Should we trade for Paul?

[orthoman]

Here we go again,

Should Orlando try to trade for Chris Paul?

What does Orlando do at the PG if Fultz doesn't produce?

Thanks

[Skin]

Paul for Vuc and Fournier.... oook... will probably result in more wins for us tbh.

[dsg2021]

I legitimately believe with some load management, especially towards the playoffs like Kawhi had in TOR, CP3 is gonna actually bounce back from his first down season and play really big. To the point of being damn near worth his contract.
ORL is mostly capped out for 2 seasons, so why not have CP3 for them?
CP3’s 3rd year is where it hurts ORL’s cap space a bit, but it is also his last, expiring year.
I also believe in an athletically-sapped CP3 as someone who has many years left, especially when you consider how cerebral his game is, his vision for passing and executing a team offense, how tight his handle is, and how well he shoots it. When you factor in that ORL is desperate for some PG play (with D.J.), you give CP3 the exact environment he needs to thrive and maximize his value to a team. He gets to find out how to attack and score in his 30’s age period, and effectively at that.
The cost can be minimal or nothing at all, and the deal still might be there to make for pennies on the dollar.

Don’t let MIA get him and make the division hard! That’s another good minor reason. And like I said, in ORL’s roster you’re really maximizing what the 30’s version of CP3 does, making his 3rd and last year very tradeable! I honestly think we may also look to resign him for a massively lesser salary, as a good starting PG in his mid-30’s for 2-3 more seasons after even. Think about how long PG’s like Nash, Billups, Kidd, and Fisher went for their positives. And even other minor, older PG’s were still thriving with a solid impact like J-Will, AJ, Rafer, Prigioni.

With CP3, I take the bet that we have a good chance at a competitive 2nd round or ECF in one of his 2-3 years, and never say never for something more too. Then I even imagine him finding new ground as an older PG, and still being effective enough as a cheaper ORL starter in a year where we might very seriously go all the way. Think of Kidd’s championship year.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

Just like the Westbrook "should we trade for" thread.... simple answer- NO.

CP3 on the Magic. Let me LOL at that for a second.

[ezzzp]

no.

[MagicFan101]

Westbrook I would have done at the right price.

CP3? There isn’t a right price. No.

[Skin]

Just like the Westbrook "should we trade for" thread.... simple answer- NO.

CP3 on the Magic. Let me LOL at that for a second.

It is funny and it is unrealistic. But the thought process is different from Westbrook.

1) CP3 is one of the best pure PGs to play the game. His ability to take command of the offense and flow of the game is unparalleled compared to Westbrook. All of our young players can benefit from playing with a PG like Paul because they are better off the ball at this stage of their careers.

2) CP3's game is not reliant on athleticism and explosiveness like Westbrook so that is why his game ages more effectively with less risk. No one would bring up the John Wall contact comparison.

3) I'd argue that the development curve would speed up for our young players playing with Paul over watching from the bench behind vets and having to prove it in practice first. Paul would literally demand guys step up.

4) PG is the most important position in the game. If we only have to give up Vuc, Fournier... that'd be great. Why would we have to give up more? Paul's contract is seen as hard to move. Maybe add a pick swap? Sure.

5) This doesn't mean we are writing off Fultz. Fultz can learn a lot and not be rushed. Plus he can play some SG too.

6) This doesn't mean we are taking a step back from trying to win. A Paul lead Magic squad would be a "team you don't want to face in the 1st round" type of team. A lot of speed, length and athleticism that could surprise.

7) Okeke could start at the 2. In a traditional set up, we might want more fluidity from our SG... but in playing off the ball, Okeke could play the role of spacer like Danny Green or Klay Thompson or JJ Redick. You are what you can defend and Okeke can defend 2-4.

PG Paul / Augustin / Fultz
SG Okeke / Ross / Fultz
SF Gordon / Iwundu
PF Isaac / Aminu
C Birch / Bamba

That's fun basketball right there.

[Cammo101]

If the price were cheap, I'd consider taking a leap of faith with Paul. I can see him bouncing back and his style won't have him age off a cliff, because it isn't built solely on athleticism.

[orthoman]

I agree with Skin...

Paul is the court visionary and distributor that the Magic need...he's a different PG than Westbrook.

Paul is like Tony Parker...a playmaker, and his skillset could be effective for many more years.

IMO, the Magic should jump at this opportunity. The young bigs would thrive with his skillset.

[fateis007]

Paul has missed 48 games in the last 2 seasons alone, there is just no way I would trade a current 28 year old allstar on a fair contract that has actually committed to magic -let alone add a pick+player for a guy that has been injured a lot, and past his prime (34 years old). Besides Mo Bamba is not ready to take Vooches spot until he can show anything close to that type of production off the bench.

Hard pass for me, unless we give up picks and a space, then i might bite.

[Skin]

I agree with Skin...

Paul is the court visionary and distributor that the Magic need...he's a different PG than Westbrook.

Paul is like Tony Parker...a playmaker, and his skillset could be effective for many more years.

IMO, the Magic should jump at this opportunity. The young bigs would thrive with his skillset.

At the very least it's s fun open discussion.

WeHam doesn't have the balls for this.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

Just like the Westbrook "should we trade for" thread.... simple answer- NO.

CP3 on the Magic. Let me LOL at that for a second.

It is funny and it is unrealistic. But the thought process is different from Westbrook.

1) CP3 is one of the best pure PGs to play the game. His ability to take command of the offense and flow of the game is unparalleled compared to Westbrook. All of our young players can benefit from playing with a PG like Paul because they are better off the ball at this stage of their careers.

2) CP3's game is not reliant on athleticism and explosiveness like Westbrook so that is why his game ages more effectively with less risk. No one would bring up the John Wall contact comparison.

