2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs

[RRyder823]

Thinking about our roster as it stands today.

If George Hill makes his way into the starting lineup than a backup PG could be a need depending on how confidant our team is in Donte.

Would feel a lot better about Wes Matthews as the first guard off the bench than relying on him as a starter. Either way it's possible our team has high expectations hoping he resurrects his career in Budenholzer's system.

Even then though it seems like we could use another significant contributor somewhere between the 1/2/3 spots.

PG: Bledsoe, Divincenzo
SG: Hill, Matthews, Brown
SF: Middleton, Connaughton, Thanasis
PF: Giannis, Ersan, DJ
C: Lopez, Lopez

Not for nothing but I hate the idea of Hill being moved into the starting lineup. Him being a stabilizing precense off the bench and leading the shock troops seems the perfect fit for him on this team

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[Matches Malone]

Not for nothing but I hate the idea of Hill being moved into the starting lineup. Him being a stabilizing precense off the bench and leading the shock troops seems the perfect fit for him on this team

Agreed. I think Hill coming off the bench as a 6th man would be a better way to use him. Put Pat or DDV into the starting lineup. Gives the team a better balance too. Come playoffs he'll be playing with the starters more, but I don't think he needs to start.

[mke_design]

Bet Donte starts.


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[JayMKE]

I'd just ride the hot hand and do it by committee be it Hill, Sterling, Donte, or Wes.

[raferfenix]

I agree it'd be way better if we didn't need George Hill to start.

However I could see that being the plan considering the Bucks liked him enough to trade a pick to acquire him specifically in the Henson / Delly salary dump and then the additional pick we attached with Snell to dump more salary to bring him back.

Also $10 million per year.

Cumulatively that seems like a lot of resources to be spending on a bench guy while we still need to fill the void Brogdon left.

That's especially considering Bledsoe falling apart in the playoffs. Hill having a bigger role and playing more with the starters takes the ball out of his hands (and would make it easier to trade Bledsoe if that is or becomes a consideration).

Don't get me wrong though I'd definitely prefer us to have an additional championship-caliber starter in the backcourt!

Maybe we have someone else on the roster who can take on that role but I'm worried we don't. We're not overflowing with trade assets to acquire someone else either.

[soxperry]

Thinking about our roster as it stands today.

If George Hill makes his way into the starting lineup than a backup PG could be a need depending on how confidant our team is in Donte.

Would feel a lot better about Wes Matthews as the first guard off the bench than relying on him as a starter. Either way it's possible our team has high expectations hoping he resurrects his career in Budenholzer's system.

Even then though it seems like we could use another significant contributor somewhere between the 1/2/3 spots.

PG: Bledsoe, Divincenzo
SG: Hill, Matthews, Brown
SF: Middleton, Connaughton, Thanasis
PF: Giannis, Ersan, DJ
C: Lopez, Lopez

I was digging around youtube trying to get a feel for what to expect from Matthews and i came across this:

Watch on YouTube

It's a little concerning. Maybe I'm overreacting but the one great thing about pretty much all of our players (except for Khris on rare occasions) is that they stay within themselves and make the right basketball move 9 times out of 10. They rarely get locked into hero ball. Matthews seems like a guy who thinks he is a bit more capable than he is, but every once in a while the shot goes in and it gets reinforced. His 2 pt% hasn't been great in a long time, either: .413, .456, .437, .441, .432, .432 going back to 15-16.

Now, if he is coachable there is reason to believe that he will see improvements in both 2pt and 3pt percentages. Bud will quickly want to get rid of the intermediate shots. He was .591 at the rim last season and .370 from 3, but .365 from 3 to 10 feet, .367 from 10 to 16, and .333 from 16 to 3 pt. A total of about 25% of his shots came from those intermediate ranges last season. Cutting those will help.

Also, Matthews shot 45% on wide open 3s at 3.3 per game. We should be able to generate more of those than either Dalls or Indiana... It's worth noting that he was abysmal on open and tight coverage shooting less than 30%.

