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Re: 2019 Heat Offseason thread 4.0- Yimmy Eastbrook and the Kids? 

Post#501 » by Heat3 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:40 pm

heater4life wrote:The Heat are playing hardball, by Monday we’ll see who blinks first. If nothing happens by Monday this is dead in the water.


No it won't be. OKC has all off season to do it and we'll still be an option. This is only to get him out before the season starts, Miami can wait longer. There is no need to rush from our side. When we got Zo it was right before the season started, after pre-season was done. He was disgruntled and Charlotte did not want to start the season with him on the team. They just wanted to move on.
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Re: 2019 Heat Offseason thread 4.0- Yimmy Eastbrook and the Kids? 

Post#502 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:41 pm

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JustiseForMiami wrote:To Miami: Russell Westbrook, Patrick Patterson, John Henson

To Oklahoma City: Goran Dragic, JR Smith, Justise Winslow, James Johnson, unprotect 2023 1st

To Cleveland: Dion Waiters, Andre Roberson, Derrick Jones Jr, Miami 2025 1st round pick (lottery protection)



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So Winslow, DJJr and 2 first rounders? 4 “assets” for a player with a huge contract that most other teams fear? No thank you! Let’s not get desperate to close the deal. I rather ride this one out since Westbrook is an expensive boom or bust. If anything, our 2021 expiring contracts just became golf today with the 2021 free agency turning to gold!

Best case 1 young and unprotected 2023 along with a few of our expiring contracts... And by young I mean DJJr since we essentially already accepted the fact that he was going to Dallas for Butler, so we can go back to thinking that.


4 assets because we also turn JJ and Dion into expirings, that adds into it.

I'd obviously not like to give those pieces up but I dont think just trash gets it done


To me Winslow, unprotected 2023, DJJr and protected 2025 are what I would call the sweeteners here... am I right? I say two of those at most should be included and not anything more. Even that is making me sick. We need our young guys for quality depth. They are in this perfect stage of their careers where they are already quality bargain players, but also posses the potential to bloom into something more!

I do also consider expiring contracts an asset. So Dragic is an immediate asset, especially considering he is a darn good player still. JJ and Waiters are soon to be decent assets. They aren’t terrible players on decent deals in today’s era, with soon to be expiring deals.

That deal above is worst case scenario if you ask me. It may be a deal that is meant to appeal to OKC, but let’s not shoot our selves in the foot to bail out OKC of this mess they are in.
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Re: 2019 Heat Offseason thread 4.0- Yimmy Eastbrook and the Kids? 

Post#503 » by greg4012 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:46 pm

DefenseWins wrote:hol up, JR? NO MORE TITOS!!!

The more this drags on, the more it does seem this ain't gonna happen. I don't mind honestly...

I feel if this was Beal, we would have done it already.


If we were dealing for Beal, we would have to sell the farm to make it happen (or take on the Wall albatross)
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Post#504 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:52 pm

I want to flip the script here and not focus on immediate gratification as we value this deal...

Who is giving us sweeteners to take on the risk and possible/probable burden of paying an aged WB 47 million in a few years? I want to know how we are being compensated for this?
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Post#505 » by twix2500 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:53 pm

Because I am bored. Thunder can get cap relief by waiving JR, and then they will get additional cap releif the following summer. Cavs gain a second round pick, Minny gets a point guard and Miami gets Russ Image

PG: Westbrook - Waiters - Nunn
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Winslow - Jones Jr - Robinson
PF: Olynyk - Lyles - Okpala
Ce: Adebayo - Leonard - Maten

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Re: 2019 Heat Offseason thread 4.0- Yimmy Eastbrook and the Kids? 

Post#506 » by HeatIn5 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:53 pm

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So Winslow, DJJr and 2 first rounders? 4 “assets” for a player with a huge contract that most other teams fear? No thank you! Let’s not get desperate to close the deal. I rather ride this one out since Westbrook is an expensive boom or bust. If anything, our 2021 expiring contracts just became golf today with the 2021 free agency turning to gold!

