Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK

[Mars]

This is the rotation I’m hoping to see this season, as the roster is currently constructed.

PG: Justise • Dragic • Nunn
SG: Dion • Herro
SF: Jimmy • DJJ • KZ
PF: KO • JJ • Robinson
C: Bam • Leonard

Starters: Justise, Dion, Jimmy, KO, Bam
Second: Dragic, Herro, DJJ, JJ, Leonard
Spot Duty: Nunn, KZ, Robinson

[Bishop45]

Hope we waive Maten or Leonard for Willie Reed byke or (god hlp us) Dwite

[El Alonzo scowl]

The original point in question was why you'd be able to ship him off for one when you could get him for two.

I no longer think he would cost one first to ship in 2021 even as an expiring. Unless there's a GM out there that owes Riley a favor or huge cap spike, unloading him in 2021 will very likely cost more than one first rounder. Our draft cupboard is completely empty, getting both our firsts backs replenishes the first round shelf. I'd take on CP for that. Figure out how to dump him later when we got the assets to make moves. 2023 pick is important but only half of the key.

[ThunderBolt]

No one wants him for one pick. A guy that will be making 45 million at 37 is an albatross.

You should have never taken that contract, unless you were willing to eat it. You got 2 picks for WB and it should take 2 picks to get rid of CP.

Might as well have traded us WB for our expirings if you're team is that desparate to unload CP before the season.

But I didn't really want WB anyway.

No one? I mean the Miami fan just before you seemed agreeable to the deal.

No you're right. I have plenty of friends that are still bitching that we didn't just trade Bam, Winslow, and Herro for WB. So there are a lot of thirsty Heat fans out there.

I honestly think you guys made the right moves with both your stars.

But the Heat are not a WB or CP away from competing, and all either does is lock us into mediocrity for over the next half decade.

I'm not even saying Riley won't fall for it. He's a desperate old man at this point. I'm just sick of constantly checking to make sure we didn't screw our franchise.

I'm sure you're a nice guy, but I honestly just want to tell the Thunder to **** off with these trade proposals.

I understand.The heat are in a tough place right now. If Paul wasn’t such a malcontent I wouldn’t mind keeping him. If it’s any consolation, the thunder rarely do the deal that’s most talked about. The more we hear about negotiations with Miami, the more likely it is that he ends up somewhere completely else.

[jake_swivel]

The original point in question was why you'd be able to ship him off for one when you could get him for two.

I no longer think he would cost one first to ship in 2021 even as an expiring. Unless there's a GM out there that owes Riley a favor or huge cap spike, unloading him in 2021 will very likely cost more than one first rounder. Our draft cupboard is completely empty, getting both our firsts backs replenishes the first round shelf. I'd take on CP for that. Figure out how to dump him later when we got the assets to make moves. 2023 pick is important but only half of the key.

Glad you can agree with a ballboy

[abark]

No one? I mean the Miami fan just before you seemed agreeable to the deal.

No you're right. I have plenty of friends that are still bitching that we didn't just trade Bam, Winslow, and Herro for WB. So there are a lot of thirsty Heat fans out there.

I honestly think you guys made the right moves with both your stars.

But the Heat are not a WB or CP away from competing, and all either does is lock us into mediocrity for over the next half decade.

I'm not even saying Riley won't fall for it. He's a desperate old man at this point. I'm just sick of constantly checking to make sure we didn't screw our franchise.

I'm sure you're a nice guy, but I honestly just want to tell the Thunder to **** off with these trade proposals.

I understand.The heat are in a tough place right now. If Paul wasn’t such a malcontent I wouldn’t mind keeping him. If it’s any consolation, the thunder rarely do the deal that’s most talked about. The more we hear about negotiations with Miami, the more likely it is that he ends up somewhere completely else.

Yeah, we've been in no man's land since Lebron left. Then we created the ultimate treadmill team by handing out 12-15 mill dollar contracts to half a dozen unspectacular players.

We're finally close to getting out of that mess, which is why I wasn't even the biggest fan of the Butler trade. We're just too handicapped by our league high salary (at least as of last year).

But it's not like anyone is signing with OKC in the near future. So keeping Paul wouldn't be a big deal if most people didn't seem to hate him.

