Thunder Offseason Thread

[Old Man Game]

In a situation like this CP3 scenario, you've got a player who doesn't want to be here, you've got an organization that doesn't want him here, I wonder how much the player's agent can or is able to assist in finding a suitor. I mean it's all well and good for CP3 to make clear to Presti that he wants to be traded somewhere else but they can't expect him to just empty all his cache of draft picks to make that a reality. At the most basic level if Presti can't find anything realistic in terms of suitors I feel like that's sort of up to player and agent to be willing to either accept as a reality or formulate some sort of alternative for the team.

[retrobro90]

Here's a weird long-shot idea I'm sure someone with more cap savvy than I have will shut down pretty immediately:

Didn't Jamal Murray just sign a big extension with Denver? Whats the time table for him to be trade eligible? His new deal hasn't kicked in right? What about a trade surrounding Millsap and Murray for CP3 and part of our mountain of picks? Murray would be an awesome backcourt fit next to SGA. Paul has a pedigree that Jamal doesn't and would probably be better for Denver's incumbent playoff run. Could even deal their own first back to them.

[Old Man Game]

Here's a weird long-shot idea I'm sure someone with more cap savvy than I have will shut down pretty immediately:

Didn't Jamal Murray just sign a big extension with Denver? Whats the time table for him to be trade eligible? His new deal hasn't kicked in right? What about a trade surrounding Millsap and Murray for CP3 and part of our mountain of picks? Murray would be an awesome backcourt fit next to SGA. Paul has a pedigree that Jamal doesn't and would probably be better for Denver's incumbent playoff run. Could even deal their own first back to them.

Think Paul's way too old and Murray's way too young and too good for this to be the least bit persuasive to Denver, picks or not.

[Osirus89]

Presti should just hang on to the top 5 PG until a team decides they want to win or OKC will make one last playoff run. Think about how funny it would be if OKC makes the playoffs with CP3 and Houston misses them with Russ.

Yes, CP3 was still top 5 last year despite his shooting drop off. Houston is going to be terrible next year. http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/position/1 You will find CP3 at #4.

This take right here. This one might be your magnum opus. You've outdone yourself this time.

You do remember that Jerami is in Denver now right? Andre will be back, but a worse player and still can't shoot. Adams is going to be useless on a team without a wing like PG for spacing or Russ for driving lane gravity.

Not to mention the fact that is they keep Chris Paul, they will have SGA, CP3, and Dennis Schroeder. Is CP3 going to become Raymond Felton with a max contract that gets rolled out in three PG lineups? If they even attempt that strategy, SGA will demand a trade by the end of the year.

[Pillendreher]

How will losing Russ impact Ferg btw? Probably highly dependent upon how effective SGA is setting him up but I'm curious.

I feel for the kid. Gets drafted by his hometown team, is surrounded by legends and now it's him and Adams. Crazy.

[Dadouv47]

so Durant, Paul George and Westbrook didn't like Donovan. Good job Presti.

People blaming the Harden trade but the biggest mistake during all these years was the coaching staff.

[Pillendreher]

so Durant, Paul George and Westbrook didn't like Donovan. Good job Presti.

I didn't like him either, thank you for noticing.

[thor19]

so Durant, Paul George and Westbrook didn't like Donovan. Good job Presti.

People blaming the Harden trade but the biggest mistake during all these years was the coaching staff.

Thats another problem, the coaching staff, does Donovan want out of this team now that he dont have a superstar and his win record will take a hit

[Dadouv47]

so Durant, Paul George and Westbrook didn't like Donovan. Good job Presti.

People blaming the Harden trade but the biggest mistake during all these years was the coaching staff.

Thats another problem, the coaching staff, does Donovan want out of this team now that he dont have a superstar and his win record will take a hit

I'm really not concerned from what Donovan wants; He should thank god (or his buddy Sam) that he's an NBA coach

[Old Man Game]

so Durant, Paul George and Westbrook didn't like Donovan. Good job Presti.

People blaming the Harden trade but the biggest mistake during all these years was the coaching staff.

Where'd you see this?

[hardenASG13]

Presti should just hang on to the top 5 PG until a team decides they want to win or OKC will make one last playoff run. Think about how funny it would be if OKC makes the playoffs with CP3 and Houston misses them with Russ.

Yes, CP3 was still top 5 last year despite his shooting drop off. Houston is going to be terrible next year. http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/position/1 You will find CP3 at #4.

Paul was eleventh in wins added. Stop.

Didn't you learn your lesson when you said jae Crowder was better than Paul George when okc acquired him because he had a better rpm the year before? Do you watch any NBA at all or just look at lists and numbers? Chris Paul isn't a top 5 PG and has demanded a trade on every team he's been on. Disappears in every big moment, one of the biggest **** teammates in the league. OKC should take any short term deals they can get for him, aren't they trying to rebuild?

[Dadouv47]

so Durant, Paul George and Westbrook didn't like Donovan. Good job Presti.

People blaming the Harden trade but the biggest mistake during all these years was the coaching staff.

Where'd you see this?

Can't be sure about this but neither PG13 & Westbrook said anything about Billy in their goodbye posts.

[Old Man Game]

so Durant, Paul George and Westbrook didn't like Donovan. Good job Presti.

People blaming the Harden trade but the biggest mistake during all these years was the coaching staff.