So think what i learned here is that if he is willing to conform his shot selection to the Bud way, and if he is willing to play within himself and within the system, we shouldn't see as much of the hero ball, Kobe shots. We should see his efficiency improve and hopefully have a useful player. We'll see.

[raferfenix]

Would this put us in the luxury tax?



Grizzlies are asking for a first for Iggy. Not sure if this would be enough but also don't know if it'd be worth including the Pacers pick.

Igoudala is old and not a great shooter and we'd only be guaranteed to have him one season. But he'd definitely be helpful in the playoffs if we're going all out for a ring if we could pick him up some how.

According to The Athletic's Sam Amick, the Rockets and Los Angeles Clippers are in pursuit of a trade for Iguodala.

But the Memphis Grizzlies' asking price could be too much for some teams, as Marc Stein of the New York Times reported there is some belief Memphis could hold on to Iguodala unless it receives an offer including a first-round pick.

The problem with that demand for the Rockets and Clippers is they just mortgaged their draft futures in deals with the Thunder.

Houston sent protected first-round picks in 2024 and 2026 and two pick swaps in 2021 and 2025 to Oklahoma City.

The Clippers dealt unprotected first-rounders in 2022, 2024 and 2026, the unprotected picks originally owned by Miami in 2021 and 2023 and pick swaps for 2023 and 2025 in their trade with the Thunder.

From Memphis' perspective, asking for a first-round pick is logical given how important Iguodala could be to a contending team.

Iguodala is a three-time NBA champion from his time with the Golden State Warriors, and his presence on the court would be valuable to both the Rockets and the Clippers as they try to qualify for the NBA Finals out of a crowded Western Conference.

The argument against sending a first-round pick to Memphis in exchange for Iguodala is his regular-season production has dropped off over the past few seasons.

Last season, Iguodala averaged 5.7 points per game in 64 contests, which was the worst scoring production of his career.

You can counter that criticism with the 10 double-digit point performances Iguodala put together during the playoffs.

If Iguodala produces at a similar level next postseason, he could be worth the first-round selection the Grizzlies are holding out for.

If Memphis is willing to alter its trade demands later in the offseason, a deal could be reached, but for now, the Rockets and Clippers might be forced to play a bit of a waiting game or look elsewhere since they are close to out of first-round selections.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2845416-nba-rumors-latest-buzz-on-chris-paul-andre-iguodala-trades-more

[Isocleas2]

I'd start Mathews, he has proven how well he can shoot the open 3 for years. Just let him stand on the line and wait for Giannis to kick it out. Easy game. I'd play him limited minutes (20-25)) so he doesnt burn out during the regular season though. Give him some nights off so the youngins get some more burn.

George Hill the steady hand leading the bench squad is perfect imo. Can still play him during crunch time when his shot is on.

[LuessiT]

Thinking about our roster as it stands today.

If George Hill makes his way into the starting lineup than a backup PG could be a need depending on how confidant our team is in Donte.

Would feel a lot better about Wes Matthews as the first guard off the bench than relying on him as a starter. Either way it's possible our team has high expectations hoping he resurrects his career in Budenholzer's system.

Even then though it seems like we could use another significant contributor somewhere between the 1/2/3 spots.

PG: Bledsoe, Divincenzo
SG: Hill, Matthews, Brown
SF: Middleton, Connaughton, Thanasis
PF: Giannis, Ersan, DJ
C: Lopez, Lopez

I was digging around youtube trying to get a feel for what to expect from Matthews and i came across this:

Watch on YouTube

It's a little concerning. Maybe I'm overreacting but the one great thing about pretty much all of our players (except for Khris on rare occasions) is that they stay within themselves and make the right basketball move 9 times out of 10. They rarely get locked into hero ball. Matthews seems like a guy who thinks he is a bit more capable than he is, but every once in a while the shot goes in and it gets reinforced. His 2 pt% hasn't been great in a long time, either: .413, .456, .437, .441, .432, .432 going back to 15-16.

