Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK

[miamiballer]

And again only way I take Paul is if he agrees to waive his player option for 2021 ahead of time (doubtful) or if we net multiple picks or somehow make it a bigger deal where we land an orca like beal as well, otherwise we are better off wAitinf for 2021 or another disgruntled star to become available

[Beenie]

Are people against Paul if we net our two picks back?

The minimum for me is 2 picks.


We'll need at least one to move him in the last year of his deal, when he's probably way beyond washed and we'll need the cap space.

If we lose no real talent to get him, moving the likes of Dion/JJ/Lenoard - and add 2 future picks - then I won't hate the deal since CP3's game and he's a smart unselfish player, even though he's declining.

Need to ask yourself this question before even discussing this hypothetical. Why the hell did OKC trade Westbrook for Paul and two first round picks with the idea they are going to have to deal Paul with two first round picks to us when they could have just dealt Westbrook to us for the same exact package for Westbrook without having to give up first round picks? I mean maybe i'm the one that's not thinking straight here and maybe someone can give me a better clarification on this. I'm just mind boggled by this thinking here. Recapping again

OKC trades Westbrook to Houston for

Chris Paul and two 1st round picks

OH WOW WE NEED TO TRADE CHRIS PAUL TO THE HEAT NOW!!

Ok lets get Waiters, DRAGIC, and JJ and Trade two first round picks to the Heat WHOOOHOOOO We did it fam

Its a valid point you’re making. One rationalization would be that OKC wanted to do right by Westbrook who reportedly had Hou as his first choice. Maybe they (OKC) also feel like whatever salary cap relief maneuvering that they valued in a Westbrook trade could also be achieved with them trading away CP3.

[MiamiLoyal926]

Are people against Paul if we net our two picks back?

The minimum for me is 2 picks.


We'll need at least one to move him in the last year of his deal, when he's probably way beyond washed and we'll need the cap space.

If we lose no real talent to get him, moving the likes of Dion/JJ/Lenoard - and add 2 future picks - then I won't hate the deal since CP3's game and he's a smart unselfish player, even though he's declining.

Need to ask yourself this question before even discussing this hypothetical. Why the hell did OKC trade Westbrook for Paul and two first round picks with the idea they are going to have to deal Paul with two first round picks to us when they could have just dealt Westbrook to us for the same exact package for Westbrook without having to give up first round picks? I mean maybe i'm the one that's not thinking straight here and maybe someone can give me a better clarification on this. I'm just mind boggled by this thinking here. Recapping again

OKC trades Westbrook to Houston for

Chris Paul and two 1st round picks

OH WOW WE NEED TO TRADE CHRIS PAUL TO THE HEAT NOW!!

Ok lets get Waiters, DRAGIC, and JJ and Trade two first round picks to the Heat WHOOOHOOOO We did it fam

Just maybe, just a thought, they saw more picks and assumed that was the better deal. They may very well be a little too pick hungry right now that they figured let’s get more picks now and then worry about CP3 later. Clearly they made a mistake in taking that package and are now stuck with the CP3 deal. Doesn’t matter what the thinking is, what is clear is that we do not take a deal that does not involve our picks.

Are you implying that because they took that bad deal we have to take a bad deal too? Maybe they should have taken our deal from the start and they may be sitting nice with Winslow, instead of a bad contract that will take picks to move. They made their bed, we shall not be the ones to lay in it.

Ask yourself this, why did they trade Westbrook for Chris Paul and 2 first round picks only if they knew Chris Paul’s deal was hard to move? OKC must have thought the 2 picks was compensation for Westbrook, but what they didn’t realize is that Houston viewed it as compensation to take CP off their hands. Westbrook and his deal was neutral in value, while CP3 and his deal are negative in value. Those picks were to neutralize CPs value... they can either pony up if they want to move CP or sit on that contract to keep those picks. Not our problem, it’s theirs!

[Dr_Heat]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

The minimum for me is 2 picks.


We'll need at least one to move him in the last year of his deal, when he's probably way beyond washed and we'll need the cap space.

If we lose no real talent to get him, moving the likes of Dion/JJ/Lenoard - and add 2 future picks - then I won't hate the deal since CP3's game and he's a smart unselfish player, even though he's declining.

Need to ask yourself this question before even discussing this hypothetical. Why the hell did OKC trade Westbrook for Paul and two first round picks with the idea they are going to have to deal Paul with two first round picks to us when they could have just dealt Westbrook to us for the same exact package for Westbrook without having to give up first round picks? I mean maybe i'm the one that's not thinking straight here and maybe someone can give me a better clarification on this. I'm just mind boggled by this thinking here. Recapping again

OKC trades Westbrook to Houston for

Chris Paul and two 1st round picks

OH WOW WE NEED TO TRADE CHRIS PAUL TO THE HEAT NOW!!