Best case 1 young and unprotected 2023 along with a few of our expiring contracts... And by young I mean DJJr since we essentially already accepted the fact that he was going to Dallas for Butler, so we can go back to thinking that.


4 assets because we also turn JJ and Dion into expirings, that adds into it.

I'd obviously not like to give those pieces up but I dont think just trash gets it done


To me Winslow, unprotected 2023, DJJr and protected 2025 are what I would call the sweeteners here... am I right? I say two of those at most should be included and not anything more. Even that is making me sick. We need our young guys for quality depth. They are in this perfect stage of their careers where they are already quality bargain players, but also posses the potential to bloom into something more!

I do also consider expiring contracts an asset. So Dragic is an immediate asset, especially considering he is a darn good player still. JJ and Waiters are soon to be decent assets. They aren’t terrible players on decent deals in today’s era, with soon to be expiring deals.

That deal above is worst case scenario if you ask me. It may be a deal that is meant to appeal to OKC, but let’s not shoot our selves in the foot to bail out OKC of this mess they are in.


We’ve already seen numerous times that Goran is not as good of an asset as we thing, expirings aren’t worth what they used to be.

DJJ is a weird case. He’s young and improved, however if he has another good year he’ll likely get paid pretty solidly next year taking away his “prospect” status

The 2023 pick unprotection doesn’t mean much as we’ll be a contender that year anyways. We’re already giving the pick up.

The 2025 pick is given to Cleveland. Cleveland honestly is gonna want a sweetener or 2. They have no reason to take on a longer deal when they can just get rid of JR now and we’re screwed. Without a team like Cleveland we can’t do the deal.

If we have to give up 1 extra piece than we want to make it happen, you do it. We’re also giving up JJ instead of Kelly which works out better below.

And the one thing I agree With you on is that this is as far as I’d go. I’m not giving up Bam or Herro under any circumstances.

A team of

Westbrook/ Nunn
Herro/ Robinson
Jimmy / KZ
Kelly / Patterson
Bam / Meyers / Henson

We also have 25M coming off the books heading into 2020 and a 1st round pick
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Post#507 » by Dadouv47 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:55 pm

twix2500 wrote:Because I am bored. Thunder can get cap relief by waiving JR, and then they will get additional cap releif the following summer. Cavs gain a second round pick, Minny gets a point guard and Miami gets Russ Image

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lol that's terrible for us. If you give me a first (even with protection) then I would do it.

I like it for the Wolves though
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Post#508 » by Dadouv47 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:57 pm

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twix2500 wrote:Because I am bored. Thunder can get cap relief by waiving JR, and then they will get additional cap releif the following summer. Cavs gain a second round pick, Minny gets a point guard and Miami gets Russ Image

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lol that's terrible for us. If you give me a first then I would do it.

I like it for the Wolves though


and the Heat should take 2pat, even if I'm SO disappointed by him since he came to OKC, he has a low salary and if somehow he can shoot again he could help to stretch the floor.
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Post#509 » by RexBoyWonder » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:59 pm

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Just as it should be.

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Post#510 » by Kobewade11 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:04 pm

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:I want to flip the script here and not focus on immediate gratification as we value this deal...

Who is giving us sweeteners to take on the risk and possible/probable burden of paying an aged WB 47 million in a few years? I want to know how we are being compensated for this?

Exactly the reason why we shouldn't give up any young players for him. Unprotect our pick that they own, toss em an expiring and a two year deal and call it a day.
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Post#511 » by mg » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:04 pm

Basically I believe Presti was initially shocked how little value he would get back from Russ. He won't take back Wiggins and Detroit is *allegedly* still internally debating if they should give up assets. Russ wants Miami though of course. I do believe he is very motivated to win at this point.
At this point, OKC getting capspace + lowered protection on that '23 pick is a fair deal for them. This is not a Clippers situation where they were also on the clock for Kawhi although the JR contract (which they want included in any deal) obviously has an end date. Klutch will apparently extend the guarantee date to Aug 1 but it would cost the Cavs and add another $750K to the guaranteed portion of JR's contract.

