2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread

[KqWIN]

I don't understand the hitlist mentality.If the trade comes up and improves, then make it happen, goes for anyone on the roster. But I don't jive with the "Exum has to go" mentality. Exum's contract may be the only to match salaries in a potential trade, but his mere existence on the Jazz isn't an issue. This isn't an addition by subtraction situation.

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Not overly optimistic about this one. I'd much rather have Neto than NWG... No idea why they did this. Probably Goss demanded return back or for them to relinquish his rights and they gave him the min contract.

[Rauxcee]

How good is NWG even? Not that I'm expecting much as an end of the bench guy, just wondering if there is something there.

I too would have preferred Neto (just wish he could have stayed healthy).

[KqWIN]

Agreed, should have just kept Neto. We'll realize our mistake when he plays well for Philly.

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Strange signing. Hopefully I am wrong but I don't see him being an NBA player. Let's at least take a look at Wade Baldwin over this guy.

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[Rauxcee]

Agreed, should have just kept Neto. We'll realize our mistake when he plays well for Philly.

Random opinion: I think Neto's inability to stay healthy did him in. Seems like Neto would suffer injuries even when he wasn't getting playtime, and then when he finally did, he'd play 1 or 2 games and be out with injury again.

I can't help but think the Jazz wanted a more reliable 3rd string PG, especially with Conley and Exum's history, even if it was a step down in quality.

I could be way off, but that's my thinking on the matter.

[Tom349]

Didn't like what I saw from Goss in summer league a couple of years ago but thats no reason to think he can't have improved since then and that he wasn't ready for summer league in the first place thus not looking like an NBA player. I think some players are more suited to the more structured and less chaotic play in the NBA than summer league where their is a severe lack of chemistry and players playing more themselves rather than the team. Hopefully this is the case with Goss. At the very least he should be able to come off the bench and play within the offense and catch and shoot the three ball at decent percentage, if he can also play some defense then he is essentially replacing Neto output.

[Cappy_Smurf]

Seems like Nigel Williams-Goss will be coming over, not sure if to the Jazz or you'd trade his rights, but I think he would be a good addition to this roster too, may be better than Mudiay tbh

We've apparently signed him to a multi-year deal. Either we don't see Dante as a PG, or he is being shopped.

Yea i mean if you just look at the contracts you can see Exum is the guy. It's not personal. It's just time to shop his contract.

Disagree with both of these posts.

To me, the doubt here is Utah finding themselves in a situation where Mudiay has to play big minutes. No way is Utah planning on moving Dante to play Mudiay regular backup minutes.

The NWG signing seems strange to me, but it would be even stranger to move Dante to have Mudiay and NWG as 2nd and 3rd string. God forbid Conely goes down, and one of those 2 players have to start.

I think fans need to get over this idea of trading Exum. I'm sure he'd be moved if he was needed to make a significant trade work, but he's not going to get dumped just because fans are frustrated with the injuries. Just the idea of Mudiay playing significant minutes should scare the hell out Jazz fans.

[KqWIN]

Agreed, should have just kept Neto. We'll realize our mistake when he plays well for Philly.

Random opinion: I think Neto's inability to stay healthy did him in. Seems like Neto would suffer injuries even when he wasn't getting playtime, and then when he finally did, he'd play 1 or 2 games and be out with injury again.

I can't help but think the Jazz wanted a more reliable 3rd string PG, especially with Conley and Exum's history, even if it was a step down in quality.

I could be way off, but that's my thinking on the matter.

Yeah, his injuries were ridiculous. Couldn’t get through a few weeks of actual play without something popping up.

But for me, Neto was good enough to take the chance. I think he’s much better than a third string PG. He’s a player that should have been a mainstay in our rotation whenever he was healthy.

Seems odd that we’re loading up on PG’s anyways. Even when we were down to zero nominal PG’s, we were fine.

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New info on the Donovan's scandal... this is getting WILD... in an unexpected direction:
Here's a new post on reddit that is saying the whole thing was a conspiracy by a local businessman who was butthurt by Mitchell not signing a jersey for him:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ccz62a/donovan_mitchells_ig_being_mean_to_chinese_people/?sort=top

Donovan Mitchell's IG being mean to Chinese people is a FAKE POST!

His IG post was from LAST YEAR and those fans were actually waiting for T-MAC for about AN HOUR! It looks like some people were intentionally faking the narratives to harm Mitchell's image.