Ok lets get Waiters, DRAGIC, and JJ and Trade two first round picks to the Heat WHOOOHOOOO We did it fam

Its a valid point you’re making. One rationalization would be that OKC wanted to do right by Westbrook who reportedly had Hou as his first choice. Maybe they (OKC) also feel like whatever salary cap relief maneuvering that they valued in a Westbrook trade could also be achieved with them trading away CP3.

So when it's all said and done OKC traded Westbrook away in a salary dump. Because this is what the discussion is basically turning into. Even if they give us one draft pick pick the narrative for them now becomes they traded Westbrook for 1 lone first round pick just to make him happy? I guess maybe

[MettaWorldPanda]

The minimum for me is 2 picks.


We'll need at least one to move him in the last year of his deal, when he's probably way beyond washed and we'll need the cap space.

If we lose no real talent to get him, moving the likes of Dion/JJ/Lenoard - and add 2 future picks - then I won't hate the deal since CP3's game and he's a smart unselfish player, even though he's declining.

Need to ask yourself this question before even discussing this hypothetical. Why the hell did OKC trade Westbrook for Paul and two first round picks with the idea they are going to have to deal Paul with two first round picks to us when they could have just dealt Westbrook to us for the same exact package for Westbrook without having to give up first round picks? I mean maybe i'm the one that's not thinking straight here and maybe someone can give me a better clarification on this. I'm just mind boggled by this thinking here. Recapping again

OKC trades Westbrook to Houston for

Chris Paul and two 1st round picks

OH WOW WE NEED TO TRADE CHRIS PAUL TO THE HEAT NOW!!

Ok lets get Waiters, DRAGIC, and JJ and Trade two first round picks to the Heat WHOOOHOOOO We did it fam

Just maybe, just a thought, they saw more picks and assumed that was the better deal. They may very well be a little too pick hungry right now that they figured let’s get more picks now and then worry about CP3 later. Clearly they made a mistake in taking that package and are now stuck with the CP3 deal. Doesn’t matter what the thinking is, what is clear is that we do not take a deal that does not involve our picks.

Are you implying that because they took that bad deal we have to take a bad deal too? Maybe they should have taken our deal from the start and they may be sitting nice with Winslow, instead of a bad contract that will take picks to move. They made their bed, we shall not be the ones to lay in it.

Ask yourself this, why did they trade Westbrook for Chris Paul and 2 first round picks only if they knew Chris Paul’s deal was hard to move? OKC must have thought the 2 picks was compensation for Westbrook, but what they didn’t realize is that Houston viewed it as compensation to take CP off their hands. Westbrook and his deal was neutral in value, while CP3 and his deal are negative in value. Those picks were to neutralize CPs value... they can either pony up if they want to move CP or sit in that contract to keep those picks. Not our problem, it’s theirs!

Exactly. I also think it's a problem they can certainly manage and wait this out. Paul is in no position to ruffle feathers as he's sitting on a monster deal. He can either workout a buyout, but in now way shape or form can he force OKC into dumping assets to get rid of his contract. He signed the deal and he also made his bed. At least for him his old town road cowboy shtick
still works on OKC

[MiamiLoyal926]

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Awww.... HW is soo cute! All he ever wanted was to be loved and hugged. What a big teddy bear! I guess Miami was to cut throat for him. I hope he succeeds in Portland, although I wonder if they are ready to take on his teenage girl attitude of whining and pouting when he doesn’t get his way. At least they must think that at his discounted rate come next summer, it will be ok, while we considered it a problem at his max contract rate.

Good luck Hassan! It was fun at first! But then it became too expensive to have you sit around and complain.

[MiamiLoyal926]

Also, in reference to Paul vs Westbrook, who had the better roster last year? It looks fairly even to me, but the results were drastically different. In Pauls favor.

You have me convinced that CP may actually be the better fit for us. He will make our team better, and make our assets also look better. Win win!

With that said, that does not change the asking price. We are still asking for 2 picks back and only offering expiring contracts. If OKC thought that they could still pull Winslow from us, they thought wrong. They crazy thought they could get both our offers at the same time... pfff!

[TheDon_5]

i actually can’t believe OKC took that deal for Paul. Wtf were they thinking?

If they took him thinking they could flip him without losing picks they’re dumber than I thought.

[MettaWorldPanda]

i actually can’t believe OKC took that deal for Paul. Wtf were they thinking?

If they took him thinking they could flip him without losing picks they’re dumber than I thought.

Presti obviously values those picks over getting someone like Winslow. Maybe he wasn't even high on Winslow to begin with. This is why i can't imagine him coughing up those picks in order to take on our scraps now without Winslow just to get rid of Paul.

