Allegedly the asking price was Dragic, Winslow and Herro. If Herro doesnt blow up we will be questioning that move for a while.
I have no idea what the asking price is for Chris Paul, but the upside to that move is how he will make Bam and Herro better with easier shots. Ideally he should help Winslow also. Out of all the players on the market and considering our price range, i guess Paul might not be a bad idea. Sure he might not be healthy in the playoff but will help us get to the playoffs and make our role players better.
Here's why we won't question the move:
- There's a huge discrepancy in value between what we offered and what Houston offered. - Houston just got him for what essentially amounts to 2 draft picks and 1 less year on WB's contract. And even years from now, Morey will keep the Rockets competitive enough where those picks won't make a difference. - The deal Houston got is the type of deal Miami needed to make because Houston didn't hurt their title chances by making the trade; in fact, they improved their title chances - With the above in mind, the Heat need guys like Winslow, Herro, and Bam to supplement WB and Butler OR they need them in order to get a 3rd star - Westbrook and JB alone doesn't make us title contenders. We'd have to hope Bam has a breakout season, but we're not even close to title favorites if that were to happen. But if Riley got the right deal, and used the pieces we kept to get the 3rd star, that would've been the right move. He didn't, so we move on.
I think, hope Bam is going to have a break out year.
Would you do Waiter and JJ for Paul? I’m guessing OKC will ask for a first round pick. That would be like mimicking the Houston trade. We would be giving OKC a year less and a pick. We get to keep our young players. I don’t see OKC trading a pick but I could be wrong.
Yeah, I'm hoping Bam does, too. He played good towards the end of the season, he's only 21yrs old, and with Whiteside gone, there's a lot more responsibility and minutes to be had.
As far CP3, don't ask me lol. Not only do I think we'd be doing OKC a favor after Presti tried to rob us then gave away WB for nothing, but he's 34yrs old and still has 3 years left on his contract.
BUT, if it weren't for those factors, I'd definitely say yes to CP3 and he'd excel the development of our younger players. But at his age and his contract, I don't think it's meant to be.
And if CP3 goes down with an injury, we're stuck with an albatross contract.
The only way I take Paul is there is an agreement to get Beal verbally and even then we won't have the salaries to match up to Beal and have pieces remaining.
fishfuego. wrote:So now Winslow can shoot lol Sorry twix but Winslow is a prayer as of today when shooting although his dribble penetration has gotten really good recently, and that to me cancels WB when considering age and contract.
Now if we are looking at a shooter/finisher off the dribble Dragic is better suited.
I don’t care for CP3 due to his contract and age. Dragic has only one more year left. That is an asset.
Yes, Winslow is a good 3pt shooter when wide open, not a good 3pt shooter with a defender near him(probably rushes his shot).
It's kind of irrelevant whether or not he's making 3s while being guarded or open.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y4ccsesn This trade witrh picks from OKC to Washington would be ideal for us, ESPECIALLY if we can get paul to negotiate switching his player option to a team one the last year. Or else he can rot in OKC.....
fishfuego. wrote:So now Winslow can shoot lol Sorry twix but Winslow is a prayer as of today when shooting although his dribble penetration has gotten really good recently, and that to me cancels WB when considering age and contract.
Now if we are looking at a shooter/finisher off the dribble Dragic is better suited.
I don’t care for CP3 due to his contract and age. Dragic has only one more year left. That is an asset.
Yes, Winslow is a good 3pt shooter when wide open, not a good 3pt shooter with a defender near him(probably rushes his shot).
Yes, and if he (Winslow) can improve his off the dribble shooting we are looking at an all star.
Well we wasnt talking about in the context of him becoming an All-Star. We were talking about spacing. Can Winslow be on the court with Butler and Paul and provide spacing. In Spo offense which is based off of 4 out and 1 in. Will his defender respect him at the 3 point line or will he cheat off of Winslow and if he does so, can he make his defender pay by knocking down open shots? That is what we are discussing in terms of Winslow being an adequate enough of a shooter. I dont think he has to live and die on the three point line but be functional to keep defenders honest.
somerandomdude wrote:Here's why we won't question the move:
- There's a huge discrepancy in value between what we offered and what Houston offered. - Houston just got him for what essentially amounts to 2 draft picks and 1 less year on WB's contract. And even years from now, Morey will keep the Rockets competitive enough where those picks won't make a difference. - The deal Houston got is the type of deal Miami needed to make because Houston didn't hurt their title chances by making the trade; in fact, they improved their title chances - With the above in mind, the Heat need guys like Winslow, Herro, and Bam to supplement WB and Butler OR they need them in order to get a 3rd star - Westbrook and JB alone doesn't make us title contenders. We'd have to hope Bam has a breakout season, but we're not even close to title favorites if that were to happen. But if Riley got the right deal, and used the pieces we kept to get the 3rd star, that would've been the right move. He didn't, so we move on.