I wish you guys luck in getting rid of him to get under the luxury tax. Just hope it's not with us.

[MartyCONLONNN]

give this franchise 2 in their prime superstars and they are not a perpetual first round exit. Any Thunder praise is bs. Sure they got a bunch of picks back but as long as the same staff is in place, what makes anyone confident they will do anything when they had more talent recently than any of those picks will likely amount to ?

that is to say no Thunder fan should say the Heat are in a “tough spot” when the mean age of our core is ~21 and will be a playoff team.

[ThunderBolt]

give this franchise 2 in their prime superstars and they are not a perpetual first round exit. Any Thunder praise is bs. Sure they got a bunch of picks back but as long as the same staff is in place, what makes anyone confident they will do anything when they had more talent recently than any of those picks will likely amount to ?

that is to say no Thunder fan should say the Heat are in a “tough spot” when the mean age of our core is ~21 and will be a playoff team.

Sorry I upset you. Best wishes moving forward.

[TheDon_5]

Say if we don’t pull the trigger on any deals. Do we have one of the best bench’s in the league?

I’m going to assume Herro is going to be a starter due to balance for the starting 5.

Starting 5 -

PG: Winslow
SG: Herro
SF: Butler
PF: Olynk
C: Bam

Bench/Depth:

PG: Dragic/Nunn
SG: Waiters
SF: Jones/Robinson
PF: Johnson/Okpala
C: Leonard

I think our bench could be one of our strengths this season.

[MartyCONLONNN]

give this franchise 2 in their prime superstars and they are not a perpetual first round exit. Any Thunder praise is bs. Sure they got a bunch of picks back but as long as the same staff is in place, what makes anyone confident they will do anything when they had more talent recently than any of those picks will likely amount to ?

that is to say no Thunder fan should say the Heat are in a “tough spot” when the mean age of our core is ~21 and will be a playoff team.

Sorry I upset you. Best wishes moving forward.

No need to apologize. Heat fans deal with a pretty ridiculous media bias & i’m just pointing out the notion of being in a “tough spot” while the Thunder are somehow worthy of praise and “ready to reload!” for acquiring picks while losing 2 bonafide superstars IN their prime. If that happens to another team it would be framed as a total failure. All the while Butler was Philly’s emotional leader/closer and were potentially a bounce away from beating the eventual champion and the acquisition of Butler has been seen as inconsequential. It’s as if he got worse when he came to Miami and J Rich got better bc he went to Philly. So you didn’t upset me dude, but the perception of these transactions is so skewed that it does prompt me to undress the mainstream bias behind the generalized reactions.

[oreon]

So it begins

Read on Twitter

I don't think he gets traded this year but next summer for sure. If the Wizards were smart they would trade him by this trade deadline to get max value for him.

[abark]

This the rotation I’m hoping to see this season, as the roster is currently constructed.

PG: Justise • Dragic • Nunn
SG: Dion • Herro
SF: Jimmy • DJJ • KZ
PF: KO • JJ • Robinson
C: Bam • Leonard

Starters: Justise, Dion, Jimmy, KO, Bam
Second: Dragic, Herro, DJJ, JJ, Leonard
Spot Duty: Nunn, KZ, Robinson

Same, but did read on rotoworld that Riley said Dragic would start at PG. Not a fan.

But if we're really talking about our ideal lineup. Mine is that, except Herro beats out Waiters and Dion gets 15-20 min a game

[The Bunk]

So it begins

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I don't think he gets traded this year but next summer for sure. If the Wizards were smart they would trade him by this trade deadline to get max value for him.

He'll be traded for sure next summer if he doesn't agree to an extension, IMO. Won't get as ugly as Jimmy in Minnesota though. Not sure if he's the personality to demand anything.

[Mars]

This is the rotation I’m hoping to see this season, as the roster is currently constructed.

PG: Justise • Dragic • Nunn
SG: Dion • Herro
SF: Jimmy • DJJ • KZ
PF: KO • JJ • Robinson
C: Bam • Leonard

Starters: Justise, Dion, Jimmy, KO, Bam
Second: Dragic, Herro, DJJ, JJ, Leonard
Spot Duty: Nunn, KZ, Robinson

Same, but did read on rotoworld that Riley said Dragic would start at PG...