Cavs basically need a youngish player + a FRP(from either Mia or OKC) to make it worth their while. I don't really blame them since they are a lottery team straddling the luxury tax again so will be forced to get creative via stretch, buyouts or trades as they need to stay out of the tax for 2 years in order for the repeater penalty to reset. They will spend money but it's ridiculous to pay repeater tax dollars on a deep lottery team. It's the price for digging out of a hole after LeBron leaves though.
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Post#512 » by HIF » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:05 pm

Why do all fans these days need trades to happen yesterday?

Is it the influence of snapchat, tweeter, FB and the like?

complicated things take time. This is a lot of money and a lot of people's lives we're talking about.

Do you all just go out and buy a $200 pair of trainers every day without thought? A $50,000 dollar car on the spur of the moment.

Have some patience.
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Re: 2019 Heat Offseason thread 4.0- Yimmy Eastbrook and the Kids? 

Post#513 » by twix2500 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:07 pm

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twix2500 wrote:Because I am bored. Thunder can get cap relief by waiving JR, and then they will get additional cap releif the following summer. Cavs gain a second round pick, Minny gets a point guard and Miami gets Russ Image

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lol that's terrible for us. If you give me a first (even with protection) then I would do it.

I like it for the Wolves though
Well I wanted to unlock the protection of the 1st rounder u got from Heat. But its not an option on the site.

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Post#514 » by The Bunk » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:07 pm

HIF wrote:Why do all fans these days need trades to happen yesterday?

Is it the influence of snapchat, tweeter, FB and the like?

complicated things take time. This is a lot of money and a lot of people's lives we're talking about.

Do you all just go out and buy a $200 pair of trainers every day without thought? A $50,000 dollar car on the spur of the moment.

Have some patience.


Because we're fans. The business side is excluded from our priorities.
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Post#515 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:16 pm

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4 assets because we also turn JJ and Dion into expirings, that adds into it.

I'd obviously not like to give those pieces up but I dont think just trash gets it done


To me Winslow, unprotected 2023, DJJr and protected 2025 are what I would call the sweeteners here... am I right? I say two of those at most should be included and not anything more. Even that is making me sick. We need our young guys for quality depth. They are in this perfect stage of their careers where they are already quality bargain players, but also posses the potential to bloom into something more!

I do also consider expiring contracts an asset. So Dragic is an immediate asset, especially considering he is a darn good player still. JJ and Waiters are soon to be decent assets. They aren’t terrible players on decent deals in today’s era, with soon to be expiring deals.

That deal above is worst case scenario if you ask me. It may be a deal that is meant to appeal to OKC, but let’s not shoot our selves in the foot to bail out OKC of this mess they are in.


We’ve already seen numerous times that Goran is not as good of an asset as we thing, expirings aren’t worth what they used to be.

DJJ is a weird case. He’s young and improved, however if he has another good year he’ll likely get paid pretty solidly next year taking away his “prospect” status

The 2023 pick unprotection doesn’t mean much as we’ll be a contender that year anyways. We’re already giving the pick up.

The 2025 pick is given to Cleveland. Cleveland honestly is gonna want a sweetener or 2. They have no reason to take on a longer deal when they can just get rid of JR now and we’re screwed. Without a team like Cleveland we can’t do the deal.

If we have to give up 1 extra piece than we want to make it happen, you do it. We’re also giving up JJ instead of Kelly which works out better below.

And the one thing I agree With you on is that this is as far as I’d go. I’m not giving up Bam or Herro under any circumstances.

A team of

Westbrook/ Nunn
Herro/ Robinson
Jimmy / KZ
Kelly / Patterson
Bam / Meyers / Henson

We also have 25M coming off the books heading into 2020 and a 1st round pick


I agree, Cavs need their own sweetener. My point is, why should we be the ones to pay it? OKC can provide that from the sweeteners we already offered them or generate some of there own.

And Dragic at the deadline would be sweet for a team on the cusp. They get a quality player to push into the playoffs, and then see his contract come off. I am confident he could be moved by the deadline and get back a prospect at the least. And he is also a player we could potentially re-sign this upcoming summer on a team friendly deal. Winslow and Dragic combined can get you the production Westbrook would, without the risk and 40+ million price tag.

