Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK

[abark]

give this franchise 2 in their prime superstars and they are not a perpetual first round exit. Any Thunder praise is bs. Sure they got a bunch of picks back but as long as the same staff is in place, what makes anyone confident they will do anything when they had more talent recently than any of those picks will likely amount to ?

that is to say no Thunder fan should say the Heat are in a “tough spot” when the mean age of our core is ~21 and will be a playoff team.

The dude meant no will ill in his comment. He was just responding to me saying we aren't one piece away from contending.

And we aren't in that great a spot. Our core is not ~21 unless you want to exclude our 30 year old best player in Butler (whose on a 4 year deal), and include our 19 year old unproven rookie.

We also don't have two of our next 4 draft picks which completely limits our ability to trade picks in the future (thanks Stepien). And we don't have a second rounder till like 2027.

Just because the Thunder have fallen apart this offseason, doesn't exclude their fans from being able to make assessments of our own situation.

[Mars]

2018-19 : Contested three pointers: defender within 2-4 feet (at least 1.5 FG3 contested attempts per game)

1. Covington 42.4% (1.7 FG3A)
2. PG 41.0% (1.8 FG3A)
3. Ellington 39.4% (2.0 FG3A)
4. Korver 38.9% (1.6 FG3A)
5. Steph 36.7% (2.1 FG3A)
6. Kemba 35.9% (2.3 FG3A)
7. Klay 35.8% (1.7 FG3A)
8. Redick 35.4% (1.7 FG3A)
9. Dion 34.7% (2.2 FG3A)
10. Dame 34.4% (1.9 FG3A)
11. T. Ross 32.6% (2.3 FG3A)
12. Harden 32.4% (5.8 FG3A)
13. D. Russell 30.7% (1.7 FG3A)
14. Durant 26.1% (1.5 FG3A)
15. Carmelo 20.0% (1.5 FG3A) - in 10 games played

[Maroko]

give this franchise 2 in their prime superstars and they are not a perpetual first round exit. Any Thunder praise is bs. Sure they got a bunch of picks back but as long as the same staff is in place, what makes anyone confident they will do anything when they had more talent recently than any of those picks will likely amount to ?

that is to say no Thunder fan should say the Heat are in a “tough spot” when the mean age of our core is ~21 and will be a playoff team.

The dude meant no will ill in his comment. He was just responding to me saying we aren't one piece away from contending.

And we aren't in that a great spot. Our core is not ~21 unless you want to exclude our 30 year old best player in Butler (whose on a 4 year deal), and include our 19 year old unproven rookie.

We also don't have two of our next 4 draft picks which completely limits our ability to trade picks in the future (thanks Stepien). We also don't have a second rounder till like 2027.

Just because the Thunder have fallen apart this offseason, doesn't exclude their fans from being able to make assessments of our own situation.

He has also the right to say we are not in a tough spot wether you like it or not. Where did he say they can't make an assessments ? Or do we have to agree with what they say about us ?

[fishfuego.]

Can't lie, I'd take 1 pick and Paul as long as it didn't include Winslow/Waiters

I think that’s what we’re hoping for, 1 pick and whatever you guys want to dump for salary matching purposes.

Id take that tbh. CP will make this team pretty good. Better than WB would have IMO. He might be older but hes a winner.

If we could get both our picks back thatd be great. Those picks arent as good as they used to be anyway. Maybe thats the hold up.

DayofMourning, one is 30 and the other is 34. Houston thought Westbrook was a better player obviously by trading CP3 while forking 2 first picks for Westbrook. What in God’s earth has so many here claiming that CP3 is the better fit when he had Harden, a better player than Butler as his Batman. Oh and a better team too.

Look I’m not going to get into it on this forum. It is my plain view of things and only me. Everyone else can share their vision, but I just don’t see it.

Now if CP3 gets here with 2 first picks, and it is used to acquire another star, I’m on board, but to just ride along the treadmill train and an old man getting us nowhere while killing any Whale hunt opportunity? No way Jose.

The Heat’s front office feels the same as they are not approaching CP3 with nearly the same energy they approached Westbrook. The writing is on the wall, right in front of our noses.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

2018-19 : Contested three pointers: defender within 2-4 feet (at least 1.5 FG3 contested attempts per game)

1. Covington 42.4% (1.7 FG3A)
2. PG 41.0% (1.8 FGA3)
3. Ellington 39.4% (2.0 FGA3)
4. Korver 38.9% (1.6 FGA3)
5. Steph 36.7% (2.1 FGA3)
6. Kemba 35.9% (2.3 FGA3)
7. Klay 35.8% (1.7 FGA3)
8. Redick 35.4% (1.7 FGA3)
9. Dion 34.7% (2.2 FGA3)
10. Dame 34.4% (1.9 FGA3)

That's not bad.