3) I'd argue that the development curve would speed up for our young players playing with Paul over watching from the bench behind vets and having to prove it in practice first. Paul would literally demand guys step up.

4) PG is the most important position in the game. If we only have to give up Vuc, Fournier... that'd be great. Why would we have to give up more? Paul's contract is seen as hard to move. Maybe add a pick swap? Sure.

5) This doesn't mean we are writing off Fultz. Fultz can learn a lot and not be rushed. Plus he can play some SG too.

6) This doesn't mean we are taking a step back from trying to win. A Paul lead Magic squad would be a "team you don't want to face in the 1st round" type of team. A lot of speed, length and athleticism that could surprise.

7) Okeke could start at the 2. In a traditional set up, we might want more fluidity from our SG... but in playing off the ball, Okeke could play the role of spacer like Danny Green or Klay Thompson or JJ Redick. You are what you can defend and Okeke can defend 2-4.

PG Paul / Augustin / Fultz
SG Okeke / Ross / Fultz
SF Gordon / Iwundu
PF Isaac / Aminu
C Birch / Bamba

That's fun basketball right there.

I wouldn't doubt CP3's leadership on this team. But OKC is going to watch a lot of our draft equity and young assets. If we make a move for CP3 or a big, expensive star, the question we have to ask ourselves- does it elevate us into a title contender? In both Westbrook and CP3s case, the answer is a resounding no.
If Bamba and Fultz reach their potential and become all-stars then totally we make a move like this. But this is too premature to jump into moves like this.

[PrimeThyme]

This one isn’t even close for me. Atleast RW is just entering into his 30’s and even as a somewhat declining player is still very impactful. Paul’s numbers took a nosedive across the board last year and he didn’t even look like the same player on the court.

That’s very concerning considering the injury history he has. That won’t get better as he enters his mid 30’s either. His contract is a poison pill, and I would hate to be the team paying him the max for the next 3 years. Let’s hope somebody like Miami cripples themselves with that contract.

It’s a hard pass for me.

[MagicFan101]

Skin,

Sorry if you answered this already (I didn’t read then entire long post!)

What would you give up for Paul? Clearly his trade value is super low. So what do we offer if we want him?

After this coming season he makes over $40M per the final two years! Not all small market teams want to spend into the luxury. Does this hurt us in keeping Isaac and others?

[OrlandO]

father time is undefeated

[orlando_joe]

please stop...no

[ezzzp]

Just like the Westbrook "should we trade for" thread.... simple answer- NO.

CP3 on the Magic. Let me LOL at that for a second.

It is funny and it is unrealistic. But the thought process is different from Westbrook.

1) CP3 is one of the best pure PGs to play the game. His ability to take command of the offense and flow of the game is unparalleled compared to Westbrook. All of our young players can benefit from playing with a PG like Paul because they are better off the ball at this stage of their careers.

2) CP3's game is not reliant on athleticism and explosiveness like Westbrook so that is why his game ages more effectively with less risk. No one would bring up the John Wall contact comparison.

3) I'd argue that the development curve would speed up for our young players playing with Paul over watching from the bench behind vets and having to prove it in practice first.

4) PG is the most important position in the game. If we only have to give up Vuc, Fournier... that'd be great. Why would we have to give up more? Paul's contract is seen as hard to move. Maybe add a pick swap? Sure.

5) This doesn't mean we are writing off Fultz. Fultz can learn a lot and not be rushed. Plus he can play some SG too.

6) This doesn't mean we are taking a step back from trying to win. A Paul lead Magic squad would be a "team you don't want to face in the 1st round" type of team. A lot of speed, length and athleticism that could surprise.

7) Okeke could start at the 2. In a traditional set up, we might want more fluidity from our SG... but in playing off the ball, Okeke could play the role of spacer like Danny Green or Klay Thompson or JJ Redick. You are what you can defend and Okeke can defend 2-4.

PG Paul / Augustin / Fultz
SG Okeke / Ross / Fultz
SF Gordon / Iwundu
PF Isaac / Aminu
C Birch / Bamba

That's fun basketball right there.

No thanks

1) he'd be distributing to well below average shooters ...if you want highlight dunks, sure, but if you want good team, no

2) CP3 has been injury riddled for his entire career and has missed 1/4 of every season the past 3 years. That's as big a red flag as there is for a player who is now 34 years old

3) Gifting minutes doesn't speed up the development curve. If that player isn't a very mature person (which most young players with $ millions rarely are) all it does is entitle players and teach them how to pad stats.

4) PG is important, that's why you don't do this trade as you tie up 45% of your cap on a guy who hasn't been healthy in 3 years and is 34 years old...and you absolutely don't trade a peak prime All-Star C + a 26 year old quality secondary playmaker for that.

5) CP3 isn't going to be happy in Orlando. All he is going to do is be disgruntled and bring same bad attitude he's had since NOLA when he forced his way out of young team, since LA and Houston when he destroyed both those lockerooms...no thanks, don't want him damaging Fultz and rest of young core

6) Yes it does, CP3 is in rapid decline both in effectiveness and health. That team won't make playoffs this season - all it does is destroy chemistry and culture being built

7) I like Okeke, but he's not starting at the 2...in a couple years he'll work his way into the starting lineup at one of the forward spots if Gordon/Isaac have stifled or been traded.

8) Birch isn't a starting caliber C...he's a nice back up center, that's it

That's not fun basketball, that's bad basketball and very poor asset management

[MoMM]

No way, let Heat trade for him.

[MagicFan101]

If they gave us 2 first unprotected round picks (of which they now own MANY) for a deal built around Evan + DJ, would it be worth it.

[Def Swami]

Hard no