2019 Heat Offseason thread 4.0- Yimmy and the Kids!

[bisco614]

I come in peace...My guess is Miami fans...the thunder already had solid possible CP3 destinations before the finalized the WB trade...

Agreed. I bet they want to get it done fairly quickly, before going through the charade of an introductory press conference, etc...

[batterybro42]

If we get our 2021 and 2023 back we could conceivably package our 2020,2022, 2024, and 2026 draft picks for Beal, and just maybe can get by without giving up Winslow for Beal.

I could see us sending Goran, and JJ to OKC for CP3 and our picks back
Send KO and Dion and 4 future 1sts for Beal

Guards

CP3, Beal, Herro, Winslow, Nunn

Forwards
Butler, KZ, DJJ, Robinson

Bigs

Bam, Leonard

[heat4life]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254850/Thunder-Seeking-Multiple-Young-Assets-From-Heat-For-Russell-Westbrook

Allegedly the asking price was Dragic, Winslow and Herro. If Herro doesnt blow up we will be questioning that move for a while.

I have no idea what the asking price is for Chris Paul, but the upside to that move is how he will make Bam and Herro better with easier shots. Ideally he should help Winslow also. Out of all the players on the market and considering our price range, i guess Paul might not be a bad idea. Sure he might not be healthy in the playoff but will help us get to the playoffs and make our role players better.

I think in the regular season you load manage him big time, which is a lot easier in the east than the west. 20 games a year you start Winslow at point, with Butler running a lot of the offense, and Herro and Nunn getting some backup minutes at point.

That contract though... No more 2021 FA money. He'll be 36 then with another year in his deal.

Also, I would want to load manage Jimmy Butler which would require us to keep our depth. I wouldn't mind Paul at his age, but not at that size of a contract.

[heat4life]

If we get our 2021 and 2023 back we could conceivably package our 2020,2022, 2024, and 2026 draft picks for Beal, and just maybe can get by without giving up Winslow for Beal.

I could see us sending Goran, and JJ to OKC for CP3 and our picks back
Send KO and Dion and 4 future 1sts for Beal

Guards

CP3, Beal, Herro, Winslow, Nunn

Forwards
Butler, KZ, DJJ, Robinson

Bigs

Bam, Leonard

We are not getting our picks back from OKC. If anything, they'll throw Denver's or Houston's which are expected to be low picks.

[twix2500]

I think you need a shooter in that starting lineup. Winslow might be best coming off the bench again.

Paul, Butler, Winslow and Olynyk can shoot. Defenders have to stay on them at the 3 point line so the spacing is fine.

Nobody is thinking of Winslow as a shooter. That's not his shtick. Olynyk has proven to be fairly average so far. Need another shooter.

If they leave him open, can he knock it down? From what I remember he started knocking them down to the point teams had to respect him at the 3 point line and not leave him open. Players started to defend him above the 3 pt line and running around screens instead of under to defend him. Butler and Paul offensive games are versatile enough that, you dont have to have a one dimensional shooter on the court, in which they do have in Olynyk. And you also have a defender who can relieve Butler from having to take on the toughest defender. In all I think Winslow has gotten good enough, to respect him at the three point line. So you gonna have lanes for Paul, Butler and Winslow to penetrate. If Winslow starts to regress as a shooter, then I can see moving him out of the lineup. The Heat do have Robinson who is a big time shooter, just hope he mentally ready.

[batterybro42]

If we get our 2021 and 2023 back we could conceivably package our 2020,2022, 2024, and 2026 draft picks for Beal, and just maybe can get by without giving up Winslow for Beal.

I could see us sending Goran, and JJ to OKC for CP3 and our picks back
Send KO and Dion and 4 future 1sts for Beal

Guards

CP3, Beal, Herro, Winslow, Nunn

Forwards
Butler, KZ, DJJ, Robinson

Bigs

Bam, Leonard

We are not getting our picks back from OKC. If anything, they'll throw Denver's or Houston's which are expected to be low picks.

That's fine I think 4 1sts can do it

[oreon]

If we get our 2021 and 2023 back we could conceivably package our 2020,2022, 2024, and 2026 draft picks for Beal, and just maybe can get by without giving up Winslow for Beal.

I could see us sending Goran, and JJ to OKC for CP3 and our picks back
Send KO and Dion and 4 future 1sts for Beal

Guards

CP3, Beal, Herro, Winslow, Nunn

Forwards
Butler, KZ, DJJ, Robinson

Bigs

Bam, Leonard

We are not getting our picks back from OKC. If anything, they'll throw Denver's or Houston's which are expected to be low picks.

