Thunder Offseason Thread

[Andre Roberstan]

I know this is way out of left field but everyone here was wrong about Matisse Thybulle. He is good.

Did people here have strong opinions about him?

Not sure if it was here or r/Thunder but I remember a lot of "Oh no not another Josh Heustis!"

Dom and I liked him. I don't remember who else did

[Rapaz]

I really hope that Sardine is right because I'm starting to dream about what kind of package we can get (not anything crazy but we are talking about an old CP3)

In the meantime Barry Jackson (more followers but is he legit?) says that the Heat isn't aggressively getting after CP3.

Here’s an excerpt from the Barry Jackson article:

A league source told The Miami Herald that the Heat will listen and do due diligence on the matter but that the Heat does not have strong interest and is not aggressively pursuing a trade for Paul at this time.

Miami would need to be absolutely overwhelmed to consider taking on the final three years and $124 million of Paul’s contract, considering the veteran point guard’s age (34) and lack of durability.

Paul has missed 21, 24 and 24 games the past three seasons, and as ESPN’s Dan Le Batard noted, the Heat entered the offseason hesitant to commit big money to aging stars.

For Miami to consider this, OKC would need not only to take back only unappealing contracts but would need to offer other significant concessions. One could be the Thunder returning Miami’s 2021 and 2023 first-round picks -- selections that OKC acquired from the Clippers in last week’s Paul George trade. But there’s no indication that OKC would consider that because they have made obtaining first-round picks a priority in its rebuilding plan.

OKC “will try to find a way to get a deal done with the Heat,” ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski reported Friday morning. “Miami is the focus right now. [OKC] would like to try to get that deal done as soon as they can. Miami is at the top of the list. I was told other teams too that will be discussed… The market for Chris Paul is going to be small. Their hope is he doesn’t play one game in a Thunder uniform.”

The Heat and Thunder could not agree to terms on a trade for eight-time All-Star Russell Westbrook because of multiple reasons, including the Heat’s refusal to trade Tyler Herro or two among Herro, Bam Adebayo and Justise Winslow, according to league sources.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article232568002.html#storylink=cpy

[Andre Roberstan]

I know it was a joke account, but I've seen posters on the general board suggesting Miami lift protections and add another pick, along with Winslow. That's just not happening.


Don't we all do that?

Sure, but we don't all go on other team's boards, look at a joke post, and go 'psh, I wouldn't even trade my trash for your player.' when our front office clearly has interest.

DJJ is NOT trash, and forgive me for coming to your board. I was hoping to engage in actual discussion with people who didn't think Miami should be getting your entire stockpile of first rounders, as well as your first born children, in exchange for taking Paul. I won't make that mistake again. Peace out.

Haven't been around much, but you're definitely welcome to come by.

Honestly, as far as my opinion goes: I don't think CP3 goes to the Heat because the team that tends to be "in the lead" for trade discussions in media for the Thunder doesn't usually wind up being the team in the trade. Not sure Pat Riley gives up value and the Thunder seem bound and determined to squeeze every drop of value out of every player on the roster.

[jake_swivel]

Couple of questions :
1. From the picks we got from Houston, if one is top 4, does he become unprotected the year after that?
2. If we need to give up a pick, could we send the 2022 protected pick that may go to the Hawks?
3. If we need to send a firt pick, which would be the best one to send? (for us) 2022 clippers pick?

1. I don’t think that’s known yet (correct me if I’m wrong)

2. No

3. Denver’s pick this year is guaranteed to be early/mid twenties. Then I’d say the first clippers pick. Then the first Miami pick.

Thought about the Denver pick but it would be nice to draft several young players next year. Don't want to wait 2026. Clippers 2022 pick would make the most sense to me.

Gonna have Shai, Ferguson, Diallo, and bazely on the roster. Pretty young squad. Even if the Denver pick is kept for now, I’d be surprised if it wasn’t added to some other package later. Too much youth at once gets real squirrely.

[Old Man Game]

Does he have a legitimate source within the team?