I think, hope Bam is going to have a break out year.
Would you do Waiter and JJ for Paul? I’m guessing OKC will ask for a first round pick. That would be like mimicking the Houston trade. We would be giving OKC a year less and a pick. We get to keep our young players. I don’t see OKC trading a pick but I could be wrong.
Yeah, I'm hoping Bam does, too. He played good towards the end of the season, he's only 21yrs old, and with Whiteside gone, there's a lot more responsibility and minutes to be had.
As far CP3, don't ask me lol. Not only do I think we'd be doing OKC a favor after Presti tried to rob us then gave away WB for nothing, but he's 34yrs old and still has 3 years left on his contract.
BUT, if it weren't for those factors, I'd definitely say yes to CP3 and he'd excel the development of our younger players. But at his age and his contract, I don't think it's meant to be.
And if CP3 goes down with an injury, we're stuck with an albatross contract.
I have no clue if a CP3 trade makes any sense. I dont see OKC trading an asset to get rid of CP3. I do wonder if the 3rd year can worked into a team option but like the JSmith deal where CP3 would get X amount if cut. Maybe 20 mil out of his 40+ mil contract? That still hurts but makes him more attractive. It would be on CP3 to turn down 20mil. 20 mil is cheaper than working on a buy out with OKC is my thinking. No idea if this is even possible.
walk with me wrote: WOOW! You just took it alllllllllllll the way back lol
Off topic, who u rolling with Pacquiao or Thurman?
And you wouldn’t be a tad bit interested in seeing Mia’s rendition of lob city?
I edge Thurman but really have no idea tbh. I don’t really have a pick for this one cause both outcomes make for good fights
Thurman wins = Thurman vs Spence Pac-Man wins = Mikey vs Pac-Man
Cp too old and injury ridden. It’ll only get worst year after year and his contract is so big. I’d rather roll our dice on younger players and “the future”. The next 3-5 years is set between Milwaukee, philly, clippers, lakers. We won’t be able to crack into that tier in the next 3-5
somerandomdude wrote:Here's why we won't question the move:
- There's a huge discrepancy in value between what we offered and what Houston offered. - Houston just got him for what essentially amounts to 2 draft picks and 1 less year on WB's contract. And even years from now, Morey will keep the Rockets competitive enough where those picks won't make a difference. - The deal Houston got is the type of deal Miami needed to make because Houston didn't hurt their title chances by making the trade; in fact, they improved their title chances - With the above in mind, the Heat need guys like Winslow, Herro, and Bam to supplement WB and Butler OR they need them in order to get a 3rd star - Westbrook and JB alone doesn't make us title contenders. We'd have to hope Bam has a breakout season, but we're not even close to title favorites if that were to happen. But if Riley got the right deal, and used the pieces we kept to get the 3rd star, that would've been the right move. He didn't, so we move on.
I think, hope Bam is going to have a break out year.
Would you do Waiter and JJ for Paul? I’m guessing OKC will ask for a first round pick. That would be like mimicking the Houston trade. We would be giving OKC a year less and a pick. We get to keep our young players. I don’t see OKC trading a pick but I could be wrong.
Yeah, I'm hoping Bam does, too. He played good towards the end of the season, he's only 21yrs old, and with Whiteside gone, there's a lot more responsibility and minutes to be had.
As far CP3, don't ask me lol. Not only do I think we'd be doing OKC a favor after Presti tried to rob us then gave away WB for nothing, but he's 34yrs old and still has 3 years left on his contract.
BUT, if it weren't for those factors, I'd definitely say yes to CP3 and he'd excel the development of our younger players. But at his age and his contract, I don't think it's meant to be.
And if CP3 goes down with an injury, we're stuck with an albatross contract.
Well his contract doesnt get in the way of the youngers, except for maybe Bam. Winslow, Herro, Okpala are all under low cost contracts for at least three years. The question will be retaining DJJ, Robinson and Nunn in a year or two.
AirP. wrote:Yes, Winslow is a good 3pt shooter when wide open, not a good 3pt shooter with a defender near him(probably rushes his shot).