The only reason you do this trade is you are the Heat is to get our picks back for a future trade with Beal. We are literally the only team that is willing to take him. If OKC can't agree to that, you walk away and let them deal with an angry CP3 for 3 years.

[walk with me]

Keep cp3 out of a heat jersey please...

As a former fellow PTP fanboy on ESB, it's nice to see you post again.

As a Heat fan, I'll take CP3 and a draft pick or 2. Paul tossing lobs to Bam and DJJ and, in general, would slide into the Wade elder statesman role on the team isn't the worst thing in the world like how some people are making his potential addition out to be.

WOOW! You just took it alllllllllllll the way back lol

[DayofMourning]

If we get our 2021 and 2023 back we could conceivably package our 2020,2022, 2024, and 2026 draft picks for Beal, and just maybe can get by without giving up Winslow for Beal.

I could see us sending Goran, and JJ to OKC for CP3 and our picks back
Send KO and Dion and 4 future 1sts for Beal

Guards

CP3, Beal, Herro, Winslow, Nunn

Forwards
Butler, KZ, DJJ, Robinson

Bigs

Bam, Leonard

We are not getting our picks back from OKC. If anything, they'll throw Denver's or Houston's which are expected to be low picks.

Id say Houstons picks are better than the Heats in 2021 and 2023. Easy.

[AirP.]

Paul, Butler, Winslow and Olynyk can shoot. Defenders have to stay on them at the 3 point line so the spacing is fine.

Nobody is thinking of Winslow as a shooter. That's not his shtick. Olynyk has proven to be fairly average so far. Need another shooter.

If they leave him open, can he knock it down?

Winslow 2018-2019
Catch and shoot 3s, 41.2%, 3.4 attempts per game.

6+ feet from a defender for 3s, 42.7%, 2.6 attempts, the other "very few" attempts, 27.6% and lower.

Winslow is a good 3pt shooter when wide open, so yeah, that's a very useful skill next to playmakers.
https://stats.nba.com/player/1626159/shots-dash/

For a comparison.
Waiters
catch and shoot... 38.6% on 4.6 per game
6+ feet from a defender for 3s, 37.2% but Dion is a solid 3pt shooter with defenders close to him.

[somerandomdude]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254850/Thunder-Seeking-Multiple-Young-Assets-From-Heat-For-Russell-Westbrook

Allegedly the asking price was Dragic, Winslow and Herro. If Herro doesnt blow up we will be questioning that move for a while.

I have no idea what the asking price is for Chris Paul, but the upside to that move is how he will make Bam and Herro better with easier shots. Ideally he should help Winslow also. Out of all the players on the market and considering our price range, i guess Paul might not be a bad idea. Sure he might not be healthy in the playoff but will help us get to the playoffs and make our role players better.

Here's why we won't question the move:

- There's a huge discrepancy in value between what we offered and what Houston offered.
- Houston just got him for what essentially amounts to 2 draft picks and 1 less year on WB's contract. And even years from now, Morey will keep the Rockets competitive enough where those picks won't make a difference.
- The deal Houston got is the type of deal Miami needed to make because Houston didn't hurt their title chances by making the trade; in fact, they improved their title chances
- With the above in mind, the Heat need guys like Winslow, Herro, and Bam to supplement WB and Butler OR they need them in order to get a 3rd star
- Westbrook and JB alone doesn't make us title contenders. We'd have to hope Bam has a breakout season, but we're not even close to title favorites if that were to happen. But if Riley got the right deal, and used the pieces we kept to get the 3rd star, that would've skyrocketed our shot at a title. He didn't, so we move on.

[fishfuego.]

PG: Chris Paul
SG: Jimmy Butler
SF: Justise Winslow
PF: Kelly Olynyk
Ce: Bam Adebayo

You would have a top defensive backcourt and a top scoring backcourt. As Paul gets older, that give time for Herro to mature and move into the starting lineup, while Winslow moves to the point position permanently. Also gives a chance for Winslow to become a scorer if he truly gonna become one. This will be Winslow and Bam real test on who they are gonna be.

I think you need a shooter in that starting lineup. Winslow might be best coming off the bench again.

Paul, Butler, Winslow and Olynyk can shoot. Defenders have to stay on them at the 3 point line so the spacing is fine.

So now Winslow can shoot lol
Sorry twix but Winslow is a prayer as of today when shooting although his dribble penetration has gotten really good recently, and that to me cancels WB when considering age and contract.

Now if we are looking at a shooter/finisher off the dribble Dragic is better suited.

