2019 Heat Offseason thread 4.0- Yimmy and the Kids!

[greg4012]

If they want that much move on to Beal.

I like RW but nobody else is going to give much of anything to talk on that contract. Good luck OKC.

You don't have the assets for Beal. Pretty sure several teams are willing to trade for Beal with young players and first round picks.

But if you don't want to give up Winslow to get Russ that's another story (I still think Westbrook to Miami is almost a lock)

Right. But if we clear the deck, in July 2021, we are one of the 10+ suitors that will seek to sign Beal as a free agent.

FTFY

[wade44]

Further into this we get, the more comfortable I am with going into the season w/ what we have. Give us a full season of what Winslow has to offer playing the point alongside Himmy Butler, Bam starting & not having to worry about Headcase Hassan stealing his minutes. Herro could be exciting. Dragic could becomes appealing to teams as an expiring maybe Miami gets a good player if we are patient & an opportunity presents itself. 2021 Free Agency could boast some appealing players too

[MiamiLoyal926]

Riley is about that long con... look how long he patiently waited for Butler. He held strong 2010 trade deadline. Even JJ and waiters were suppose to be that long con, they just got fat, lazy, and injured and it back fired as they did not become those nice trade filler assets he was hoping for. They seem to be better assets as soon to be expiring contracts now. None the less, he will not rush this. He will wait it out.. and I am sure he knows that if he gives too much on this deal, we are stuck, but if he holds out for a cheap deal, then he has assets to make a third move down the road. He will not strap us now, unless it was for a Kawhi level player.

[Lilseb93]

Read on Twitter

[DayofMourning]

Both teams win if this trade doesnt go down.

[Kobewade11]

Just give them Justise and fillers. No picks, don’t change any protections.

We aren't "giving" them ****. They can take Dragic's expiring and some undesirables if they really want to get off WB's contract. Take it or leave it

[somerandomdude]

Riley is about that long con... look how long he patiently waited for Butler. He held strong 2010 trade deadline. Even JJ and waiters were suppose to be that long con, they just got fat, lazy, and injured and it back fired as they did not become those nice trade filler assets he was hoping for. They seem to be better assets as soon to be expiring contracts now. None the less, he will not rush this. He will wait it out.. and I am sure he knows that if he gives too much on this deal, we are stuck, but if he holds out for a cheap deal, then he has assets to make a third move down the road. He will not strap us now, unless it was for a Kawhi level player.

Agreed. Riley knows to wait for the right opportunity. He's gotten so many good trades that some people here would start petty fights over because they didn't think it was possible. The guy's built title contenders from pure scraps. If Westbrook can't be had for the right price, then so be it. I've never known Riley to overpay on a trade. Bad contracts? Sure, but not trades.

[DefenseWins]

I forgot where I just read Presti could wait til the deadline, but I can't see OKC waiting til the trade deadline. What if he gets injured? No one will want to trade for him then.

Just so glad our FO said no youngins...

[Flash4thewin]

Riley is about that long con... look how long he patiently waited for Butler. He held strong 2010 trade deadline. Even JJ and waiters were suppose to be that long con, they just got fat, lazy, and injured and it back fired as they did not become those nice trade filler assets he was hoping for. They seem to be better assets as soon to be expiring contracts now. None the less, he will not rush this. He will wait it out.. and I am sure he knows that if he gives too much on this deal, we are stuck, but if he holds out for a cheap deal, then he has assets to make a third move down the road. He will not strap us now, unless it was for a Kawhi level player.

What long con, Wade is the one doing all the recruiting, We need a statue of him just on recruiting alone lol. Unless Wade is friends with Beal we are on the outside looking in. Expiring hold no value unless on takes on a longer contract, thus taking us out of the FA market. Dont say long con to mask the incompetence of those horrible contracts.

[BBallFreak]

Riley is about that long con... look how long he patiently waited for Butler. He held strong 2010 trade deadline. Even JJ and waiters were suppose to be that long con, they just got fat, lazy, and injured and it back fired as they did not become those nice trade filler assets he was hoping for. They seem to be better assets as soon to be expiring contracts now. None the less, he will not rush this. He will wait it out.. and I am sure he knows that if he gives too much on this deal, we are stuck, but if he holds out for a cheap deal, then he has assets to make a third move down the road. He will not strap us now, unless it was for a Kawhi level player.

What long con, Wade is the one doing all the recruiting, We need a statue of him just on recruiting alone lol. Unless Wade is friends with Beal we are on the outside looking in. Expiring hold no value unless on takes on a longer contract, thus taking us out of the FA market. Dont say long con to mask the incompetence of those horrible contracts.

Wow, Riley gets no credit from some people...

[Kobewade11]

Wow, Riley gets no credit from some people...

Wade fanboys will never get over that one summer, even though Dwyane did.

