2019 Heat Offseason thread 4.0- Yimmy and the Kids!

Post #641 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:08 pm

gom wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:unfortunately our only legacy as a NBA team is LOYALTY. You blindside the most important player in your franchise history (that allowed you to stay ''competitive'' after Durant left) and so what? You become the most ridiculous organization in the league. We retired Collison's jersey because of this image of ''loyalty''.

No need to be apologetic about retiring Collison's jersey. He was an important player.

Agreed. He was like what UD is to us.

HeatIn5 · Post #642 » by **HeatIn5** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:08 pm

Dr_Heat wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:

Read on Twitter

If he has a list that means we have competing offers. Even if we are at the top of that list it means OKC has other optiosn depending on what the other teams on that list are offering.

Oh well so much for the Westbrook dream

Or maybe is OKC putting that out to see if Riley will bite

I'll be perfectly okay if it's just us and Houston. I'm pretty confident at that point.

Why would Presti make them better, and for what??

The more I hear, the more I think we're gonna get this done discounted.

Especially if Detroit and Orlando are actually out

Post #643 » by **Dadouv47** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:08 pm

Dr_Heat wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:

Read on Twitter

If he has a list that means we have competing offers. Even if we are at the top of that list it means OKC has other optiosn depending on what the other teams on that list are offering.

Oh well so much for the Westbrook dream

Or maybe is OKC putting that out to see if Riley will bite

It's Windhorst guys. He's only more reliable than Chris Broussard but that's it.

Post #644 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:09 pm

JustiseForMiami wrote:
Dr_Heat wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:

Read on Twitter

If he has a list that means we have competing offers. Even if we are at the top of that list it means OKC has other optiosn depending on what the other teams on that list are offering.

Oh well so much for the Westbrook dream

Or maybe is OKC putting that out to see if Riley will bite

I'll be perfectly okay if it's just us and Houston. I'm pretty confident at that point.

Why would Presti make them better, and for what??

The more I hear, the more I think we're gonna get this done discounted.

Especially if Detroit and Orlando are actually out

Discounted probably means just Winslow considering they were asking for Bam and Herro on top of that. I don't see how Houston makes that happen without a third team. Who's taking on Paul?

Heat3 · Post #645 » by **Heat3** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:09 pm

AirP. wrote:
somerandomdude wrote:

Read on Twitter

Tell that to OKC who just got a boatload for Paul George coming off multiple surgeries this summer.

They weren't looking to blow up their team then. The Clippers came desperate with an offer they couldn't refuse.

Now the situation is different. They aren't going to get the same haul for Westbrook when everyone knows they want to move him because they decided to rebuild. Now its them who wants to get out of a bad contract. Can't force someone else to overpay for it.

gom · Post #646 » by **gom** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:11 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:
Dr_Heat wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:

Read on Twitter

If he has a list that means we have competing offers. Even if we are at the top of that list it means OKC has other optiosn depending on what the other teams on that list are offering.

Oh well so much for the Westbrook dream

Or maybe is OKC putting that out to see if Riley will bite

It's Windhorst guys. He's only more reliable than Chris Broussard but that's it.

They're looking for a third team to take Chris Paul??? Because Harden+Paul+Westbrook does not seem like a smart idea. I don't think anyone will do that deal, not even for 2 or 3 picks from Houston.

Lilseb93 · Post #647 » by **Lilseb93** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:13 pm

I don't get the fit with CP3 and Harden. It seems like Houston is always involved when we're trying to do something. Go away lol.

somerandomdude · Post #648 » by **somerandomdude** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:15 pm

(Works in RGM trade checker)

CLE receives: Chris Paul
HOU receives: Westbrook
OKC receives: Tristian Thompson, JR Smith

If Cleveland thinks they can win with CP3 and Love, they might do it.

MiamiLoyal926 · Post #649 » by **MiamiLoyal926** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:15 pm

It doesn’t matter who else is in this bidding war... we have to worry about us and still cannot outbid ourselves. If someone else wants to overpay, then so be it! No point in having two great players and a depleted cupboard... look at the Lakers. We would be Lakers 2.0

Post #650 » by **Dadouv47** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:16 pm

gom wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:
Dr_Heat wrote:
Oh well so much for the Westbrook dream

Or maybe is OKC putting that out to see if Riley will bite

It's Windhorst guys. He's only more reliable than Chris Broussard but that's it.

They're looking for a third team to take Chris Paul??? Because Harden+Paul+Westbrook does not seem like a smart idea. I don't think anyone will do that deal, not even for 2 or 3 picks from Houston.