You are right about the DJJr impending free agency and how he will jump up in price very soon. Moving him seems like the best scenario in terms of offering a sweetener.
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Post#516 » by RexBoyWonder » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:16 pm

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Read on Twitter


"If Miami has to part with Adebayo, Winslow, or any future pick to acquire Russ, Riley would probably be better served waiting to chase a second star in free agency."


This is why this guy is a Mod.

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Post#517 » by twix2500 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:20 pm

twix2500 wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:
twix2500 wrote:Because I am bored. Thunder can get cap relief by waiving JR, and then they will get additional cap releif the following summer. Cavs gain a second round pick, Minny gets a point guard and Miami gets Russ Image

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lol that's terrible for us. If you give me a first (even with protection) then I would do it.

I like it for the Wolves though
Well I wanted to unlock the protection of the 1st rounder u got from Heat. But its not an option on the site.

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Post#518 » by JLop » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:23 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:
twix2500 wrote:Because I am bored. Thunder can get cap relief by waiving JR, and then they will get additional cap releif the following summer. Cavs gain a second round pick, Minny gets a point guard and Miami gets Russ Image

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lol that's terrible for us. If you give me a first then I would do it.

I like it for the Wolves though


and the Heat should take 2pat, even if I'm SO disappointed by him since he came to OKC, he has a low salary and if somehow he can shoot again he could help to stretch the floor.


Russell Westbrook is a bad contract.
I hope Pat Riley will wait longer to see what Oklahoma can do next season by paying $ 41,358,814 to Russell Westbrook at 32 years of age. By then, Oklahoma will have to eat Westbrook and his contract with a piece of bread. Dwyane Wade is one of the three best guards of all time in the NBA and does not depend on his athleticism, unlike Russell. How much money did we offer Dwyane Wade when he was 34? Do you see where I'm going with this? If Miami offers any of our young players as part of this transaction, or a first-round pick, I do not want to see Pat Riley anymore on our team.
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Re: 2019 Heat Offseason thread 4.0- Yimmy Eastbrook and the Kids? 

Post#519 » by Dadouv47 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:24 pm

mg wrote:Basically I believe Presti was initially shocked how little value he would get back from Russ. He won't take back Wiggins and Detroit is *allegedly* still internally debating if they should give up assets. Russ wants Miami though of course. I do believe he is very motivated to win at this point.
At this point, OKC getting capspace + lowered protection on that '23 pick is a fair deal for them. This is not a Clippers situation where they were also on the clock for Kawhi although the JR contract (which they want included in any deal) obviously has an end date. Klutch will apparently extend the guarantee date to Aug 1 but it would cost the Cavs and add another $750K to the guaranteed portion of JR's contract.

Cavs basically need a youngish player + a FRP(from either Mia or OKC) to make it worth their while. I don't really blame them since they are a lottery team straddling the luxury tax again so will be forced to get creative via stretch, buyouts or trades as they need to stay out of the tax for 2 years in order for the repeater penalty to reset. They will spend money but it's ridiculous to pay repeater tax dollars on a deep lottery team. It's the price for digging out of a hole after LeBron leaves though.


Nah I think he knew Westbrook's had almost no trade value. That's why he wanted to package PG13+WB to the Raptors. In the end he decided to collect everything from the PG13 trade and we will just send you Russ for nothing.
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Re: 2019 Heat Offseason thread 4.0- Yimmy Eastbrook and the Kids? 

Post#520 » by HeatIn5 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:26 pm

The Bunk wrote:
HIF wrote:Why do all fans these days need trades to happen yesterday?

Is it the influence of snapchat, tweeter, FB and the like?

complicated things take time. This is a lot of money and a lot of people's lives we're talking about.

Do you all just go out and buy a $200 pair of trainers every day without thought? A $50,000 dollar car on the spur of the moment.

Have some patience.


Because we're fans. The business side is excluded from our priorities.


Also because with Cleveland in the mix, things get much much more complicated after monday

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