I don’t care for CP3 due to his contract and age. Dragic has only one more year left. That is an asset.

[AirP.]

I think you need a shooter in that starting lineup. Winslow might be best coming off the bench again.

Paul, Butler, Winslow and Olynyk can shoot. Defenders have to stay on them at the 3 point line so the spacing is fine.

So now Winslow can shoot lol
Sorry twix but Winslow is a prayer as of today when shooting although his dribble penetration has gotten really good recently, and that to me cancels WB when considering age and contract.

Now if we are looking at a shooter/finisher off the dribble Dragic is better suited.

I don’t care for CP3 due to his contract and age. Dragic has only one more year left. That is an asset.

Yes, Winslow is a good 3pt shooter when wide open, not a good 3pt shooter with a defender near him(probably rushes his shot).

[Beenie]

Keep cp3 out of a heat jersey please...

As a former fellow PTP fanboy on ESB, it's nice to see you post again.

As a Heat fan, I'll take CP3 and a draft pick or 2. Paul tossing lobs to Bam and DJJ and, in general, would slide into the Wade elder statesman role on the team isn't the worst thing in the world like how some people are making his potential addition out to be.

WOOW! You just took it alllllllllllll the way back lol

Off topic, who u rolling with Pacquiao or Thurman?

And you wouldn’t be a tad bit interested in seeing Mia’s rendition of lob city?

[Flash4thewin]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254850/Thunder-Seeking-Multiple-Young-Assets-From-Heat-For-Russell-Westbrook

Allegedly the asking price was Dragic, Winslow and Herro. If Herro doesnt blow up we will be questioning that move for a while.

I have no idea what the asking price is for Chris Paul, but the upside to that move is how he will make Bam and Herro better with easier shots. Ideally he should help Winslow also. Out of all the players on the market and considering our price range, i guess Paul might not be a bad idea. Sure he might not be healthy in the playoff but will help us get to the playoffs and make our role players better.

Here's why we won't question the move:

- There's a huge discrepancy in value between what we offered and what Houston offered.
- Houston just got him for what essentially amounts to 2 draft picks and 1 less year on WB's contract. And even years from now, Morey will keep the Rockets competitive enough where those picks won't make a difference.
- The deal Houston got is the type of deal Miami needed to make because Houston didn't hurt their title chances by making the trade; in fact, they improved their title chances
- With the above in mind, the Heat need guys like Winslow, Herro, and Bam to supplement WB and Butler OR they need them in order to get a 3rd star
- Westbrook and JB alone doesn't make us title contenders. We'd have to hope Bam has a breakout season, but we're not even close to title favorites if that were to happen. But if Riley got the right deal, and used the pieces we kept to get the 3rd star, that would've been the right move. He didn't, so we move on.

I think, hope Bam is going to have a break out year.

Would you do Waiter and JJ for Paul? I’m guessing OKC will ask for a first round pick. That would be like mimicking the Houston trade. We would be giving OKC a year less and a pick. We get to keep our young players. I don’t see OKC trading a pick but I could be wrong.

[fishfuego.]

Paul, Butler, Winslow and Olynyk can shoot. Defenders have to stay on them at the 3 point line so the spacing is fine.

So now Winslow can shoot lol
Sorry twix but Winslow is a prayer as of today when shooting although his dribble penetration has gotten really good recently, and that to me cancels WB when considering age and contract.

Now if we are looking at a shooter/finisher off the dribble Dragic is better suited.

I don’t care for CP3 due to his contract and age. Dragic has only one more year left. That is an asset.

Yes, Winslow is a good 3pt shooter when wide open, not a good 3pt shooter with a defender near him(probably rushes his shot).

Yes, and if he (Winslow) can improve his off the dribble shooting we are looking at an all star.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Paul, Butler, Winslow and Olynyk can shoot. Defenders have to stay on them at the 3 point line so the spacing is fine.

So now Winslow can shoot lol
Sorry twix but Winslow is a prayer as of today when shooting although his dribble penetration has gotten really good recently, and that to me cancels WB when considering age and contract.

Now if we are looking at a shooter/finisher off the dribble Dragic is better suited.

I don’t care for CP3 due to his contract and age. Dragic has only one more year left. That is an asset.

Yes, Winslow is a good 3pt shooter when wide open, not a good 3pt shooter with a defender near him(probably rushes his shot).

It's kind of irrelevant whether or not he's making 3s while being guarded or open.

[walk with me]

As a former fellow PTP fanboy on ESB, it's nice to see you post again.

As a Heat fan, I'll take CP3 and a draft pick or 2. Paul tossing lobs to Bam and DJJ and, in general, would slide into the Wade elder statesman role on the team isn't the worst thing in the world like how some people are making his potential addition out to be.