[Maroko]

I can guarantee you even if the so called twitter expert say we are not after CP3, we are ! Pat Riley just don't want to be put in a situation where he needs at all cost CP3, It's the thunder who are in a tough position.
For now with Butler, we are not a contending team. Even with CP3, we will be missing one piece : Beal, this is why the CP3 is so important in many levels : we need draft picks to get him.
CP3 is the PG we need, he is an upgrade over Dragic in so many levels, if you are not convinced, just check any game of CP3 without Harden, tell me he is old and washed.
Seriously, do you really think Pat Riley will wait for 2021 free agency and wasting 2 years of Butler ?

[Hallstar]

We would be beyond foolish to take on Paul. I was against Westbrook, bit could see value in rolling the dice. CP3 is not a discussion worth having

[DayofMourning]

DayofMourning, one is 30 and the other is 34. Houston thought Westbrook was a better player obviously by trading CP3 while forking 2 first picks for Westbrook. What in God’s earth has so many here claiming that CP3 is the better fit when he had Harden, a better player than Butler as his Batman. Oh and a better team too.

Look I’m not going to get into it on this forum. It is my plain view of things and only me. Everyone else can share their vision, but I just don’t see it.

Now if CP3 gets here with 2 first picks, and it is used to acquire another star, I’m on board, but to just ride along the treadmill train and an old man getting us nowhere while killing any Whale hunt opportunity? No way Jose.

The Heat’s front office feels the same as they are not approaching CP3 with nearly the same energy they approached Westbrook. The writing is on the wall, right in front of our noses.

Seems like some context is being lost here. If we had traded for WB, then we likely would have parted with a prospect or two. If we trade for Paul then we can likely get one or two of our picks back. Are we comparing apples to apples? No.

Now, how do I FEEL about each player? WB is a selfish, narrow minded, high energy athlete. CB is a team player who affects your wins greatly. That's been listed in my previous posts, so I won't bother restating his all time great impact on team wins. I'd feel comfortable taking a gamble on CP for three years and seeing if he can make it to age 36 rather than giving up prospects for a guy who is starting to break down a bit (ask Thunder fans) and might not make it to the end of his contract healthy. So, if we're going to try and win as best we can, I'd rather go for the guy with the historically great track record. It's not like he's 50 years old with chronic health issues.

[Myam333]

So it begins

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I don't think he gets traded this year but next summer for sure. If the Wizards were smart they would trade him by this trade deadline to get max value for him.

[Bishop45]

2018-19 : Contested three pointers: defender within 2-4 feet (at least 1.5 FG3 contested attempts per game)

1. Covington 42.4% (1.7 FG3A)
2. PG 41.0% (1.8 FGA3)
3. Ellington 39.4% (2.0 FGA3)
4. Korver 38.9% (1.6 FGA3)
5. Steph 36.7% (2.1 FGA3)
6. Kemba 35.9% (2.3 FGA3)
7. Klay 35.8% (1.7 FGA3)
8. Redick 35.4% (1.7 FGA3)
9. Dion 34.7% (2.2 FGA3)
10. Dame 34.4% (1.9 FGA3)
11. T. Ross 32.6% (2.3 FGA3)
12. Harden 32.4% (5.8 FGA3)
13. D. Russell 30.7% (1.7 FGA3)
14. Durant 26.1% (1.5 FGA3)
15. Carmelo 20.0% (1.5 FGA3) - in 10 games played

They don't want to see it. Hope Winslow's on this list some point in his career

Durant's numbers meet the eye test, SHEESH at Harden

[The Bunk]

We would be beyond foolish to take on Paul. I was against Westbrook, bit could see value in rolling the dice. CP3 is not a discussion worth having

Meh. It's the third year that sucks. I'm okay with his contract over the next two years, and he undoubtedly makes us better. An underrated guarantee is that he would maximize Bam like he's done with every center he's played with. Same with Herro -- not many guys better at creating offense and finding shooters in spots.

We also have enough ball handlers to properly load manage, as Winslow can overtake PG duties full time as needed.

But yeah, that third year is the killer.

