ColorWerx wrote:Pacers.com roster has Goga going with #88...which is...different.
https://www.nba.com/pacers/roster
why in the world would he choose something like that?
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ColorWerx wrote:Pacers.com roster has Goga going with #88...which is...different.
https://www.nba.com/pacers/roster
Grang33r wrote:ColorWerx wrote:Pacers.com roster has Goga going with #88...which is...different.
https://www.nba.com/pacers/roster
why in the world would he choose something like that?
Nuntius wrote:Grang33r wrote:ColorWerx wrote:Pacers.com roster has Goga going with #88...which is...different.
https://www.nba.com/pacers/roster
why in the world would he choose something like that?
Two same numbers are fun. They make for some great synergy. When I create a player in 2k, I often give them numbers like that. #55 is my go-to (to honor Roy) but #77 and #33 are often in play.
Grang33r wrote:Nuntius wrote:Grang33r wrote:why in the world would he choose something like that?
Two same numbers are fun. They make for some great synergy. When I create a player in 2k, I often give them numbers like that. #55 is my go-to (to honor Roy) but #77 and #33 are often in play.
As a hockey fan, i love it when players choose high numbers. In basketball, i prefer small numbers. I don't know why, i can't explain it. haha
Grang33r wrote:Either way, as long as he produces i don't care what number he wears to be honest.
Grang33r wrote:Quick research shows only he's the 6th player in history to wear 88. Batum, Eyenga, Shved, Bjelica and Walker are the others.
reflex35 wrote:Myles is under a contract. Right now Pacers can't offer Domas the same contract as they did to Myles as they will be in luxury tax territory. And if you're fair Domas and Myles contracts should be more or less the same.
reflex35 wrote:So the writing is on a wall. Domas will be traded. They will try in the beginning of the season to put Sabonis at 4. That won't work as he is a natural 5, and Domas will probably won't be a Pacer in a year.
Especially if Goga proves to be a good player he is.
winter_mute_13 wrote:reflex35 wrote:Myles is under a contract. Right now Pacers can't offer Domas the same contract as they did to Myles as they will be in luxury tax territory. And if you're fair Domas and Myles contracts should be more or less the same.
Not true at all. Pacers can give Domas a max contract and not be in luxury tax.
In fact, I expect Domas to get a larger contract than Myles due to market conditions. In retrospect, Myles signed a bargain deal.reflex35 wrote:So the writing is on a wall. Domas will be traded. They will try in the beginning of the season to put Sabonis at 4. That won't work as he is a natural 5, and Domas will probably won't be a Pacer in a year.
Especially if Goga proves to be a good player he is.
We'll see. Not too long ago Domas would be described as a natural 4 in the NBA. What was old is new again.
Btw, if you think the Pacers have a big man logjam, what do you think of the Sixers paying Embiid, Horford, and Harris massive amounts of money each? That's 2 centers and a PF by my reckoning.
winter_mute_13 wrote:reflex35 wrote:So the writing is on a wall. Domas will be traded. They will try in the beginning of the season to put Sabonis at 4. That won't work as he is a natural 5, and Domas will probably won't be a Pacer in a year.
We'll see. Not too long ago Domas would be described as a natural 4 in the NBA. What was old is new again.
boomershadow wrote:winter_mute_13 wrote:reflex35 wrote:So the writing is on a wall. Domas will be traded. They will try in the beginning of the season to put Sabonis at 4. That won't work as he is a natural 5, and Domas will probably won't be a Pacer in a year.
We'll see. Not too long ago Domas would be described as a natural 4 in the NBA. What was old is new again.
I do think he's a natural 4. We've been seeing bigger 4s in the league play a lot of 5 the last few years in this wave of small ball, but that trend might start to slide back some as bigger guys work on their playmaking, shooting, and perimeter defense. IMHO Sabonis only worked as a 5 because he was playing against backups. Against other guys who'll be play the 4 this year, like Horford, Griffin, Davis, I think Sabonis will be just fine.
Idk if he'll ever be the defensive stopper that Young was, but I don't think he's an above average defender at either position.
reflex35 wrote:boomershadow wrote:winter_mute_13 wrote:
We'll see. Not too long ago Domas would be described as a natural 4 in the NBA. What was old is new again.