How would we know if he did beyond his word and why would it be any better than his word on Twitter?

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A consistent track record of being able to confirm/break reports on that board would point to him having some type of source. I have no previous knowledge of the poster or his Twitter account, or the time or inclination to dig through his history, so I'll asking someone familiar with him.

If you go to his Twitter thread its mostly palace intrigue stuff. Saying 'the pistons are interested or Russ respects Dwayne Casey', doesn't really do anything to bolster his credibility since the pistons didn't get Westbrook so we don't know if they were ever interested in the first place.

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[Dadouv47]

Sure, but we don't all go on other team's boards, look at a joke post, and go 'psh, I wouldn't even trade my trash for your player.' when our front office clearly has interest.

DJJ is NOT trash, and forgive me for coming to your board. I was hoping to engage in actual discussion with people who didn't think Miami should be getting your entire stockpile of first rounders, as well as your first born children, in exchange for taking Paul. I won't make that mistake again. Peace out.

Haven't been around much, but you're definitely welcome to come by.

Honestly, as far as my opinion goes: I don't think CP3 goes to the Heat because the team that tends to be "in the lead" for trade discussions in media for the Thunder doesn't usually wind up being the team in the trade. Not sure Pat Riley gives up value and the Thunder seem bound and determined to squeeze every drop of value out of every player on the roster.

Do you think we can get some positive value by trading CP3?

I mean...even getting a 2nd pick for CP3 would be crazy good

[Dadouv47]

Sardine was wrong in 90+% of his tweets lol

He was right about Jimmy Butler/Josh Richardson though

[Dadouv47]

1. I don’t think that’s known yet (correct me if I’m wrong)

2. No

3. Denver’s pick this year is guaranteed to be early/mid twenties. Then I’d say the first clippers pick. Then the first Miami pick.

Thought about the Denver pick but it would be nice to draft several young players next year. Don't want to wait 2026. Clippers 2022 pick would make the most sense to me.

Gonna have Shai, Ferguson, Diallo, and bazely on the roster. Pretty young squad. Even if the Denver pick is kept for now, I’d be surprised if it wasn’t added to some other package later. Too much youth at once gets real squirrely.

I like Diallo but right now he can't shoot. Bazley is a long shot. Agree with Thunderbolt that it can be a pivotal year for Ferguson (but I'm not really high on him). I'm just very excited about Shai.

[ThunderBolt]

Did people here have strong opinions about him?

Not sure if it was here or r/Thunder but I remember a lot of "Oh no not another Josh Heustis!"

Dom and I liked him. I don't remember who else did

I liked him but thought he was a reach at 21. Guess I was wrong.

[Andre Roberstan]

DJJ is NOT trash, and forgive me for coming to your board. I was hoping to engage in actual discussion with people who didn't think Miami should be getting your entire stockpile of first rounders, as well as your first born children, in exchange for taking Paul. I won't make that mistake again. Peace out.

Haven't been around much, but you're definitely welcome to come by.

Honestly, as far as my opinion goes: I don't think CP3 goes to the Heat because the team that tends to be "in the lead" for trade discussions in media for the Thunder doesn't usually wind up being the team in the trade. Not sure Pat Riley gives up value and the Thunder seem bound and determined to squeeze every drop of value out of every player on the roster.

Do you think we can get some positive value by trading CP3?

I mean...even getting a 2nd pick for CP3 would be crazy good

I''m not ruling anything out at this point after Sam extracted two picks and two pick swaps from Daryl Freakin Morey.

[Dadouv47]

Meanwhile Heat fans asking for their two first round picks to take on CP3's contract.

I still wonder if Presti didn't commit a big mistake by making the Westbrook trade ASAP instead of waiting a 3 team deal.

So far he has done a great job but...I don't know about this.

[Dadouv47]

Haven't been around much, but you're definitely welcome to come by.

Honestly, as far as my opinion goes: I don't think CP3 goes to the Heat because the team that tends to be "in the lead" for trade discussions in media for the Thunder doesn't usually wind up being the team in the trade. Not sure Pat Riley gives up value and the Thunder seem bound and determined to squeeze every drop of value out of every player on the roster.