It could be for a third team to get someone from OKC or Houston for cap relief (Schroeder for example). That part shouldn't be that hard. But I don't see OKC willing to trade for Chris Paul and Houston willing to trade MANY assets in order to get Russ instead of CP3. Doesn't make much sense...

dean456 · Post #651 » by **dean456** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:18 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:

Read on Twitter

If he has a list that means we have competing offers. Even if we are at the top of that list it means OKC has other options depending on what the other teams on that list are offering.

From everything that I have read those teams are Houston and Miami.

MartyCONLONNN · Post #652 » by **MartyCONLONNN** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:19 pm

I for one hope Hou can somehow pull off RW, Harden AND CP3 playing together. The laughs we'd get this season :nod:

fishfuego. · Post #653 » by **fishfuego.** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:19 pm

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
JLop wrote:
Russell Westbrook
Age: 32 Salary = $41,358,814
Age: 33 Salary = $44,211,146
Age: 34 Salary = $47,063,478

Russell Westbrook is a bad contract.

If he plays well it's not a bad contract. Stars are gonna be paid more than that. Cap is gonna increase salaries as a whole is gonna increase. If you want a star that is how much they are gonna get paid. By that time average players could be hitting the 30s. We should all be use to this by now. As long as he plays well at 34.

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We all keep circling around the fact that this is a trade clearly surrounded by risk. You do not pay a premium for a risk. Shoot, OKC sees the writing on the wall and blew it up before it got bad for them... let’s not be the fools who buy their depreciating gold on yesterday’s price.

You mean yesterday’s gold on today’s price :wink:

gom · Post #654 » by **gom** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:21 pm

Another possibility is for Miami to pull off two trades:

Dragic for Iggy (Iggy is an expiring deal)

Then Winslow/Waiters/James Johnson for Westbrook. Miami can remove the protections from the 2023 pick. Waiters and James Johnson expire in 2021.

http://tradenba.com/trades/HkeOxVCxH

This saves a total of $4m for the Heat. They still need to add two players at minimum vet, so it's not as much as it seems ($2.8m) but gets us solidly under the apron.

Post #655 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:21 pm

Hey, if we can find a way to get him without giving up two of the three guys, I'm all for it, but if it takes two of the three I'm cool walking away.

AirP. · Post #656 » by **AirP.** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:21 pm

somerandomdude wrote:
AirP. wrote:
somerandomdude wrote:

Read on Twitter

Tell that to OKC who just got a boatload for Paul George coming off multiple surgeries this summer.

From LAC's perspective, the trade was also for Kawhi Leonard.

Still looks lopsided? Sounds about fair value, at best.

Not from Oklahoma's perspective. I still don't believe Kawhi was ever going to LA with LeBron there, I think the Clippers got used by OKC and Kawhi.

twix2500 · Post #657 » by **twix2500** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:22 pm

somerandomdude wrote:(Works in RGM trade checker)

CLE receives: Chris Paul
HOU receives: Westbrook
OKC receives: Tristian Thompson, JR Smith

If Cleveland thinks they can win with CP3 and Love, they might do it.

You must know something we don't. Because Cavs GM must be on crack to think that.

MiamiLoyal926 · Post #658 » by **MiamiLoyal926** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:23 pm

fishfuego. wrote:
MiamiLoyal926 wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
If he plays well it's not a bad contract. Stars are gonna be paid more than that. Cap is gonna increase salaries as a whole is gonna increase. If you want a star that is how much they are gonna get paid. By that time average players could be hitting the 30s. We should all be use to this by now. As long as he plays well at 34.

Sent from my SM-T550 using Tapatalk

We all keep circling around the fact that this is a trade clearly surrounded by risk. You do not pay a premium for a risk. Shoot, OKC sees the writing on the wall and blew it up before it got bad for them... let’s not be the fools who buy their depreciating gold on yesterday’s price.

You mean yesterday’s gold on today’s price

Exactly... it may be yesterday’s gold. That is why it’s a risk! We may be down to silver here and think we are still buying gold!

gom · Post #659 » by **gom** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:23 pm

somerandomdude wrote:(Works in RGM trade checker)

CLE receives: Chris Paul
HOU receives: Westbrook
OKC receives: Tristian Thompson, JR Smith

If Cleveland thinks they can win with CP3 and Love, they might do it.

Chris Paul's contract is actually worse than Westbrook's, and the Cavs are in the middle of a rebuild. I don't see Cleveland doing this without serious incentive, as in 2-3 FRP.

dean456 · Post #660 » by **dean456** » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:24 pm

somerandomdude wrote:(Works in RGM trade checker)

CLE receives: Chris Paul
HOU receives: Westbrook
OKC receives: Tristian Thompson, JR Smith

If Cleveland thinks they can win with CP3 and Love, they might do it.

I doubt Cleveland would draft Sexton and Garland then trade for Chris Paul.