2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread

AingesBurner · Post #601 » by **AingesBurner** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:05 pm

Howard isn’t ranked top 100 in the Euroleague and Goss is so let’s see how this pans out, I wonder why we went after Goss and not Jaycee Carroll, he’s considered top 30 in Euroleague and would be the perfect Korver replacement.

Post #602 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:11 pm

KqWIN wrote:^^^ Looks like we're going DEEP into the bargain bin

The numbers look bad for Howard...but also very good for Goss. Hopefully one of them will pan out.

It's like the Jazz are playing 'Duck, Duck, Goss.'

I'll let myself out.

stitches · Post #603 » by **stitches** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:13 pm

GobertReport wrote:Howard isn’t ranked top 100 in the Euroleague and Goss is so let’s see how this pans out, I wonder why we went after Goss and not Jaycee Carroll, he’s considered top 30 in Euroleague and would be the perfect Korver replacement.

Where do you find those rankings?

stitches · Post #604 » by **stitches** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:57 pm

According to this, the Jazz have signed Oni to a contract:
https://sportando.basketball/en/utah-jazz-sign-miye-oni-to-contract/

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AingesBurner · Post #605 » by **AingesBurner** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:59 pm

stitches wrote:
GobertReport wrote:Howard isn’t ranked top 100 in the Euroleague and Goss is so let’s see how this pans out, I wonder why we went after Goss and not Jaycee Carroll, he’s considered top 30 in Euroleague and would be the perfect Korver replacement.

Where do you find those rankings?

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/top-lists/751316/euroleague-top-100-players-of-2018-2019-1-10/

stitches · Post #606 » by **stitches** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:08 pm

GobertReport wrote:
stitches wrote:
GobertReport wrote:Howard isn’t ranked top 100 in the Euroleague and Goss is so let’s see how this pans out, I wonder why we went after Goss and not Jaycee Carroll, he’s considered top 30 in Euroleague and would be the perfect Korver replacement.

Where do you find those rankings?

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/top-lists/751316/euroleague-top-100-players-of-2018-2019-1-10/

Thanks.

stitches · Post #607 » by **stitches** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:10 pm

Take with a pinch of salt since this is nowhere near 100% reliable but a French user on reddit is saying Howard's contract is 1 year and it's not guaranteed. If this is correct, Howard is very far from certain to stick. He probably will fight for a roster spot in pre-season training camp.

stitches · Post #608 » by **stitches** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:18 pm

Oni signing official now:

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KqWIN · Post #609 » by **KqWIN** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:21 pm

They chose Oni over Brantley....WTF????

stitches · Post #610 » by **stitches** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:27 pm

KqWIN wrote:They chose Oni over Brantley....WTF????

Oni has clearcut 3 and D skills with potential for becoming a good passer. I don't mind him. It's a bit weird that they haven't signed Brantley though. IMO him and Howard will fight it out in camp for the last roster spot.

KqWIN · Post #611 » by **KqWIN** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:31 pm

stitches wrote:
KqWIN wrote:They chose Oni over Brantley....WTF????

Oni has clearcut 3 and D skills with potential for becoming a good passer. I don't mind him. It's a bit weird that they haven't signed Brantley though. IMO him and Howard will fight it out in camp for the last roster spot.

Eh...there's plenty of guys in that 6'6 3&D mold. He didn't show anything spectacular in either aspect IMO. That's the player he can be and needs to be, but he didn't really show anything special that made me believe he's going to get there versus the hundred other 3&D prospects.

He was a perfect two-way guy imo. See how his shooting is over a year and then re-evaluate.

Brantley had some special talent and skills imo. Odds are it won't amount to anything, but what he showed at his size was certainly unique. That's the player I'd want to sign to a 3 or 4 year Hinkie special.

Hopefully we can at least get him on a two-way or he beats Howard out. It'd be really stupid to trade a future second and cash for a guy and then not give him a chance because he had a tight hammy in SL.

stitches · Post #612 » by **stitches** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:33 pm

KqWIN wrote:
stitches wrote:
KqWIN wrote:They chose Oni over Brantley....WTF????

Oni has clearcut 3 and D skills with potential for becoming a good passer. I don't mind him. It's a bit weird that they haven't signed Brantley though. IMO him and Howard will fight it out in camp for the last roster spot.

Eh...there's plenty of guys in that 6'6 3&D mold. He didn't show anything spectacular in either aspect IMO. That's the player he can be and needs to be, but he didn't really show anything special that made me believe he's going to get there versus the hundred other 3&D prospects.

He was a perfect two-way guy imo. See how his shooting is over a year and then re-evaluate.

Brantley had some special talent and skills imo. Odds are it won't amount to anything, but what he showed at his size was certainly unique. That's the player I'd want to sign to a 3 or 4 year Hinkie special.

Hopefully we can at least get him on a two-way or he beats Howard out. It'd be really stupid to trade a future second and cash for a guy and then not give him a chance because he had a tight hammy in SL.

