Trade for Chris Paul?

[mattao313]

We improved by only a few games with Blake and lost draft picks and 30+ million in flexibility.

We traded 1 pick for a 25-8-6 player. Flexibility? as in what? Trading for bad contracts? The team hasn't shown any signs of a rebuild so idk where you are going with this flexibly stuff.

Flexibility = opportunities. Opportunities have more value than a couple of wins improvement if you're not a contending team.

I swore I was going to stop explaining this, but here I go again.

You haven't explained anything tho.

[Neptune]

We improved by only a few games with Blake and lost draft picks and 30+ million in flexibility.

We traded 1 pick for a 25-8-6 player. Flexibility? as in what? Trading for bad contracts? The team hasn't shown any signs of a rebuild so idk where you are going with this flexibly stuff.

Flexibility = opportunities. Opportunities have more value than a couple of wins improvement if you're not a contending team.

I swore I was going to stop explaining this, but here I go again.

Nobody's coming here when this team doesn't show any pride in competing.

Look at the Rockets, they have no flexibility but they're always striving to compete. When in the hell are we going to see that in this organization man?

[Snakebites]

We traded 1 pick for a 25-8-6 player. Flexibility? as in what? Trading for bad contracts? The team hasn't shown any signs of a rebuild so idk where you are going with this flexibly stuff.

Flexibility = opportunities. Opportunities have more value than a couple of wins improvement if you're not a contending team.

I swore I was going to stop explaining this, but here I go again.

You haven't explained anything tho.

Flexibility to acquire picks and assets in trades. I really don't see why it's so hard to explain why that's more appealing than trading for a guy making 30+ mill per year for 4 and a half years who gets us 2 extra wins when we're a mediocre team. We went from being just out of the playoffs to being barely in it, and lost not only a pick for it but the flexibility to do any number of things, including acquiring picks via trade, signing other players, and making trades with teams desperate for cap space.

All of those things could help us build towards an actual winner later on, rather than spending all of that on a player who, good as he was, didn't ultimately move the needle for us.

If you're one player away from something potentially special you make those moves, sacrifice that flexibility and those picks to get the right guy. We're not that team yet. So we're better off rolling the dice on picks and accumulating assets.

[DETermination]

No no no no no no, don't even think of trading for cp3.

[zeebneeb]

But the value is what it is for a reason. Doesn't that reason interest you at all?

Why would it? People said Blake griffin is a terrible contract had a great season. The trade would have made the team a legit contender in the East right now, we are in no mans land hoping for a rebuild in 2 years.

We improved by only a few games with Blake and lost draft picks and 30+ million in flexibility.

You known what this post reminds me of?

I play a ton of blackout, a battle royal game. I'm pretty damn good at it, have almost 200 wins under my belt. You know who the worst teammate's are? The ones who cannot stop looting. Acquiring assets with no real outcome on actually winning the game.

This team will never improve unless they make moves, and this point is absolutely 100% impossible to argue.

So let's just get loot, lose again, and start it all over again next year never improving, never actually winning because no one ever goes for it. But hey, we can at least talk about our "prospects" at the 8th to 15th pick!

Yay!

[Snakebites]

Why would it? People said Blake griffin is a terrible contract had a great season. The trade would have made the team a legit contender in the East right now, we are in no mans land hoping for a rebuild in 2 years.

We improved by only a few games with Blake and lost draft picks and 30+ million in flexibility.

You known what this post reminds me of?

I play a ton of blackout, a battle royal game. I'm pretty damn good at it, have almost 200 wins under my belt. You know who the worst teammate's are? The ones who cannot stop looting. Acquiring assets with no real outcome on actually winning the game.

This team will never improve unless they make moves, and this point is absolutely 100% impossible to argue.

So let's just get loot, lose again, and start it all over again next year never improving, never actually winning because no one ever goes for it. But hey, we can at least talk about our "prospects" at the 8th to 15th pick!

Yay!

You're missing something though. We already "went for it" by trading for Blake. It got us 2 wins and another few years where we won't be able to make real changes. Westbrook? Another ill fitting piece who doesn't make us a contender.

You go for it when you have the chips to do so. When you've built a team through shrewd planning and good drafting and need one more piece. We gave up 2 first round picks for Rasheed Wallace in 2004. That was the right move because, through a combination of smart low-key signings and pickups, taking risks (trading for an as yet unproven Rip), and drafting, we actually were only one player away. Even when those picks turned into viable rotation players, no regrets at all. Wouldn't have even been regrets if we'd ALMOST won. You roll the dice. In a league where one team out of 30 wins each year and there are many repeats, there are never any guarantees. That doesn't mean all risks are worth it.