[DayofMourning]

2018-19 : Contested three pointers: defender within 2-4 feet (at least 1.5 FG3 contested attempts per game)

1. Covington 42.4% (1.7 FG3A)
2. PG 41.0% (1.8 FGA3)
3. Ellington 39.4% (2.0 FGA3)
4. Korver 38.9% (1.6 FGA3)
5. Steph 36.7% (2.1 FGA3)
6. Kemba 35.9% (2.3 FGA3)
7. Klay 35.8% (1.7 FGA3)
8. Redick 35.4% (1.7 FGA3)
9. Dion 34.7% (2.2 FGA3)
10. Dame 34.4% (1.9 FGA3)
11. T. Ross 32.6% (2.3 FGA3)
12. Harden 32.4% (5.8 FGA3)
13. D. Russell 30.7% (1.7 FGA3)
14. Durant 26.1% (1.5 FGA3)
15. Carmelo 20.0% (1.5 FGA3) - in 10 games played

They don't want to see it. Hope Winslow's on this list some point in his career

Durant's numbers meet the eye test, SHEESH at Harden

Saw PG was well ahead of Harden there too. Don't know how that's possible. Maybe I should change my optics?

[MiamiLoyal926]

DayofMourning, one is 30 and the other is 34. Houston thought Westbrook was a better player obviously by trading CP3 while forking 2 first picks for Westbrook. What in God’s earth has so many here claiming that CP3 is the better fit when he had Harden, a better player than Butler as his Batman. Oh and a better team too.

Look I’m not going to get into it on this forum. It is my plain view of things and only me. Everyone else can share their vision, but I just don’t see it.

Now if CP3 gets here with 2 first picks, and it is used to acquire another star, I’m on board, but to just ride along the treadmill train and an old man getting us nowhere while killing any Whale hunt opportunity? No way Jose.

The Heat’s front office feels the same as they are not approaching CP3 with nearly the same energy they approached Westbrook. The writing is on the wall, right in front of our noses.

Seems like some context is being lost here. If we had traded for WB, then we likely would have parted with a prospect or two. If we trade for Paul then we can likely get one or two of our picks back. Are we comparing apples to apples? No.

Now, how do I FEEL about each player? WB is a selfish, narrow minded, high energy athlete. CB is a team player who affects your wins greatly. That's been listed in my previous posts, so I won't bother restating his all time great impact on team wins. I'd feel comfortable taking a gamble on CP for three years and seeing if he can make it to age 36 rather than giving up prospects for a guy who is starting to break down a bit (ask Thunder fans) and might not make it to the end of his contract healthy. So, if we're going to try and win as best we can, I'd rather go for the guy with the historically great track record. It's not like he's 50 years old with chronic health issues.

Bingo! Westbrook and further emptying the cupboard to get him is not the same as CP3 while restocking the cupboard. One scenario would have been the end of our ability and maneuver for another star, while the other gives us more maneuverability to go after the star we want in Beal. To boot, one will make our young players look like better assets while the other would cast a shadow over them as he took over 20 shots a game and overly dominated the basketball.

When considering all moving parts, I like CP3 with our 2 picks back and all our youth still here better than Westbrook with one or two of our young bucks gone and still in the same hole in regards to draft picks.

[MiamiLoyal926]

So it begins

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I don't think he gets traded this year but next summer for sure. If the Wizards were smart they would trade him by this trade deadline to get max value for him.

And this is why getting our 2 draft picks is essential for future moves like Beal. Getting our 2 picks back opens up all our future picks for trade!

[HeatIn5]

So the question is would you rather have future cap and less picks, or no cap and more picks.

[DayofMourning]

Was just going to go play in spotrac to see what our cap outlook would be with possible Bam extensions and other ish when I stumbled across this moldering turd of a tweet.

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We ain't trading Bam and Winslow for CP3 you dumb phuck.

[DayofMourning]

This is interesting though.

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[Wiltside]

Was just going to go play in spotrac to see what our cap outlook would be with possible Bam extensions and other ish when I stumbled across this moldering turd of a tweet.

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We ain't trading Bam and Winslow for CP3 you dumb phuck.

LOL I'd fly the 20hrs to Florida and burn the Triple A down myself if we did that.

Twitter is so bad sometimes. Most of the time, really. Woy fut.

[HeatIn5]

Was just going to go play in spotrac to see what our cap outlook would be with possible Bam extensions and other ish when I stumbled across this moldering turd of a tweet.

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We ain't trading Bam and Winslow for CP3 you dumb phuck.

That would be the worst trade in the history of anything ever all time.

[DayofMourning]

LOL I'd fly the 20hrs to Florida and burn the Triple A down myself if we did that.

Twitter is so bad sometimes. Most of the time, really. Woy fut.

Bad thing is spotrac is a site I respect. Can't trust anybody these days. Bunch of dummies.