2019 Heat Offseason thread 4.0- Yimmy and the Kids!

Beenie · Post #1141 » by **Beenie** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:30 am

CP3 w/o giving up any young assets is an interesting proposition.

I'm still holding out hope for a Beal deal so holding onto the youngsters is a must.

Bishop45 · Post #1142 » by **Bishop45** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:30 am

SlowPaced wrote:Bam
Olynyk
Butler
Herro
Winslow

Double oreo sandwich will take us to the promised land

Mispelled Dion, but we'll fix it, hopefully

SoFlaKingReal · Post #1143 » by **SoFlaKingReal** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:30 am

If thats what it was going to take...the Heat made the right call.

Daffy · Post #1144 » by **Daffy** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:31 am

Dr_Heat wrote:
Daffy wrote:
SoFlaKingReal wrote:
What you guys don't get is that a depleted team with just Butler and Westbrook wins nothing PLUS Westbrook takes you out of 2021 free agency.

A team with Westbrook has a chance because he is on the the team.

This team as constructed wins nothing. Leaving 2021 FA without a legit free agent still gets you no where. 2021 isn't a sure thing. People resign with teams, get injured, or straight up signs somewhere else.

Imagine 2021 comes and Jimmy is by himself , Bam and Winslow are not all stars and The Greek Freak says “ I’m staying in Milwaukee “ Oof

Thank you!! This is exactly what they're not factoring.

Bishop45 · Post #1145 » by **Bishop45** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:32 am

You need picks to move CP, so it makes no sense for OKC to move him sans buyout. CP's not the type to burn 125 M's, so we'll see

SlowPaced · Post #1146 » by **SlowPaced** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:32 am

Bishop45 wrote:
SlowPaced wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:
Fax are stil fax, Russ is still overrated and Rok's traded Old, expensive and could shoot, for relatively young, expensive and can't shoot

Hopefully playing in a system and with a top 5 player affects him greatly

Deserved the MVP that year though, imo. Russ was something else that year, an outlier year for him in terms of his outside shot and clutch performances. Advanced metrics all favored him over Harden too.

6th seed, likely doesn't get the award if it isn't for the 'triple double' platitude. Haven't checked the advanced metrics bit, would need link for that

Probably not, but I think it'd be another unfair case of not giving the award to the actual most valuable player. That was one of the worst constructed teams I've ever seen, three non-shooters were starting next to Russ (Adams, Sabonis, Roberson) and the other one was Oladipo who wasn't nearly as good and was an inconsistent shooter back then. Miracle that he made them into an above average offense.

Lilseb93 · Post #1147 » by **Lilseb93** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:32 am

People say Westbrook is a cancer and hurts a team. Then those same people clown Pat and the Heat because they didn't get him. :roll:

Beenie · Post #1148 » by **Beenie** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:32 am

Ira on the radio now speculating on a Mia CP3 deal

SoFlaKingReal · Post #1149 » by **SoFlaKingReal** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:32 am

Daffy wrote:
Dr_Heat wrote:
Daffy wrote:
A team with Westbrook has a chance because he is on the the team.

This team as constructed wins nothing. Leaving 2021 FA without a legit free agent still gets you no where. 2021 isn't a sure thing. People resign with teams, get injured, or straight up signs somewhere else.

Imagine 2021 comes and Jimmy is by himself , Bam and Winslow are not all stars and The Greek Freak says “ I’m staying in Milwaukee “ Oof

Thank you!! This is exactly what they're not factoring.

Paul George and Westbrook becoming available just popped outta nowhere....there will be others

Post #1150 » by **DayofMourning** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:33 am

Good for OKC. They got more picks, which should be pretty good at the time they convey. They will have 3 picks in both the 2024 and 2026 drafts. The Clips and Rox could rebuild quickly by then, but those picks right now look to be pretty high quality.

AirP. · Post #1151 » by **AirP.** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:34 am

Daffy wrote:
Dr_Heat wrote:
Daffy wrote:
A team with Westbrook has a chance because he is on the the team.

This team as constructed wins nothing. Leaving 2021 FA without a legit free agent still gets you no where. 2021 isn't a sure thing. People resign with teams, get injured, or straight up signs somewhere else.