[Lilseb93]

Riley is about that long con... look how long he patiently waited for Butler. He held strong 2010 trade deadline. Even JJ and waiters were suppose to be that long con, they just got fat, lazy, and injured and it back fired as they did not become those nice trade filler assets he was hoping for. They seem to be better assets as soon to be expiring contracts now. None the less, he will not rush this. He will wait it out.. and I am sure he knows that if he gives too much on this deal, we are stuck, but if he holds out for a cheap deal, then he has assets to make a third move down the road. He will not strap us now, unless it was for a Kawhi level player.

What long con, Wade is the one doing all the recruiting, We need a statue of him just on recruiting alone lol. Unless Wade is friends with Beal we are on the outside looking in. Expiring hold no value unless on takes on a longer contract, thus taking us out of the FA market. Dont say long con to mask the incompetence of those horrible contracts.

Riley has been landing star players and making big moves for decades. We wouldn't be as successful as we've been without him. We'd be just another expansion team. We'd be the Magic or the Timberwolves.

[Dr_Heat]

[somerandomdude]

People forget (or weren't around or didn't follow) what the Heat were like before Riley.

[Dadouv47]

[b]So people think we're out of it because of Barry Jackson's singular article? Man, that's hilarious. We are still the overwhelming favorites. [b]This deal was ALWAYS going to be difficult to negotiate & finalize.

& **** Houston for the record.... they get in on everything we do. Jimmy this year, Jimmy last year. Now this. No team wants washed up overrated Chris Paul and that John Wall level contract. I wouldn't take Chris Paul straight up for JJ and Dion.

Pretty much. People acting like it's an easy trade to make. We are dealing with two teams with cap space issue, one team having future picks from the other and that willing to trade a declining superstar with a very bad contract to a team that has only 2,3 assets.

[Lilseb93]

The problem is both teams have leverage. OKC knows Miami needs Westbrook to really compete otherwise we wouldn't bother. Westbrook also isn't forcing their hand and demanding a trade. He'd be fine with staying in Oklahoma. Miami's leverage is that they know OKC wants to rebuild and they can't do that with Westbrook's contract which makes them more desperate to move on. They also seem to be the only serious team bidding for him which seriously helps with the leverage.

OKC is going to want good value for a MVP level player, but the contract is huge and he has red flags. But Miami needs a Westbrook level player to really have a shot. Riley and Presti are both good negotiators.

Hence the stalemate.

[IggieCC]

:o

wut

[Lilseb93]

Twitter isn't working for me. I guess it's down. Watch the Westbrook news break right now.

[BFRESH44]

Riley is about that long con... look how long he patiently waited for Butler. He held strong 2010 trade deadline. Even JJ and waiters were suppose to be that long con, they just got fat, lazy, and injured and it back fired as they did not become those nice trade filler assets he was hoping for. They seem to be better assets as soon to be expiring contracts now. None the less, he will not rush this. He will wait it out.. and I am sure he knows that if he gives too much on this deal, we are stuck, but if he holds out for a cheap deal, then he has assets to make a third move down the road. He will not strap us now, unless it was for a Kawhi level player.

What long con, Wade is the one doing all the recruiting, We need a statue of him just on recruiting alone lol. Unless Wade is friends with Beal we are on the outside looking in. Expiring hold no value unless on takes on a longer contract, thus taking us out of the FA market. Dont say long con to mask the incompetence of those horrible contracts.

You shctick has been very amusing. By the way, who was it that drafted Dwyane Wade?

[MiamiLoyal926]

Riley is about that long con... look how long he patiently waited for Butler. He held strong 2010 trade deadline. Even JJ and waiters were suppose to be that long con, they just got fat, lazy, and injured and it back fired as they did not become those nice trade filler assets he was hoping for. They seem to be better assets as soon to be expiring contracts now. None the less, he will not rush this. He will wait it out.. and I am sure he knows that if he gives too much on this deal, we are stuck, but if he holds out for a cheap deal, then he has assets to make a third move down the road. He will not strap us now, unless it was for a Kawhi level player.

What long con, Wade is the one doing all the recruiting, We need a statue of him just on recruiting alone lol. Unless Wade is friends with Beal we are on the outside looking in. Expiring hold no value unless on takes on a longer contract, thus taking us out of the FA market. Dont say long con to mask the incompetence of those horrible contracts.

Missed the point... doesn’t matter who recruited! Riley did not pull the trigger, called Thibs bluff, and a few months later, still got his guy for probably less than what was originally offered to Thibs. The long con means he will not rush this deal and give up too much. He will wait and see... and 2 expiring contracts are exactly what is needed for fillers in the Beal deal when attached to assets. JJ and Waiters will be perfect fillers for any deal involving a disgruntled player since they are soon to be expiring.

Also, don’t be fooled by my silence on this forum for many years... I have been around and know that most of you celebrated those deals of JJ and Waiters when they happened! Guess RealGM was as incompetent as Riley then!