Hu-Pu (the China NBA forum) came out with a post about how Mitchell was mocking the Chinese fans and didn't want to give autographs when he was in a hotel during his recent trip to China. The information was corrected by other users in these following posts: https://m.hupu.com/bbs/28465612.html
and https://bbs.hupu.com/28464492.html
(sorry, they're all in Chinese lol). These posts mainly repeated the information that I stated above and also pointed out that the op came from some local spots clothing businessman that were trying to hurt Mitchell's image.

I'm from Taiwan and a big Donny fan. I'm not saying a 23 year kid won't make any mistakes, however this is simply fake news. Considering how often he walks the extra mile just to sign a few more photographs to fans, this fake news just make me really sad .

Edit: Now that post has been deleted by reddit. I have no idea what's going on...

edit 2: post has been restored by reddit mods. Also new evidence and in person accounts - a person that's on the video Mitchell took confirms this was last year not this year and that the majority of fans were there for TMac and that there was only one with Mitchell jersey.

[Tom349]

Agreed, should have just kept Neto. We'll realize our mistake when he plays well for Philly.

Random opinion: I think Neto's inability to stay healthy did him in. Seems like Neto would suffer injuries even when he wasn't getting playtime, and then when he finally did, he'd play 1 or 2 games and be out with injury again.

I can't help but think the Jazz wanted a more reliable 3rd string PG, especially with Conley and Exum's history, even if it was a step down in quality.

I could be way off, but that's my thinking on the matter.

Yeah, his injuries were ridiculous. Couldn’t get through a few weeks of actual play without something popping up.

But for me, Neto was good enough to take the chance. I think he’s much better than a third string PG. He’s a player that should have been a mainstay in our rotation whenever he was healthy.

Seems odd that we’re loading up on PG’s anyways. Even when we were down to zero nominal PG’s, we were fine.

He hasn't been playable in the playoffs. Good regular season player especially as a spark plug on b2b games but are the injuries and lack of upside worth it if he can't be of use in the post season?

Tony Jones has been pretty active of late in suggesting the Jazz want to utilise Exum through 1-3, also remains to be seen what the plan for Mudiay and NWG who both taller PG's who could potentially be played at the 2.

[Charlie_S]

Agreed, should have just kept Neto. We'll realize our mistake when he plays well for Philly.

Random opinion: I think Neto's inability to stay healthy did him in. Seems like Neto would suffer injuries even when he wasn't getting playtime, and then when he finally did, he'd play 1 or 2 games and be out with injury again.

I can't help but think the Jazz wanted a more reliable 3rd string PG, especially with Conley and Exum's history, even if it was a step down in quality.

I could be way off, but that's my thinking on the matter.

I actually agree with that. I think being forced to play Joe as the de-facto starting PG for a significant stretch of the season contributed to him gassing out and I believe the Jazz wanted an insurance against that. I love Raul but you can't have an injury-prone 3rd string PG when you've got Dante Exum ahead of him in the depth chart.

NWG has been getting valuable experience at the highest level of basketball outside of the NBA, I think he'll be fine as a deep bench guy. If he can prove to be a reliable shooter and can somewhat overcome his lack of athleticism with his basketball IQ he might even end up as a decent backup PG in the league.

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[CAE15]

Fairly certain Neto is the direct backup point guard in Philly now. It very well could've been a Jerebko situation where Jazz knew he could contribute more than a 3rd point guard and knew the interest in Mudiay's camp, so they let Neto walk.

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Sportando is saying we will be signing William Howard. He's been with our SL roster but has not played yet. No idea what type of contract we will be signing him to. Could be one of those camp invites...

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[KqWIN]

Interesting, looks like he played for the same team as Sekou Doumbouya.

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Sekou (18.1 MPG): 14.4/6.0/1.4/1.5/1.0 - 56.4% TS

Howard (24.6 MPG): 13.9/5.6/3.2/2.0/0.3 - 59.7% TS

I like Howard's statistical profile. Seems like a typical long, 3&D player with a little bit of passing as well.

[KqWIN]

Hopefully Howard continues the pipeline of non spectacular Euro players to succeed in the NBA. Ingles and O’Neale weren’t superstars in Europe.

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[KqWIN]

^^^ Looks like we're going DEEP into the bargain bin

The numbers look bad for Howard...but also very good for Goss. Hopefully one of them will pan out.