WOOW! You just took it alllllllllllll the way back lol

Off topic, who u rolling with Pacquiao or Thurman?

And you wouldn’t be a tad bit interested in seeing Mia’s rendition of lob city?

I edge Thurman but really have no idea tbh. I don’t really have a pick for this one cause both outcomes make for good fights

Thurman wins = Thurman vs Spence
Pac-Man wins = Mikey vs Pac-Man

Cp too old and injury ridden. It’ll only get worst year after year and his contract is so big. I’d rather roll our dice on younger players and “the future”. The next 3-5 years is set between Milwaukee, philly, clippers, lakers. We won’t be able to crack into that tier in the next 3-5


I’m cool with both of those...

[CWebb2491]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254850/Thunder-Seeking-Multiple-Young-Assets-From-Heat-For-Russell-Westbrook

Allegedly the asking price was Dragic, Winslow and Herro. If Herro doesnt blow up we will be questioning that move for a while.

I have no idea what the asking price is for Chris Paul, but the upside to that move is how he will make Bam and Herro better with easier shots. Ideally he should help Winslow also. Out of all the players on the market and considering our price range, i guess Paul might not be a bad idea. Sure he might not be healthy in the playoff but will help us get to the playoffs and make our role players better.

Here's why we won't question the move:

- There's a huge discrepancy in value between what we offered and what Houston offered.
- Houston just got him for what essentially amounts to 2 draft picks and 1 less year on WB's contract. And even years from now, Morey will keep the Rockets competitive enough where those picks won't make a difference.
- The deal Houston got is the type of deal Miami needed to make because Houston didn't hurt their title chances by making the trade; in fact, they improved their title chances
- With the above in mind, the Heat need guys like Winslow, Herro, and Bam to supplement WB and Butler OR they need them in order to get a 3rd star
- Westbrook and JB alone doesn't make us title contenders. We'd have to hope Bam has a breakout season, but we're not even close to title favorites if that were to happen. But if Riley got the right deal, and used the pieces we kept to get the 3rd star, that would've been the right move. He didn't, so we move on.

I think, hope Bam is going to have a break out year.

Would you do Waiter and JJ for Paul? I’m guessing OKC will ask for a first round pick. That would be like mimicking the Houston trade. We would be giving OKC a year less and a pick. We get to keep our young players. I don’t see OKC trading a pick but I could be wrong.

Over Rileys dead body will he send a pick, on contrary he will DEMAND 2 picks or at least 1 first round pick (the most favorable one) in ANY deals for our expirings for Paul. No assetts for them. Assetts for us to get a star soon.

[fishfuego.]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254850/Thunder-Seeking-Multiple-Young-Assets-From-Heat-For-Russell-Westbrook

Allegedly the asking price was Dragic, Winslow and Herro. If Herro doesnt blow up we will be questioning that move for a while.

I have no idea what the asking price is for Chris Paul, but the upside to that move is how he will make Bam and Herro better with easier shots. Ideally he should help Winslow also. Out of all the players on the market and considering our price range, i guess Paul might not be a bad idea. Sure he might not be healthy in the playoff but will help us get to the playoffs and make our role players better.

Here's why we won't question the move:

- There's a huge discrepancy in value between what we offered and what Houston offered.
- Houston just got him for what essentially amounts to 2 draft picks and 1 less year on WB's contract. And even years from now, Morey will keep the Rockets competitive enough where those picks won't make a difference.
- The deal Houston got is the type of deal Miami needed to make because Houston didn't hurt their title chances by making the trade; in fact, they improved their title chances
- With the above in mind, the Heat need guys like Winslow, Herro, and Bam to supplement WB and Butler OR they need them in order to get a 3rd star
- Westbrook and JB alone doesn't make us title contenders. We'd have to hope Bam has a breakout season, but we're not even close to title favorites if that were to happen. But if Riley got the right deal, and used the pieces we kept to get the 3rd star, that would've been the right move. He didn't, so we move on.

I think, hope Bam is going to have a break out year.

Would you do Waiter and JJ for Paul? I’m guessing OKC will ask for a first round pick. That would be like mimicking the Houston trade. We would be giving OKC a year less and a pick. We get to keep our young players. I don’t see OKC trading a pick but I could be wrong.

I’m old enough lol to know that once you are in your 30s your stamina declines, specially for an NBA pace. Injuries are now frequent and fatigue plays a big factor in performance.

Nothing like being good and young. Only way I get CP3 is if it generates another special talent.