Now, if he is coachable there is reason to believe that he will see improvements in both 2pt and 3pt percentages. Bud will quickly want to get rid of the intermediate shots. He was .591 at the rim last season and .370 from 3, but .365 from 3 to 10 feet, .367 from 10 to 16, and .333 from 16 to 3 pt. A total of about 25% of his shots came from those intermediate ranges last season. Cutting those will help.

Also, Matthews shot 45% on wide open 3s at 3.3 per game. We should be able to generate more of those than either Dalls or Indiana... It's worth noting that he was abysmal on open and tight coverage shooting less than 30%.

So think what i learned here is that if he is willing to conform his shot selection to the Bud way, and if he is willing to play within himself and within the system, we shouldn't see as much of the hero ball, Kobe shots. We should see his efficiency improve and hopefully have a useful player. We'll see.

I was watching through the whole video and there was only one play I'd be visibly upset if he does for us on the court. This video stems from Matthews receiving a max contract but now he'll be on the minimum. Huge difference.

[LuessiT]

Would this put us in the luxury tax?



Grizzlies are asking for a first for Iggy. Not sure if this would be enough but also don't know if it'd be worth including the Pacers pick.

Igoudala is old and not a great shooter and we'd only be guaranteed to have him one season. But he'd definitely be helpful in the playoffs if we're going all out for a ring if we could pick him up some how.

According to The Athletic's Sam Amick, the Rockets and Los Angeles Clippers are in pursuit of a trade for Iguodala.

But the Memphis Grizzlies' asking price could be too much for some teams, as Marc Stein of the New York Times reported there is some belief Memphis could hold on to Iguodala unless it receives an offer including a first-round pick.

The problem with that demand for the Rockets and Clippers is they just mortgaged their draft futures in deals with the Thunder.

Houston sent protected first-round picks in 2024 and 2026 and two pick swaps in 2021 and 2025 to Oklahoma City.

The Clippers dealt unprotected first-rounders in 2022, 2024 and 2026, the unprotected picks originally owned by Miami in 2021 and 2023 and pick swaps for 2023 and 2025 in their trade with the Thunder.

From Memphis' perspective, asking for a first-round pick is logical given how important Iguodala could be to a contending team.

Iguodala is a three-time NBA champion from his time with the Golden State Warriors, and his presence on the court would be valuable to both the Rockets and the Clippers as they try to qualify for the NBA Finals out of a crowded Western Conference.

The argument against sending a first-round pick to Memphis in exchange for Iguodala is his regular-season production has dropped off over the past few seasons.

Last season, Iguodala averaged 5.7 points per game in 64 contests, which was the worst scoring production of his career.

You can counter that criticism with the 10 double-digit point performances Iguodala put together during the playoffs.

If Iguodala produces at a similar level next postseason, he could be worth the first-round selection the Grizzlies are holding out for.

If Memphis is willing to alter its trade demands later in the offseason, a deal could be reached, but for now, the Rockets and Clippers might be forced to play a bit of a waiting game or look elsewhere since they are close to out of first-round selections.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2845416-nba-rumors-latest-buzz-on-chris-paul-andre-iguodala-trades-more

It wouldn't put us in the luxury tax but Iguodala is pretty washed imo. I do think he's got something left in the POs but I don't think he's a positive regular season player anymore. We've got a lot of time to tinker with our lineups and who knows who becomes available between now and the deadline. I certainly wouldn't want to miss out on someone better because we wasted assets on Iguodala.

[raferfenix]

Would this put us in the luxury tax?

It wouldn't put us in the luxury tax but Iguodala is pretty washed imo. I do think he's got something left in the POs but I don't think he's a positive regular season player anymore. We've got a lot of time to tinker with our lineups and who knows who becomes available between now and the deadline. I certainly wouldn't want to miss out on someone better because we wasted assets on Iguodala.

Yeah I'm thinking through how I feel about it too.

Donte + DJ are a lot on their own if our front office is still high on them. And we're very short on tradeable assets.

[soxperry]

We cant trade DDV or DJ and heres why:

They still have potential that could be very valuable to us if either of them blossom but right now their value isnt high enough to warrant giving up on that potential. Either one of them pops and its a REALLY good thing for us.