Imagine 2021 comes and Jimmy is by himself , Bam and Winslow are not all stars and The Greek Freak says “ I’m staying in Milwaukee “ Oof

Thank you!! This is exactly what they're not factoring.

What if 2021 comes and Westbrook is no longer athletic enough to impose his will and he doesn't have the Basketball IQ or skillset to still be good while having a couple of years left on the max contract? I could understand trading guys in the middle of the road on bigger contracts, JJ, Waiters, maybe even Dragic, but not the younger guys who still have long term value as trade assets(at the very least).

Daffy · Post #1152 » by **Daffy** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:34 am

People saying oh another star will be disgruntled. Let's say Beal or Giannis becomes disgruntled. You have 2 problems to overcome.

Giving up WAY more and completely depleting the team.

Teams with better proven young talent and draft picks will have better offers.

oreon · Post #1153 » by **oreon** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:35 am

Some of ya'll need to calm down a little. Pat Riley is not gonna sit down for the next 2 years and wait for 2021 FA. There will be other opportunities that come up. Porzingis, Butler, Tobias, Conley, Westbrook, PG13 got traded over the course of one year. Some other allstars will be available in the next 2 years. We don't have to rush to do a bad deal.

Vertical Limit · Post #1154 » by **Vertical Limit** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:35 am

No thanks at any trade involving cp3. I dont want him here even for free.. the guy is as toxic as it gets. Spare me the Wade brotherhood nonsense... i hope OKC trades him to Detroit so he can reunite with a guy he tried to jump..

Enso · Post #1155 » by **Enso** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:35 am

No cp3 no Russ , no problem . We can still go for Giannis in two years

Rafly · Post #1156 » by **Rafly** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:35 am

Bishop45 wrote:You need picks to move CP, so it makes no sense for OKC to move him sans buyout. CP's not the type to burn 125 M's, so we'll see

I think he’ll be a Laker come December.

Enso · Post #1157 » by **Enso** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:36 am

Vertical Limit wrote:No thanks at any trade involving cp3. I dont want him here even for free.. the guy is as toxic as it gets. Spare me the Wade brotherhood nonsense... i hope OKC trades him to Detroit so he can reunite with a guy he tried to jump..

Okc are dumbasses why would you take on that contract ain’t nobody trading for it .

Feel_the_Heat15 · Post #1158 » by **Feel_the_Heat15** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:36 am

Daffy wrote:
Dr_Heat wrote:
Daffy wrote:
A team with Westbrook has a chance because he is on the the team.

This team as constructed wins nothing. Leaving 2021 FA without a legit free agent still gets you no where. 2021 isn't a sure thing. People resign with teams, get injured, or straight up signs somewhere else.

Imagine 2021 comes and Jimmy is by himself , Bam and Winslow are not all stars and The Greek Freak says “ I’m staying in Milwaukee “ Oof

Thank you!! This is exactly what they're not factoring.

The Nets just got Irving and Durant, you guys need to let this "the Heat can't do that" stuff go. The odds of the Heat getting a star in 2021 is more than 25% right now I'd say.

SoFlaKingReal · Post #1159 » by **SoFlaKingReal** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:37 am

Daffy wrote:People saying oh another star will be disgruntled. Let's say Beal or Giannis becomes disgruntled. You have 2 problems to overcome.

Giving up WAY more and completely depleting the team.

Teams with better proven young talent and draft picks will have better offers.

How about a guaranteed Chris Paul then?

Post #1160 » by **Wiltside** » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:38 am

Dr_Heat wrote:
Wiltside wrote:We got the Houston boys, Justise and Jimmy, ready to phuck chit up this season. Have faith guys, we're gonna be a better team this year. We have a star, and we're finally giving the keys to the kingdom to Winslow and Bam, our 2 young guys with the highest ceilings.

Gonna be fun to see how they can elevate their games this year, particularly alongside a star like Butler - who'se gonna have a big year. I'm pumped.

No mention of T-Rex Tyler anywhere in this post , smh. Come ok Wiltz

Expectations too high for Tyler this year Doc. He's gotta earn it - he's a rook whose gonna take his lumps. I don't see him playing more than 18-20mpg tops this season, hopefully showing flashes on the player he can become.