If you make a big play when you don't have great assets and you aren't a very good team yet, all you can get is an overpaid player who doesn't move the needle as far as you need it. And that's not worth it. We're seeing that it's not worth it.

[Manocad]

All of those things could help us build towards an actual winner later on, rather than spending all of that on a player who, good as he was, didn't ultimately move the needle for us.

If you're one player away from something potentially special you make those moves, sacrifice that flexibility and those picks to get the right guy. We're not that team yet. So we're better off rolling the dice on picks and accumulating assets.

Bingo.

As I've said before, it's my contention that there are no moves in this off season that the Pistons could make to create a real championship contender; the rest of the team is just too far away. Outside of Blake this team is absolute garbage. Add Westbrook and what? Become a 45-win team that gets stomped in the second round of the playoffs? Like Westbrook has ever shown that he's the guy that takes a team over the top? Please. Or Chris Paul? Seriously?

Yes, the team would be more entertaining...MAYBE. How entertaining was last year watching Blake kick ass and the rest of the team suck complete ass? But whatever. It is what it is.

[Detstones89]

I will finally after 29 year disown this team if we get Chris Paul...

[Manocad]

Why would it? People said Blake griffin is a terrible contract had a great season. The trade would have made the team a legit contender in the East right now, we are in no mans land hoping for a rebuild in 2 years.

We improved by only a few games with Blake and lost draft picks and 30+ million in flexibility.

You known what this post reminds me of?

I play a ton of blackout, a battle royal game. I'm pretty damn good at it, have almost 200 wins under my belt. You know who the worst teammate's are? The ones who cannot stop looting. Acquiring assets with no real outcome on actually winning the game.

This team will never improve unless they make moves, and this point is absolutely 100% impossible to argue.

So let's just get loot, lose again, and start it all over again next year never improving, never actually winning because no one ever goes for it. But hey, we can at least talk about our "prospects" at the 8th to 15th pick!

Yay!

Tell me exactly when the Pistons "looted." I'll wait.

[Kilo]

Presti set Paul's value at whatever he was asking for Westbrook less two FRP level assets. And that is if you think as highly as he might for Paul.

[Detstones89]

If people didn’t want Westbrook because of his contract a man who averages a triple double and still 4 years younger and a top 10 talent how do you justify trading for the corpse of Chris Paul and his HORRIBLE contract??

[MotownMadness]

Why would it? People said Blake griffin is a terrible contract had a great season. The trade would have made the team a legit contender in the East right now, we are in no mans land hoping for a rebuild in 2 years.

We improved by on[youtube][/youtube]ly a few games with Blake and lost draft picks and 30+ million in flexibility.

You known what this post reminds me of?

I play a ton of blackout, a battle royal game. I'm pretty damn good at it, have almost 200 wins under my belt. You know who the worst teammate's are? The ones who cannot stop looting. Acquiring assets with no real outcome on actually winning the game.

This team will never improve unless they make moves, and this point is absolutely 100% impossible to argue.

So let's just get loot, lose again, and start it all over again next year never improving, never actually winning because no one ever goes for it. But hey, we can at least talk about our "prospects" at the 8th to 15th pick!

Yay!

PS4? I love Blackout

[Snakebites]

If people didn’t want Westbrook because of his contract a man who averages a triple double and still 4 years younger and a top 10 talent how do you justify trading for the corpse of Chris Paul and his HORRIBLE contract??

I don't think anyone who didn't want Westbrook wants Paul.

[Detstones89]

I would expect everyone wouldn’t want Paul lol

[Kilo]

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[zeebneeb]

We improved by only a few games with Blake and lost draft picks and 30+ million in flexibility.

You known what this post reminds me of?

I play a ton of blackout, a battle royal game. I'm pretty damn good at it, have almost 200 wins under my belt. You know who the worst teammate's are? The ones who cannot stop looting. Acquiring assets with no real outcome on actually winning the game.

This team will never improve unless they make moves, and this point is absolutely 100% impossible to argue.

So let's just get loot, lose again, and start it all over again next year never improving, never actually winning because no one ever goes for it. But hey, we can at least talk about our "prospects" at the 8th to 15th pick!

Yay!

Tell me exactly when the Pistons "looted." I'll wait.

Pope, drummond, dinwiddie, johnson, Thomas, brown, kennard, Ellenson, and now the frenchmen. All have done exactly what for the team in terms of winning? Drummond is the only one of note. Drafting is always a crapshoot. Trading for know quantities is always better becuase..they are known quantities!

Now the team has picked up rose, Morris, and snell! Absolutely going to move the needle for next year while we waste having a top 5 PF in Blake Griffin on the team.