[JayMKE]

Even if you don't believe in them long term they are really our only trade chips at this point, I believe they will be better this year than last so either that's good in itself or a way of improving down the line.

[BigO]

Would this put us in the luxury tax?



Grizzlies are asking for a first for Iggy. Not sure if this would be enough but also don't know if it'd be worth including the Pacers pick.

Igoudala is old and not a great shooter and we'd only be guaranteed to have him one season. But he'd definitely be helpful in the playoffs if we're going all out for a ring if we could pick him up some how.

According to The Athletic's Sam Amick, the Rockets and Los Angeles Clippers are in pursuit of a trade for Iguodala.

But the Memphis Grizzlies' asking price could be too much for some teams, as Marc Stein of the New York Times reported there is some belief Memphis could hold on to Iguodala unless it receives an offer including a first-round pick.

The problem with that demand for the Rockets and Clippers is they just mortgaged their draft futures in deals with the Thunder.

Houston sent protected first-round picks in 2024 and 2026 and two pick swaps in 2021 and 2025 to Oklahoma City.

The Clippers dealt unprotected first-rounders in 2022, 2024 and 2026, the unprotected picks originally owned by Miami in 2021 and 2023 and pick swaps for 2023 and 2025 in their trade with the Thunder.

From Memphis' perspective, asking for a first-round pick is logical given how important Iguodala could be to a contending team.

Iguodala is a three-time NBA champion from his time with the Golden State Warriors, and his presence on the court would be valuable to both the Rockets and the Clippers as they try to qualify for the NBA Finals out of a crowded Western Conference.

The argument against sending a first-round pick to Memphis in exchange for Iguodala is his regular-season production has dropped off over the past few seasons.

Last season, Iguodala averaged 5.7 points per game in 64 contests, which was the worst scoring production of his career.

You can counter that criticism with the 10 double-digit point performances Iguodala put together during the playoffs.

If Iguodala produces at a similar level next postseason, he could be worth the first-round selection the Grizzlies are holding out for.

If Memphis is willing to alter its trade demands later in the offseason, a deal could be reached, but for now, the Rockets and Clippers might be forced to play a bit of a waiting game or look elsewhere since they are close to out of first-round selections.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2845416-nba-rumors-latest-buzz-on-chris-paul-andre-iguodala-trades-more

Just when I think that a trade proposal can't get any worse, I see this. I wouldn't trade Ersan straight up for Igoudala, and certainly not DDV. Maybe Wilson, but probably not. All three is beyond ridiculous. Assuming good health, I expect DDV to start at off guard with the hope of bringing Hill in off the bench.The Bucks have high hopes for DDV. Ersan brings outside shooting and good defense and for Wilson this is a make or break year. I'm not optimistic on him. The Bucks need more shooters, not less.Let's get Korver.

[Plossum]

Why we would give up guys on rookie deals for Iggy is beyond me. He’d be useful to have but maybe as a buyout candidate.

[Iheartfootball]

Iggy is like 80? He’d waste away on the bench. Maybe a good presence come playoffs but that’s about it. Like Pao last year.

So maybe useless-ish?

[Frank Nova]

Idk what's worse, the actual Tobias/Redick trade or the hypothetical DDV/Iggy trade?

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[Wisky4life]

Idk what's worse, the actual Tobias/Redick trade or the hypothetical DDV/Iggy trade?

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Tobias for now because he earned a max contract. If we pulled that Iggy trade and DDV or Wilson got a max then it can contend.

Still wouldn't do the Iggy trade anyway.

[Lippo]

Just get Rashad Vaughan back, hell blossom under Bud, Kidd screwed him up...hell he’s 4 years younger than Brogdan... Imagine him making a game winning 3. In the finals vs the Lakers, Kidd eating crow pie..

[bizarro]

Just get Rashad Vaughan back, hell blossom under Bud, Kidd screwed him up...

He's still soooooooo young. So much promise. Such a good shooter.