis' charity function, Rise N Give. Suspect he was going to be at SL if not for the conflict & Giannis wanting him there.

Conversely what happens when Thanasis busts Sterling & DJ Wilson's ass? Shuts down KM?

Well the Greek season is long as hell and that’s where he’s been playing (in addition to summers with the NT) so I’m not seeing the window for time to work with Bucks coaches. Possible, though that’s not the main point. Any other borderline prospect of Thanasis’s caliber isn’t awarded the chance to skip summer league in order to attend a charity event and vacation overseas. It goes against the grain of the typical path to making a roster.

Frank and Eric also outlined a scenario where this all works out perfectly, which would be obviously be wonderful. The point is that it’s an unprecedented burden to place on a 15th slot. For both brothers and the organization.

[M-C-G]

Think about in another reality our starter and back up center brothers could have been Thon and Matur

[mke_design]

I found their points laying out the downside risk, the inverse of what the pro Thanasis crowd's hopes are, to be very well reasoned. A 15th slot on the roster shouldn't be burdened with the ability to help or hurt the star's chances of resigning with the organization. They recounted how every roster spot becomes vital as the season goes along. There are always injuries, upgrades appearing on the waiver wire, trades that require an extra salary. Potentially being beholden to a 15th spot for two years presents an unprecedented and unnecessarily awkward predicament. "Is the 15th man now untouchable because of his last name?" If Giannis does sign the extension, does he pull a Paul George after year one if the Bucks cut his brother? Frank made a great point that the locker room is "just a collection of guys." Have you ever known a collection of guys to be cool with overt nepotism, to not talk **** about it behind backs? What happens if RayJohn Tucker or whoever absolutely busts Thanasis's ass in training camp? Players all take note of that kinda stuff. Just too much downside risk or a 15th spot.

Also agree with their pointing out that the Bucks added an unnecessary level of murkiness by just gifting him a two year guaranteed contract without a player of his stature going through the traditional summer league, training camp paths. It's almost like they didn't want him to be exposed too early. He skipped steps and it's kinda odd that the vacations in Greece with the family seemed to take precedence over summer league/ working out in front of Bucks coaches.

How do you know that Thanasis didn't join the coaching staff at all before the signing? Or that he hasn't spent any time with them in the past year. Giannis brothers are often at the training facility.

The purpose of their Greek trip was Giannis' charity function, Rise N Give. Suspect he was going to be at SL if not for the conflict & Giannis wanting him there.

Conversely what happens when Thanasis busts Sterling & DJ Wilson's ass? Shuts down KM?

Well the Greek season is long as hell and that’s where he’s been playing (in addition to summers the NT) so I’m not seeing the window for time to work with Bucks coaches. Possible, though that’z not the main point. Any other borderline prospect of Thanasis’s caliber isn’t awarded the chance to skip summer league in order to attend a charity event and vacation overseas. It goes against the grain of the typical path to making a roster.

Frank and Eric also outlined a scenario where this all works out perfectly, which would be obviously be wonderful. The point is that it’s an unprecedented burden to place on a 15th slot. For both brothers and the organization.

And I understand the risks and they spent more time appealing to the “anti” thanasis crowd so I don’t blame people from having it as a major take away. However, there are pros to this as well.

Considering we have no actual journalists for the Bucks - just reporters - we won’t know any details to any of this until a national person gets a snippet from an interview unfortunately.

It’s sad af that we don’t have any real journalists covering the team and our local experts are anything but.


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[Matches Malone]

Gotta love it. Free agency 2019 still going on and they already talking about 2021.

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[DrWood]

Saw this on the General Board. 538 has a new defensive metric for yielding minimal openness by nearest defender. Here's the roster with most recent data:

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season   player   possessions   DRAYMOND
2019   Brook Lopez   6039.569   2.531657
2019   Robin Lopez   3386.653   2.350851
2019   Giannis Antetokounmpo   6338.544   2.128734
2019   Donte DiVincenzo   926.8906   2.02375
2019   Pat Connaughton   3492.672   1.904196
2019   Eric Bledsoe   5899.579   1.226985
2019   D.J. Wilson   2055.031   0.9605402
2019   George Hill   3631.847   0.6850559
2019   Khris Middleton   6334.098   -0.1893033
2019   Ersan Ilyasova   3315.226   -0.2015826
2019   Sterling Brown   2651.353   -0.294829
2019   Wesley Matthews   4655.639   -1.008086
2016   Thanasis Antetokounmpo   12.96   -2.534407
2019   Jon Leuer   856.495   -2.634298

hmm. what about all you guys who think Brown is a lock-down defender, but Pat can't stay with his guy?

It’s not that he can’t stay with guys. It’s that he goes flying by them anytime they pump fake

apparently not that either.

[JayMKE]

Giannis cant sign the supermax soon enough

tired of these vultures pushing narratives

[ReddRum]

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[bizarro]

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[JayMKE]

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w-what?!?