Riley will also trade Dragic the first chance he gets.

My feeling is Spo starts Justise and uses Dragic in last season's Wade role as first (vet savvy) sub off the bench.

[Heat3]

Say if we don’t pull the trigger on any deals. Do we have one of the best bench’s in the league?

I’m going to assume Herro is going to be a starter due to balance for the starting 5.

Starting 5 -

PG: Winslow
SG: Herro
SF: Butler
PF: Olynk
C: Bam

Bench/Depth:

PG: Dragic/Nunn
SG: Waiters
SF: Jones/Robinson
PF: Johnson/Okpala
C: Leonard

I think our bench could be one of our strengths this season.

Zero chance Spoelstra starts a Herro. Come on, he's 19 Even if we are down to an 8 man roster, he might not start.

[Beenie]

Not really sure what Washington would find acceptable for Beal. Although 3 firsts and a second seems like a decent haul, I suspect that they also want to secure young talent. Herro, in this scenario, might have to be included to get them to bite.

I suspect that DeRozan is opting out next year which is why I also suspect that SA would be open to this offer.

Thunder get off of CP3's contract and have a year to try and seduce DeRozan to stay or move him at the deadline and recoup a pick or 2.

[Mars]

...I’m going to assume Herro is going to be a starter due to balance for the starting 5....

Dion's three point shooting last season by the month...

Jan: 28.8% FG3 on 4.7 FG3A
Feb: 38.3% FG3 on 6.8 FG3A
Mar: 40.6% FG3 on 7.1 FG3A
Apr: 40.0% FG3 on 8.3 FG3A

...he was also one of the best in the league last year shooting contested threes.

[abark]

...I’m going to assume Herro is going to be a starter due to balance for the starting 5....

Dion's three point shooting last season by the month...

Jan: 28.8% FG3 on 4.7 FG3A
Feb: 38.3% FG3 on 6.8 FG3A
Mar: 40.6% FG3 on 7.1 FG3A
Apr: 40.0% FG3 on 8.3 FG3A

...he was actually also one of the best in the league last year shooting contested threes.

If he can keep that up AND stay healthy, he can finally make it off my **** list

[Wiltside]

I think they'll start the season with Dragic at the 1. It'll be an attempt to up his value a little. But he isn't long for this roster.

Dragic
Butler
Winslow
Olynyk
Adebayo

They'll want Dion to prove himself and his commitment, so think they'll run him in the Wade role initially.

Once Dragic is dealt:

Winslow / Nunn
Waiters / Herro
Butler / Jones Jr / Robinson
Olynyk / JJ / Okpala
Adebayo / Leonard / Haslem

Mostly running non-traditional point guards, with Winslow and Butler doing majority of the ball handling, with Dion cameo's.

Looking at that depth chart though, I think we need another guard and big incase we have injury issues again. Would be happy to bring back Willie Reed as that traditional big. I know we were rumoured to have interest in Jamal Crawford (which I don't like), but I can see why someone similar to him may be necessary on the roster. Provided he's a 12-13th man, you could do worse I guess.

[MartyConlonJr]

Say if we don’t pull the trigger on any deals. Do we have one of the best bench’s in the league?

I’m going to assume Herro is going to be a starter due to balance for the starting 5.

Starting 5 -

PG: Winslow
SG: Herro
SF: Butler
PF: Olynk
C: Bam

Bench/Depth:

PG: Dragic/Nunn
SG: Waiters
SF: Jones/Robinson
PF: Johnson/Okpala
C: Leonard

I think our bench could be one of our strengths this season.

We definitely have one of the more talented benches in the league - especially if healthy and in shape (looking at u Dion and JJ). What worries me is that IF everyone is healthy, we will not be able to give people sufficient minutes to progress. We definitely have a team that can absorb a few injuries (especially on the wings, not quite at PG and C).

Ideally Dragic and Waiters get around 30 mpg to showcase them. Ideally Jimmy and Winslow get at least 32. Herro needs to see at least 20. Jones Jr should be seeing at least 15, but hopefully more. I've already listed 159 minutes per game at 3 positions that count to 144. There may be a little small ball in there to get some minutes at PF, but it is already looking tight. This is where moving Dragic (much as I like him) would have balanced this roster.