[Heatfan73]

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[MiamiLoyal926]

i actually can’t believe OKC took that deal for Paul. Wtf were they thinking?

If they took him thinking they could flip him without losing picks they’re dumber than I thought.

Presti obviously values those picks over getting someone like Winslow. Maybe he wasn't even high on Winslow to begin with. This is why i can't imagine him coughing up those picks in order to take on our scraps now without Winslow just to get rid of Paul.

He is pick hungry! He may very well sit on that Chris Paul deal for a year before moving it if it means he keeps his picks.

[TheDon_5]

i actually can’t believe OKC took that deal for Paul. Wtf were they thinking?

If they took him thinking they could flip him without losing picks they’re dumber than I thought.

Presti obviously values those picks over getting someone like Winslow. Maybe he wasn't even high on Winslow to begin with. This is why i can't imagine him coughing up those picks in order to take on our scraps now without Winslow just to get rid of Paul.

Only way I can see Presti getting Paul off the books is by losing two picks. Perhaps Presti valued Houston’s picks 5 years from now because Harden and WB will be done by then over our picks that we most likely be 15-25 range.

[Flash4thewin]

There has been a lot of chatter this summer that the heat are desperate. So far there is no evidence that the heat a desperate. Despite many jokes being made about our front office, we have managed to acquire a star in his prime despite being considered by many as not having they young assets or Space to do it. I think it is time, if it wasn’t already years ago, to start taking the mainstream media with an absolute grain of salt. They have been disrespecting the heat since LeBron left. The heat have not done everything right in that time but they build an interesting enough young coal and stuck by their culture . Without tanking, they are nowone move away from title contention. We are two years away from my bumper free agency, and the way the NBA works now those players will be on the move before that free agency. This is a pretty good situation

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[MettaWorldPanda]

i actually can’t believe OKC took that deal for Paul. Wtf were they thinking?

If they took him thinking they could flip him without losing picks they’re dumber than I thought.

Presti obviously values those picks over getting someone like Winslow. Maybe he wasn't even high on Winslow to begin with. This is why i can't imagine him coughing up those picks in order to take on our scraps now without Winslow just to get rid of Paul.

Only way I can see Presti getting Paul off the books is by losing two picks. Perhaps Presti valued Houston’s picks 5 years from now because Harden and WB will be done by then over our picks that we most likely be 15-25 range.

I think he's holding onto his warchest of picks and finding a better way to use them instead of having to dump Paul which he absolutely does not have to do at this current time. Paul can bitch and moan all his wants. He's the one who signed that contract without a no trade clause. Maybe he takes a buyout.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Winslow will likely attempt the 2nd or 3rd most shots on the team so something like 14 FGA a game should allow him to average 16+ PPG.

[twix2500]

I'm just going to assume we're done for the offseason until the trade deadline honestly... Dragic still needs to be moved. I think we move him for 2nd round picks, we llooovvee 2nd round picks just to get something for him and using them for players we've never heard of!

Dont assume that, Riley loves trying to make a trade in October for some reason.

[fishfuego.]

Also, in reference to Paul vs Westbrook, who had the better roster last year? It looks fairly even to me, but the results were drastically different. In Pauls favor.

You have me convinced that CP may actually be the better fit for us. He will make our team better, and make our assets also look better. Win win!

With that said, that does not change the asking price. We are still asking for 2 picks back and only offering expiring contracts. If OKC thought that they could still pull Winslow from us, they thought wrong. They crazy thought they could get both our offers at the same time... pfff!

Obviously Houston didn’t see the same value in a CP3 vs Westbrook as they ended up giving 2 first to get Westbrook. Simply put, Presti’s greed (2 picks Houston, young Winslow and expiring Goran) got him cornered in a deal that could very well end up being just 34 years old CP3 with huge contract and 2 picks. No salary dump I guess, unless they give up assets to now dump CP3’s huge contract. Not they way he envisioned it I guess.

[Flash4thewin]

Winslow will likely attempt the 2nd or 3rd most shots on the team so something like 14 FGA a game should allow him to average 16+ PPG.

Why would we do that, we are trying to win, no longer in development mode. Also remember its Spo.

PG- Dragic
SF- Butler
SG- Waiter
PF- Winslow?
C- Bam

We need spacing for Butler to be at his best, we need players that are active on offense. Also we will be trying to increase the value of Dragic so hes starting for sure. Winslow best value comes as the back up pg, back up sf and pf, remember Spo thinks of him as Draymon Green light.

[Bishop45]

Also, in reference to Paul vs Westbrook, who had the better roster last year? It looks fairly even to me, but the results were drastically different. In Pauls favor.

Tbf, no one on OKC's roster of Harden's caliber