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Re: What happened to Roy Hibbert? Did the pace and space era phase him out? 

Post#21 » by CP1981 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:07 pm

boomershadow wrote:In all seriousness, pace and space really did kill his game. His rim protection gave even prime Lebron and NY Melo serious trouble, but the Hawks took that same team to seven games in the first round partially because Roy couldn't guard Horford all the way out to the three point line.


Al didn't play that series. He was out with the pec injury. We had Antic starting but your point still stands
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Post#23 » by picc » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:37 pm

He started to look worse than kwamay brown.
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Post#24 » by contestedlayups » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:41 pm

UcanUwill wrote:i think he was the most overrated player on this decade. His offense was always so trash, he had seasons where he barely scored more points than he had shot attempts... as a center!!! Go back and check his stats, do it now, his touch around the rim was pathetic, the worst among all NBA centers hands dow, but no one ever talked about it because its such a gimmie skill in the NBA, and because he had one matchup, one guy he always played very well against and thats what people remembered - Chris Bosh.

This guy Roy Hibbert would be atrocious for 6 months, but playoff time he would match up against the Heat and Chris Bosh at center and dominate, Bosh just couldnt box out him, couldnt do it, Roy was his kryptonite, and fans would always tune on for the playoffs, see Roy Hibbert dominate offensive glass in Eastern conference finals, and they proclaimed him a star. He was never a star, he was a nishe one way player and thats it.


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Post#25 » by MetalFingaz » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:46 pm

While I don't think this explains Hibbert's game completely, it is illustrative:
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Post#26 » by contestedlayups » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:52 pm

MetalFingaz wrote:While I don't think this explains Hibbert's game completely, it is illustrative:


Yup. I was at that game, and that was actually one of the first images that came to my mind when I saw the title of this thread.
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Post#27 » by Heat3 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:11 pm

The refs stopped helping him with BS verticality rules. Cause he often didn’t even go vertical. Had his arms all over people as they jumped up.
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Post#28 » by worldjbfree » Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:13 pm

MetalFingaz wrote:While I don't think this explains Hibbert's game completely, it is illustrative:


Popping-in to say that this is the first thing I think of when people mention Hibbert.

The second thing I think of is him on Parks & Rec.

The third thing I think of is him saying “verticality” on that East Feast episode of Game of Zones.
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Post#30 » by boomershadow » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:26 pm

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boomershadow wrote:In all seriousness, pace and space really did kill his game. His rim protection gave even prime Lebron and NY Melo serious trouble, but the Hawks took that same team to seven games in the first round partially because Roy couldn't guard Horford all the way out to the three point line.


Al didn't play that series. He was out with the pec injury. We had Antic starting but your point still stands
Your right. I completely forgot. Man, with Horford, the Pacers probably wouldn't have made it.
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Post#31 » by The_Hater » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:56 pm

His skill set was so limited, it was basically post defense and rim protection, that the pace and space era even diminished those skills considerably.

Still, he never should have been an allstar.
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Post#32 » by Cactus Jack » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:45 pm

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Post#33 » by IMF » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:32 pm

Roy’s mobility was extremely questionable, his game was never gonna age well past his athletic peak. That combined with pace and space and questionable mental toughness spelled his doom. Coming out of the draft he was viewed as a low ceiling player and probably career backup. The fact that he maxed himself into the impact player that he was in his prime is kind of impressive. He didn’t have great tools outside of his size.
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Post#35 » by IMF » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:36 pm

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boomershadow wrote:In all seriousness, pace and space really did kill his game. His rim protection gave even prime Lebron and NY Melo serious trouble, but the Hawks took that same team to seven games in the first round partially because Roy couldn't guard Horford all the way out to the three point line.


Al didn't play that series. He was out with the pec injury. We had Antic starting but your point still stands
Your right. I completely forgot. Man, with Horford, the Pacers probably wouldn't have made it.


Was Horford shooting 3s at that time? That 5 out gimmick lineup was the reason they gave us so much trouble, I think the opposite. Pacers take that series much more easily if they play it conventional. Remember this was right before pace and space became the norm. That lineup totally blew up our strategy.
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Post#36 » by Mauro Pedrosa » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:59 pm

I used to like him a lot
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Post#37 » by DoItALL9 » Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:03 pm

With so many big men becoming the best players in the league could he make a comeback today? (Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, KAT)

Would he be (significantly) worse than DeAndre Jordan in Philly?

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Post#38 » by Rich Michmond » Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:16 pm

DoItALL9 wrote:With so many big men becoming the best players in the league could he make a comeback today? (Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, KAT)

Would he be (significantly) worse than DeAndre Jordan in Philly?

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Being better than Philly DeAndre is not exactly a high benchmark. Prime Hibbert would be better for sure, but is being better than one of the worst centers in the league really that meaningful?

Regarding the first question, these bigs play nothing like Hibbert did so I don't think the fact that centers are top players in the current NBA changes anything. The question is, are there any top centers with Hibbert's skillset that are stars (or even above-average starters) nowadays?
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Post#39 » by moss_is_1 » Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:58 pm

As others have said it's a lot of things. Mediocre rebounder, bad offense(below average finisher, athlete, jumper), also being just a good rim defender. Couldn't guard on the perimeter so was quickly fazed out.
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Post#40 » by DoItALL9 » Mon Mar 21, 2022 6:12 pm

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DoItALL9 wrote:With so many big men becoming the best players in the league could he make a comeback today? (Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, KAT)

Would he be (significantly) worse than DeAndre Jordan in Philly?

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Being better than Philly DeAndre is not exactly a high benchmark. Prime Hibbert would be better for sure, but is being better than one of the worst centers in the league really that meaningful?

Regarding the first question, these bigs play nothing like Hibbert did so I don't think the fact that centers are top players in the current NBA changes anything. The question is, are there any top centers with Hibbert's skillset that are stars (or even above-average starters) nowadays?
I think in today's game he would need to try to be a poor man's Gobert.

He would need to play in the perfect system to be successful probably. Phoenix, alongside Chris Paul, comes to mind.

GSW needs a big with Wiseman out. I could see him being (close to) serviceable for them.

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