Yes, and if he (Winslow) can improve his off the dribble shooting we are looking at an all star.
Well we wasnt talking about in the context of him becoming an All-Star. We were talking about spacing. Can Winslow be on the court with Butler and Paul and provide spacing. In Spo offense which is based off of 4 out and 1 in. Will his defender respect him at the 3 point line or will he cheat off of Winslow and if he does so, can he make his defender pay by knocking down open shots? That is what we are discussing in terms of Winslow being an adequate enough of a shooter. I dont think he has to live and die on the three point line but be functional to keep defenders honest.
Good points. I think a player such as Dragic is better suited in such context. Winslow needs the ball in his hands to be effective.
Beenie wrote: Off topic, who u rolling with Pacquiao or Thurman?
And you wouldn’t be a tad bit interested in seeing Mia’s rendition of lob city?
I edge Thurman but really have no idea tbh. I don’t really have a pick for this one cause both outcomes make for good fights
Thurman wins = Thurman vs Spence Pac-Man wins = Mikey vs Pac-Man
Cp too old and injury ridden. It’ll only get worst year after year and his contract is so big. I’d rather roll our dice on younger players and “the future”. The next 3-5 years is set between Milwaukee, philly, clippers, lakers. We won’t be able to crack into that tier in the next 3-5
I’m cool with both of those...
Thurman over Spence?
Vs not over lol... only person with a chance to beat Errol at 47 is Crawford and that’s a 50-50 fight probably.
CWebb2491 wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y4ccsesn This trade witrh picks from OKC to Washington would be ideal for us, ESPECIALLY if we can get paul to negotiate switching his player option to a team one the last year. Or else he can rot in OKC.....
Think we are 3 million short on the hard cap with that one
I havent looked, but how many playoff teams are spending less than our projected top 7 rotation? Paul - Butler - Winslow - Olynyk - Adebayo - Herro - Okpala
walk with me wrote: WOOW! You just took it alllllllllllll the way back lol
Off topic, who u rolling with Pacquiao or Thurman?
And you wouldn’t be a tad bit interested in seeing Mia’s rendition of lob city?
I edge Thurman but really have no idea tbh. I don’t really have a pick for this one cause both outcomes make for good fights
Thurman wins = Thurman vs Spence Pac-Man wins = Mikey vs Pac-Man
Cp too old and injury ridden. It’ll only get worst year after year and his contract is so big. I’d rather roll our dice on younger players and “the future”. The next 3-5 years is set between Milwaukee, philly, clippers, lakers. We won’t be able to crack into that tier in the next 3-5
I’m cool with both of those...
Few years ago I would have gone Thurman over Pac which is kinda weird considering the passing of time typically would help the younger fighter and hurt the elder. Ironically, it's Thurman who seems to be the more shopworn of the two. The diminishment from Injuries and attrition were apparent against Lopez in his last outing.
fishfuego. wrote:So now Winslow can shoot lol Sorry twix but Winslow is a prayer as of today when shooting although his dribble penetration has gotten really good recently, and that to me cancels WB when considering age and contract.
Now if we are looking at a shooter/finisher off the dribble Dragic is better suited.
I don’t care for CP3 due to his contract and age. Dragic has only one more year left. That is an asset.
Yes, Winslow is a good 3pt shooter when wide open, not a good 3pt shooter with a defender near him(probably rushes his shot).
It's kind of irrelevant whether or not he's making 3s while being guarded or open.
It absolutely is relevant, it can limit what can and can't be done on the court. A shooter like Waiters doesn't really drop all that significantly with a defender close to him vs a guy like Winslow who has to be open, that changes your option on offense on where you place him to stretch out the court. A 3pt shooter may move to a less open spot to manipulate the defense to try to give a playmaker more room to operate in a specific area of the court. Also, a guy who can only shoot 3s well wide open has to be "open" so a defender doesn't have to worry about him as much, the defender can play the angles much better if he's is watching the passing lanes to the limited shooter. All these strengths and weaknesses can greatly alter options in offense and defense.
CWebb2491 wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y4ccsesn This trade witrh picks from OKC to Washington would be ideal for us, ESPECIALLY if we can get paul to negotiate switching his player option to a team one the last year. Or else he can rot in OKC.....
Think we are 3 million short on the hard cap with that one
If we added lets say DJJR or another small contract (Andy is the GOAT at this) that deal puts us in position to be contenders this year while keeping our young players and IF CP3 changes that player option 2021 is still there, WIN WIN
Your takes bro are... nevermind 
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