Where'd you see this?

Can't be sure about this but neither PG13 & Westbrook said anything about Billy in their goodbye posts.

Oh. Russ did thank his "coaches" generically but not BillDoh by name. I wouldn't thank him either if I were those guys. Pretty obvious they carried him and that his input was of only marginal usefulness.

[Old Man Game]

so Durant, Paul George and Westbrook didn't like Donovan. Good job Presti.

People blaming the Harden trade but the biggest mistake during all these years was the coaching staff.

Thats another problem, the coaching staff, does Donovan want out of this team now that he dont have a superstar and his win record will take a hit

Maybe he'll actually be better at this now that he's not expected to win much.

[jake_swivel]

How will losing Russ impact Ferg btw? Probably highly dependent upon how effective SGA is setting him up but I'm curious.

I feel for the kid. Gets drafted by his hometown team, is surrounded by legends and now it's him and Adams. Crazy.

It's a huge opportunity for him to increase his role for salary negotiations when his contract is up.

[Balkman32]

I don’t see a reason for the Thunder to attach a draft asset to CP3. The Thunder can keep his contract on the books and have no issue with it. If no one wants him now, wait till December 15. It only takes one GM to take his contract. I bet 5-10 GM’s won’t be with their team to see out the CP3 contract anyway.

CP3 sells jerseys, tickets and gives his teammates easy buckets. Yes he can be a pain sometimes but he is still a quality NBA player.

If a trade does not happen by Monday there might be a little waiting period until this goes down.

Hopefully they can find another team to send CP3 to other than Miami because they seem to be pretty stubborn about these older PG’s. Then we can send them Schröder.

[Dadouv47]

I don’t see a reason for the Thunder to attach a draft asset to CP3. The Thunder can keep his contract on the books and have no issue with it. If no one wants him now, wait till December 15. It only takes one GM to take his contract. I bet 5-10 GM’s won’t be with their team to see out the CP3 contract anyway.

CP3 sells jerseys, tickets and gives his teammates easy buckets. Yes he can be a pain sometimes but he is still a quality NBA player.

If a trade does not happen by Monday there might be a little waiting period until this goes down.

Hopefully they can find another team to send CP3 to other than Miami because they seem to be pretty stubborn about these older PG’s. Then we can send them Schröder.

I don't think he sells that much jerseys anymore but I prefer to give 40 millions/year while chilling at home than trading a first round pick to get rid of him.

[Dadouv47]

so if we want to accelerate just a bit the process of a rebuild, surround SGA with another good young prospect and take the opportunity of bringing another young talented guy from a team that want to compete, who could we target? I'm mostly talking about players that are in the league for 1 or 2 years max (not going to be easy to target high drafted rookies right now)
I wouldn't give that much assets for him but I like Jonathan Isaac a lot. Also love Herro but Miami doesn't want to trade him.
Guess a guy like Musa would be way too expensive (Brooklyn probably wouldn't want to trade him at all)

[slick_watts]

I don’t see a reason for the Thunder to attach a draft asset to CP3. The Thunder can keep his contract on the books and have no issue with it. If no one wants him now, wait till December 15. It only takes one GM to take his contract. I bet 5-10 GM’s won’t be with their team to see out the CP3 contract anyway.

CP3 sells jerseys, tickets and gives his teammates easy buckets. Yes he can be a pain sometimes but he is still a quality NBA player.

If a trade does not happen by Monday there might be a little waiting period until this goes down.

Hopefully they can find another team to send CP3 to other than Miami because they seem to be pretty stubborn about these older PG’s. Then we can send them Schröder.

I don't think he sells that much jerseys anymore but I prefer to give 40 millions/year while chilling at home than trading a first round pick to get rid of him.

trading 1-2 picks to get out of cp3's contract would be fine. it's ultimately the price the thunder are paying for not rebuilding right after kevin durant left and, as royce put it, kicking the can down the road for a few more seasons. they'll still have plenty of assets and a clean cap sheet beyond 2020-21 most likely so it won't hurt the rebuild much at all. cp3 isn't going to be on the roster sitting at home twiddling his thumbs at 34 years old and wanting to be on a contender. that's not how sam presti operates. it was quickly reported after the trade that presti was meeting with leon rose to discuss options, and assuming cp3 doesn't want to play for the thunder-- he won't play for the thunder. just like melo and westbrook.

[jake_swivel]

I don’t see a reason for the Thunder to attach a draft asset to CP3. The Thunder can keep his contract on the books and have no issue with it. If no one wants him now, wait till December 15. It only takes one GM to take his contract. I bet 5-10 GM’s won’t be with their team to see out the CP3 contract anyway.

CP3 sells jerseys, tickets and gives his teammates easy buckets. Yes he can be a pain sometimes but he is still a quality NBA player.

If a trade does not happen by Monday there might be a little waiting period until this goes down.

Hopefully they can find another team to send CP3 to other than Miami because they seem to be pretty stubborn about these older PG’s. Then we can send them Schröder.

The value of a mid to late 20s pick in the upcoming draft (denver's pick) seems less to me than the value of increasing the value of the Thunder's own first (via losing more games), the value of creating a clear role for Shai (who, so far, is the asset with the highest value in either trade), and the value of creating a locker room without distractions (which, given the age of the roster, could be combustible).