AWESOME. IM SO EXCITED. Let's make sure not to trade our picks becuase they have been so awesome.

How did we get Blake again? Did we draft him?

Yup.

[Manocad]

You known what this post reminds me of?

I play a ton of blackout, a battle royal game. I'm pretty damn good at it, have almost 200 wins under my belt. You know who the worst teammate's are? The ones who cannot stop looting. Acquiring assets with no real outcome on actually winning the game.

This team will never improve unless they make moves, and this point is absolutely 100% impossible to argue.

So let's just get loot, lose again, and start it all over again next year never improving, never actually winning because no one ever goes for it. But hey, we can at least talk about our "prospects" at the 8th to 15th pick!

Yay!

Tell me exactly when the Pistons "looted." I'll wait.

Pope, drummond, dinwiddie, johnson, Thomas, brown, kennard, Ellenson, and now the frenchmen. All have done exactly what for the team in terms of winning? Drummond is the only one of note. Drafting is always a crapshoot. Trading for know quantities is always better becuase..they are known quantities!

Now the team has picked up rose, Morris, and snell! Absolutely going to move the needle for next year while we waste having a top 5 PF in Blake Griffin on the team.

AWESOME. IM SO EXCITED. Let's make sure not to trade our picks becuase they have been so awesome.

How did we get Blake again? Did we draft him?

Yup.

So keeping the one draft pick each year is looting? Yeah, that's REALLY piling up the assets, all right.

What did Blake get us? A great individual season.

[Snakebites]

Tell me exactly when the Pistons "looted." I'll wait.

Pope, drummond, dinwiddie, johnson, Thomas, brown, kennard, Ellenson, and now the frenchmen. All have done exactly what for the team in terms of winning? Drummond is the only one of note. Drafting is always a crapshoot. Trading for know quantities is always better becuase..they are known quantities!

Now the team has picked up rose, Morris, and snell! Absolutely going to move the needle for next year while we waste having a top 5 PF in Blake Griffin on the team.

AWESOME. IM SO EXCITED. Let's make sure not to trade our picks becuase they have been so awesome.

How did we get Blake again? Did we draft him?

Yup.

So keeping the one draft pick each year is looting? Yeah, that's REALLY piling up the assets, all right.

What did Blake get us? A great individual season.

He is doing a good job highlighting our teams' abysmal draft record though.

If we're operating under the assumption that we're going to continue drafting that badly, NO strategy is viable to building a contender.

[MotownMadness]

Tell me exactly when the Pistons "looted." I'll wait.

Pope, drummond, dinwiddie, johnson, Thomas, brown, kennard, Ellenson, and now the frenchmen. All have done exactly what for the team in terms of winning? Drummond is the only one of note. Drafting is always a crapshoot. Trading for know quantities is always better becuase..they are known quantities!

Now the team has picked up rose, Morris, and snell! Absolutely going to move the needle for next year while we waste having a top 5 PF in Blake Griffin on the team.

AWESOME. IM SO EXCITED. Let's make sure not to trade our picks becuase they have been so awesome.

How did we get Blake again? Did we draft him?

Yup.

So keeping the one draft pick each year is looting? Yeah, that's REALLY piling up the assets, all right.

What did Blake get us? A great individual season.

Were we picking in the top 3 before Blake got here or something? They are gonna try to compete one way or another and still pick somewhere between 8-15. We still gotta watch the crap though and Blake is about the only thing entertaining about it.

I like Sekou and his ceiling alot more then i do a guy like Coby White for example and Sekou wasnt even picked in the lottery or had to punt a season to make happen.

Lakers go all out lose at the end and hit the lottery. I dont think there is this magical way to getting to whatever it is in 2 years.

[Manocad]

Pope, drummond, dinwiddie, johnson, Thomas, brown, kennard, Ellenson, and now the frenchmen. All have done exactly what for the team in terms of winning? Drummond is the only one of note. Drafting is always a crapshoot. Trading for know quantities is always better becuase..they are known quantities!

Now the team has picked up rose, Morris, and snell! Absolutely going to move the needle for next year while we waste having a top 5 PF in Blake Griffin on the team.

AWESOME. IM SO EXCITED. Let's make sure not to trade our picks becuase they have been so awesome.

How did we get Blake again? Did we draft him?

Yup.

So keeping the one draft pick each year is looting? Yeah, that's REALLY piling up the assets, all right.

What did Blake get us? A great individual season.

He is doing a good job highlighting our teams' abysmal draft record though.

If we're operating under the assumption that we're going to continue drafting that badly, NO strategy is viable to building a contender.

Sure. But like you said, a team can't keep operating under that assumption. And besides, that lousy draft history is easily countered with "and the majority of those picks were NOT made by the current management."