I do think he's a natural 4. We've been seeing bigger 4s in the league play a lot of 5 the last few years in this wave of small ball, but that trend might start to slide back some as bigger guys work on their playmaking, shooting, and perimeter defense. IMHO Sabonis only worked as a 5 because he was playing against backups. Against other guys who'll be play the 4 this year, like Horford, Griffin, Davis, I think Sabonis will be just fine.
Idk if he'll ever be the defensive stopper that Young was, but I don't think he's an above average defender at either position.
I think our opinions are close and we just reach different conclusions based on the same facts.
As you I think Domas, can't defend elite offensive bigs - does not matter if they are 4 or 5. And as you mentioned he was playing against backups mainly so we can't really judge.
So here is the thinking:
1. What do we have now more in the NBA - elite offensive power forwards or centres? Who scares anybody except of Embid at 5 as all other elite offensive guys are 4s?
2. If we agree that there are a lot better 4s than 5s and if we agree that Sabas strength is not defence but offence why then we cannot agree that he should be at 5 and not at 4? As Myles is a better defender and he can defend those elite power forwards better?
3. The same goes for offence? Who is better at close range: Myles or Domas? Domas is better and there is no question about that and Myles even likes to play a bit further from the rim on offence. In that case again - Domas should be playing 5.
All in all Pacers can try Domas and Myles together. The only thing is that Domas should be a center and Myles a power forward - both offensively and defensively.
Scoot McGroot wrote:reflex35 wrote:boomershadow wrote:
I do think he's a natural 4. We've been seeing bigger 4s in the league play a lot of 5 the last few years in this wave of small ball, but that trend might start to slide back some as bigger guys work on their playmaking, shooting, and perimeter defense. IMHO Sabonis only worked as a 5 because he was playing against backups. Against other guys who'll be play the 4 this year, like Horford, Griffin, Davis, I think Sabonis will be just fine.
Idk if he'll ever be the defensive stopper that Young was, but I don't think he's an above average defender at either position.
I think our opinions are close and we just reach different conclusions based on the same facts.
As you I think Domas, can't defend elite offensive bigs - does not matter if they are 4 or 5. And as you mentioned he was playing against backups mainly so we can't really judge.
So here is the thinking:
1. What do we have now more in the NBA - elite offensive power forwards or centres? Who scares anybody except of Embid at 5 as all other elite offensive guys are 4s?
2. If we agree that there are a lot better 4s than 5s and if we agree that Sabas strength is not defence but offence why then we cannot agree that he should be at 5 and not at 4? As Myles is a better defender and he can defend those elite power forwards better?
3. The same goes for offence? Who is better at close range: Myles or Domas? Domas is better and there is no question about that and Myles even likes to play a bit further from the rim on offence. In that case again - Domas should be playing 5.
All in all Pacers can try Domas and Myles together. The only thing is that Domas should be a center and Myles a power forward - both offensively and defensively.
I think we should probably all hold off on labels of who should be the 4 and who should be the 5, and that we should really be looking at more of a hybrid system where the 4/5 spots are merged and shared and really both hybrid positions. I think that if they succeed together it will require a bit of gameplanning fresh each night based on the matchups and specifics of other teams. We’ll see cross matches and switches. There will be bigs where Dom can be hidden defensively on and bigs where Myles will have to be sliding with on the perimeter.
But if we’re rigid, it will fail. The good thing is, fiscally, we’re not in a rush. We’re in that magical spot where most of our contracts are multiple years, so even if we dealt Dom, we’d not have any realistic or usable salary cap space. But, we’re also safe, where if extend Dom, we’re still safe from he luxury tax, and could likely still even use the MLE and maybe even the bae to fill out the two last roster spots we’d have.
Topofthekey wrote:On offense, Domas is definitely the 5, there's really no question about that, I feel
Defensively is where it gets slightly tricky
On one hand, Domas probably defends big physical 5s better than Myles does; Domas is also the better rebounder, probably the best on the team, so you want him to be near the rim to fight for those rebounds - so when you look at it this way, Domas seems like the better choice at 5, defensively
But having Domas defend the 5 will necessarily mean Myles will be the one tasked with defending the opponent's 4, and having Myles hanging out at the perimeter with the opponent's stretch 4 just sounds like a terrible idea - you'd be wasting his shot-blocking ability; also, Myles seems to be better suited when it comes to defending the PnR - Myles can easily switch onto the opponent's guard and track him all the way to the rim for a block
So yes, offensively, Domas plays the 5, that's easy; but defensively, it's much more difficult to say