It also might have something to do with Oni and Brantley's willingness to go the 2-way/stash route. For example if they know Brantley is willing to go the 2 way route and Oni isn't, and they know they want to keep the rights to both, signing Oni makes sense, while leaving Brantley as a camp-cut-down date decision would keep his rights to the Jazz either way.

KqWIN · Post #613 » by **KqWIN** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:34 pm

stitches wrote:
KqWIN wrote:
stitches wrote:Oni has clearcut 3 and D skills with potential for becoming a good passer. I don't mind him. It's a bit weird that they haven't signed Brantley though. IMO him and Howard will fight it out in camp for the last roster spot.

Eh...there's plenty of guys in that 6'6 3&D mold. He didn't show anything spectacular in either aspect IMO. That's the player he can be and needs to be, but he didn't really show anything special that made me believe he's going to get there versus the hundred other 3&D prospects.

He was a perfect two-way guy imo. See how his shooting is over a year and then re-evaluate.

Brantley had some special talent and skills imo. Odds are it won't amount to anything, but what he showed at his size was certainly unique. That's the player I'd want to sign to a 3 or 4 year Hinkie special.

Hopefully we can at least get him on a two-way or he beats Howard out. It'd be really stupid to trade a future second and cash for a guy and then not give him a chance because he had a tight hammy in SL.

It also might have something to do with Oni and Brantley's willingness to go the 2-way/stash route. For example if they know Brantley is willing to go the 2 way route and Oni isn't, and they know they want to keep the rights to both, signing Oni makes sense, while leaving Brantley as a camp-cut-down date decision would keep his rights to the Jazz.

That makes sense...otherwise it just seems really weird to make this decision before camp. It's still weird that they made this decision so early anyways. Oni must be really good in practice because he wasn't anything amazing in the games.

stitches · Post #614 » by **stitches** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:37 pm

KqWIN wrote:
That makes sense...otherwise it just seems really weird to make this decision before camp. It's still weird that they made this decision so early anyways. Oni must be really good in practice because he wasn't anything amazing in the games.

It seems like for players drafted at the end of the second a lot of those things are negotiated/understood at the time of the draft. That's why certain players that are better than the ones picked are left undrafted - because their agents tell teams we won't do 2-way, we won't do stash... don't pick us. Or others are happy being selected and getting a chance/investment by the team and are willing to stick even if it means playing in the G-league for a year.

babyjax13 · Post #615 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:56 pm

Well, we've apparently offered 3 players contracts with only 1 roster spot and 2 2-way spots. I'm curious to see who is where and if we have some kind of move in place. My feeling is that Goss is on the roster, and Oni signed a 2-way contract & that Brantley/Howard will fight for the last two-way spot. But who knows?

SoCalJazzFan · Post #616 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:48 pm

I could see Oni on a 2-way, but Oni over Brantley for a roster spot is a head scratcher.

babyjax13 · Post #617 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:07 pm

I'm watching Bog games on league pass to get a better feel for where he is as a player. Just watched one against Milwaukee, main points thus far (we will see if they stick after watching more:
1) He scores quite a bit off of very few opportunities (compared to other players), he is great at moving the ball and exploits advantages the offense is designed to give
2) defensively his foot speed isn't ideal, and players do turn the corner on him, but he is good at making sure that when they do they are being funneled into another defender
3) highly competitive, he fights on every play and he's always scanning the floor

He was matched up with Middleton most of the night, occasionally switched onto Brogdon or Ilyasova (was mostly off the floor when Snell was on). Looked more impactful offensively than Middleton, but took less possessions. Middleton is a better two-way player, but I think Bogs acquits himself pretty well in that matchup. Brogdon blew by him a few times, but he did a good job making sure he wasn't getting a free run at the rim.

stitches · Post #618 » by **stitches** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:18 am

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Post #619 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:01 am

That's a good contract structure and number. Those are the kind of deals I like to see the Jazz take with prospects. It worked with Royce too.

vryadli · Post #620 » by **vryadli** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:52 pm

babyjax13 wrote:I'm watching Bog games on league pass to get a better feel for where he is as a player. Just watched one against Milwaukee, main points thus far (we will see if they stick after watching more:
1) He scores quite a bit off of very few opportunities (compared to other players), he is great at moving the ball and exploits advantages the offense is designed to give
2) defensively his foot speed isn't ideal, and players do turn the corner on him, but he is good at making sure that when they do they are being funneled into another defender
3) highly competitive, he fights on every play and he's always scanning the floor

He was matched up with Middleton most of the night, occasionally switched onto Brogdon or Ilyasova (was mostly off the floor when Snell was on). Looked more impactful offensively than Middleton, but took less possessions. Middleton is a better two-way player, but I think Bogs acquits himself pretty well in that matchup. Brogdon blew by him a few times, but he did a good job making sure he wasn't getting a free run at the rim.

Thanks for valuable observations!