Do you think we can get some positive value by trading CP3?

I mean...even getting a 2nd pick for CP3 would be crazy good

I''m not ruling anything out at this point after Sam extracted two picks and two pick swaps from Daryl Freakin Morey.

Yeah but WB > CP3 by a wild margin (as players, age and contract)

[ThunderBolt]

Meanwhile Heat fans asking for their two first round picks to take on CP3's contract.

I still wonder if Presti didn't commit a big mistake by making the Westbrook trade ASAP instead of waiting a 3 team deal.

So far he has done a great job but...I don't know about this.

The Westbrook trade had a sense of urgency behind it. The CP3 trade feels like it could drag on a while.

[slick_watts]

Haven't been around much, but you're definitely welcome to come by.

Honestly, as far as my opinion goes: I don't think CP3 goes to the Heat because the team that tends to be "in the lead" for trade discussions in media for the Thunder doesn't usually wind up being the team in the trade. Not sure Pat Riley gives up value and the Thunder seem bound and determined to squeeze every drop of value out of every player on the roster.

Do you think we can get some positive value by trading CP3?

I mean...even getting a 2nd pick for CP3 would be crazy good

I''m not ruling anything out at this point after Sam extracted two picks and two pick swaps from Daryl Freakin Morey.

*from tilman fertitta.

[Balkman32]

Meanwhile Heat fans asking for their two first round picks to take on CP3's contract.

I still wonder if Presti didn't commit a big mistake by making the Westbrook trade ASAP instead of waiting a 3 team deal.

So far he has done a great job but...I don't know about this.

My thing here is that we aren’t going to be good. So who cares if CP3 is making $38 m. There will be a desperate team/ GM that will trade for him. Just play the long game.

[spearsy23]

I'm cool keeping Paul for a while. He's still CP3, even if it's not THAT CP3. Kinda like having melo here for a season.

[spearsy23]

Do you think we can get some positive value by trading CP3?

I mean...even getting a 2nd pick for CP3 would be crazy good

I''m not ruling anything out at this point after Sam extracted two picks and two pick swaps from Daryl Freakin Morey.

*from tilman fertitta.

This is why you shouldn't meet your heroes.

[jake_swivel]

Thought about the Denver pick but it would be nice to draft several young players next year. Don't want to wait 2026. Clippers 2022 pick would make the most sense to me.

Gonna have Shai, Ferguson, Diallo, and bazely on the roster. Pretty young squad. Even if the Denver pick is kept for now, I’d be surprised if it wasn’t added to some other package later. Too much youth at once gets real squirrely.

I like Diallo but right now he can't shoot. Bazley is a long shot. Agree with Thunderbolt that it can be a pivotal year for Ferguson (but I'm not really high on him). I'm just very excited about Shai.

I agree on all those points. But if they are all on the roster along with the thunder’s own pick and the Denver pick, you have at least 6 dudes that are 23 or younger.

That’s a lot of dudes trying to learn how to be NBA players at once, even if 4 of them aren’t high level prospects. And then you factor in the upcoming picks and the roster tilts even more young. Gotta have vets around whose purpose is just to enforce good habits without actually helping to win too many games. Character dudes like Shaun Livingston.

Feels like they are gonna be packaged or used on euro stashes which seem to happen less increasingly, probably due to euros staying over until they can sign bigger contracts which decreases their value as first round picks.

[jake_swivel]

Not sure if it was here or r/Thunder but I remember a lot of "Oh no not another Josh Heustis!"

Dom and I liked him. I don't remember who else did

I liked him but thought he was a reach at 21. Guess I was wrong.

It’s summer league. Marco bellinelli looked like the second coming of drazen petrovich, so thybault could certainly still suck.

[Dadouv47]

I'm also fine with keeping CP3 if we need to. Just a bit scared because he always caused locker room issues and I want us to develop Shai the best we can.

(CP3/Shai/Schroeder that's some depth from the PG position, even if I hate 2 of them)